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Deus Ex Macklemore
Jul 2, 2004


Zelensky's Zealots

EvilJoven posted:

Article 5 time?

Mambo #5 time

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The Bananana
May 21, 2008

This is a metaphor, a Christian allegory. The fact that I have to explain to you that Jesus is the Warthog, and the Banana is drepanocytosis is just embarrassing for you.



Oi, so was it a Russian missle, or a ukie?

Deteriorata
Feb 6, 2005

The Bananana posted:

Oi, so was it a Russian missle, or a ukie?

unknown at this time

shadow puppet of a
Jan 10, 2007

NO TENGO SCORPIO


Party Ape posted:

the impact of vranyo

Are you also the moulage guy?

Mokotow
Apr 16, 2012

https://twitter.com/tygodniknie/status/1592611992300584961?s=46&t=QKeNNnrrNoCDj0kcWOiNQQ

:hmmyes:

Party Ape
Mar 5, 2007
Don't pay $10 bucks to change my avatar! Send me a $10 donation to Doctors with Borders and I'll stop posting for 24 hours!

shadow puppet of a posted:

Are you also the moulage guy?

No I just don't know any conversational Russian and didn't want to risk mistranslating it. Plus also it's a good way to lure people into watching the video (watch the video).

Jonny Nox
Apr 26, 2008




Poland’s National Security Bureau are meeting this evening. Not much to speculate on before then.

The question isn’t if they were fired from Russia, it’s what is Poland going to do about it and can they convince NATO to join in.

Party Ape
Mar 5, 2007
Don't pay $10 bucks to change my avatar! Send me a $10 donation to Doctors with Borders and I'll stop posting for 24 hours!

The Bananana posted:

Oi, so was it a Russian missle, or a ukie?

Does the concept of felony murder apply to international diplomacy? I'm excited to find out.

KitConstantine
Jan 11, 2013

RT head still going off on Twitter
https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1592614508442578945?s=20&t=2wsFRB42QSfTc5zR7jSRTA
Note that Hungary and Moldova are also having emergency meetings - their own power infrastructure was affected by the strikes in Ukraine

Powerstation near pipeline that services Hungary was hit
https://twitter.com/Liveuamap/status/1592601959965822977?s=20&t=DkHBCnDOt58m5DfN4CkIUw
https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1592609947552215040?s=20&t=DkHBCnDOt58m5DfN4CkIUw
Moldova experiencing power outages
https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1592568126285438980?s=20&t=DkHBCnDOt58m5DfN4CkIUw
So this spillover into Poland isn't the only collateral damage from today

KitConstantine fucked around with this message at 21:36 on Nov 15, 2022

KitConstantine
Jan 11, 2013

Jonny Nox posted:

Poland’s National Security Bureau are meeting this evening. Not much to speculate on before then.

The question isn’t if they were fired from Russia, it’s what is Poland going to do about it and can they convince NATO to join in.

They're meeting right now and have been in meetings for the last 3 hours - it's been 'this evening' in eastern europe for some time

Oldsmobile
Jun 13, 2006

Criss-cross posted:

True enough, but anyone calling themselves "OSINT specialist" doesn't seem trustworthy at all.

All they need is 8bux to remedy that!

Ok, so the tail section shown in a picture, assuming it's even from the location, does seem to suggest a bonafide cruise missile.

Cruise missiles can go off course and are being shot in the area.

At this point I'm completely open to the idea of Russia (or someone in Russia) shooting missiles at Poland just to get a reaction. I mean, they hosed up those gas pipes, didn't they?

E: Wow, RT is off da railz on this one, wtffff

DandyLion
Jun 24, 2010
disrespectul Deciever

Oldsmobile posted:

All they need is 8bux to remedy that!

Ok, so the tail section shown in a picture, assuming it's even from the location, does seem to suggest a bonafide cruise missile.

Cruise missiles can go off course and are being shot in the area.

At this point I'm completely open to the idea of Russia (or someone in Russia) shooting missiles at Poland just to get a reaction. I mean, they hosed up those gas pipes, didn't they?

E: Wow, RT is off da railz on this one, wtffff

Occam suggests its simply the russians are just that poor at aiming

Kchama
Jul 25, 2007
RT making it super clear that it was Russian missiles lol

Terminally Bored
Oct 31, 2011

Twenty-five dollars and a six pack to my name
Margarita Simonyan is such a loving ghoul

beer_war
Mar 10, 2005

The Bananana posted:

Oi, so was it a Russian missle, or a ukie?

Yes.

Mistle
Oct 11, 2005

Eckot's comic relief cousin from out of town
Grimey Drawer

SavageGentleman posted:

The PL government has been itching for a while to actively kick Russia's rear end, so let's see how far they are willing to go in their reaction. I doubt they'll go full article 5, but who knows, maybe they will establish a limited protection/no fly zone close to their border or even send in some volunter corps over - which happen to be basically PL army units with different unit patches?

Poland might establish a NATO no-fly large enough to cover Kyiv, and free up resources in the west to deploy to the east, is my guess.

KitConstantine posted:

Not lol at all Power Khan!!!

Note there's a Ukrainian water treatment plant essentially due East of the city in Poland that was hit - just north of Sokal in Lviv Oblast. And Russia was demonstrably targeting infrastructure today :shrug:

They forgot to account for flight time and Earth's rotation or something? :psyduck: I'd ask what the missile guys are doing, but the answer is "being deployed to the front line."

rolleyes
Nov 16, 2006

Sometimes you have to roll the hard... two?

Bit rich coming from a country that can't defend obvious military targets like, say, the only bridge to Crimea.

birdstrike
Oct 30, 2008

i;m gay
east prussian restoration let’s go!!!

Pot Smoke Phoenix
Aug 15, 2007



Smoke 'em if you gottem!
Dinosaur Gum

rolleyes posted:

Bit rich coming from a country that can't defend obvious military targets like, say, the only bridge to Crimea.

Russian warship. ALSO: Snake Island :lol:

Gros Tarla
Dec 30, 2008

Does it even matter who fired them?

Either it's from Russia invading Poland's neighbour that hosed up with aiming and ended up killing two polish citizens, or its from Ukraine trying to shoot down missiles targeting its civilians that were shot by the country invading Poland's neighbour.

From Poland's perspective, the sole reason these missiles killed two of its citizens is because Russia is invading Poland's neighbour.

Tarquinn
Jul 3, 2007

I know I’ve made some very poor decisions recently, but I can give you
my complete assurance that my work will be back to normal.
Hell Gem

Gros Tarla posted:

Does it even matter who fired them?

Either it's from Russia invading Poland's neighbour that hosed up with aiming and ended up killing two polish citizens, or its from Ukraine trying to shoot down missiles targeting its civilians that were shot by the country invading Poland's neighbour.

From Poland's perspective, the sole reason this missile killed two of its citizens is because Russia is invading Poland's neighbour.

Well, it matters insofar as it can be or is perceived as an attack on a NATO country. An Ukrainian accident does not qualify.

Tunicate
May 15, 2012

It matters a lot.

My Spirit Otter
Jun 15, 2006


CANADA DOESN'T GET PENS LIKE THIS

SKILCRAFT KREW Reppin' Quality Blind Made American Products. Bitch.

Terminally Bored posted:

This landed ~50km from my parents in law. My wife is really nervous rn. Don't know what to think of it all.

Probably an outlier and if russia were competent, they would be ensuring it doesnt happen again at all costs. I wouldnt worry about it too much

Party Ape
Mar 5, 2007
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Tunicate posted:

It matters a lot.

I think the distinction might be lost on the folks in Poland.

DandyLion
Jun 24, 2010
disrespectul Deciever

My Spirit Otter posted:

... if russia were competent...

uh oh

Pot Smoke Phoenix
Aug 15, 2007



Smoke 'em if you gottem!
Dinosaur Gum

Tunicate posted:

It matters a lot.

Have an earworm, thread!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQhX8PbNUWI

My Spirit Otter
Jun 15, 2006


CANADA DOESN'T GET PENS LIKE THIS

SKILCRAFT KREW Reppin' Quality Blind Made American Products. Bitch.

Gros Tarla posted:

Does it even matter who fired them?

Either it's from Russia invading Poland's neighbour that hosed up with aiming and ended up killing two polish citizens, or its from Ukraine trying to shoot down missiles targeting its civilians that were shot by the country invading Poland's neighbour.

From Poland's perspective, the sole reason these missiles killed two of its citizens is because Russia is invading Poland's neighbour.

The only thing who fired it will affect is how severe the reprecussions are. Poland/Ukrainian relations arent to the point where Poland will attack over it, nor are they likely to sanction or take other administrative measures. An apology and reparations to the families will likely suffice. On the other hand, if it were russia, we're likely to see a response short of declaring war.

My Spirit Otter
Jun 15, 2006


CANADA DOESN'T GET PENS LIKE THIS

SKILCRAFT KREW Reppin' Quality Blind Made American Products. Bitch.

Normally yea, but i think this incident is serious enough that it will likely cause a little more caution on the russian end. Who knows what those cautions will look like, however.

Oscar Wilde Bunch
Jun 12, 2012

Grimey Drawer
2 questions. 1. Even though we're attributing motors to models, aren't we also in the phase where Russia is just slapping whatever the gently caress they have on hand to fabricobble missiles together? 2. I assume that somewhere there are radar tracks in some system that show where they came from right?

Also lol on Hungary, all the buddying up to Putin doesn't seem to do you much good does it. Also lol on Putin, blow up a pipeline of the one Eurozone leader that's in your corner.

My Spirit Otter
Jun 15, 2006


CANADA DOESN'T GET PENS LIKE THIS

SKILCRAFT KREW Reppin' Quality Blind Made American Products. Bitch.
https://twitter.com/RTENewsPaulC/status/1592597761861771264?s=20&t=aDr4cRG3xJjeatS20n9-Hg

Outrail
Jan 4, 2009

www.sapphicrobotica.com
:roboluv: :love: :roboluv:

If that's the case, it'll be interesting to see how blame is judged.

My Spirit Otter
Jun 15, 2006


CANADA DOESN'T GET PENS LIKE THIS

SKILCRAFT KREW Reppin' Quality Blind Made American Products. Bitch.

Outrail posted:

If that's the case, it'll be interesting to see how blame is judged.

It all falls back on the russians, they are the ones who made the missiles available to shoot down.

Youth Decay
Aug 18, 2015

Outrail posted:

If that's the case, it'll be interesting to see how blame is judged.

The rocket is Russian. It's not Ukraine's fault that Russia can't keep enough control of their own weapons to avoid NATO countries.

Party Ape
Mar 5, 2007
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Youth Decay posted:

The rocket is Russian. It's not Ukraine's fault that Russia can't keep enough control of their own weapons to avoid NATO countries.

Yeah, I don't think anyone except the Russia media is disputing how blame will be judged here.

WAR CRIME GIGOLO
Oct 3, 2012

The Hague
tryna get me
for these glutes

Russia suffering a huge defeat and then escalating to three cou tried is the most Russian empire thing to do.

Mokotow
Apr 16, 2012

Article 4 called - consultations

mmkay
Oct 21, 2010

Polish PM and president went out - didn't say if it was a Russian missile or not, increasing readiness of some military units, maybe article 4 (as in, they're thinking if it will be maybe invoked, not that it was invoked)?

EDIT: Or what he said ^^

Toxic Mental
Jun 1, 2019

Russia launching missiles like

EorayMel
May 30, 2015

WE GET IT. YOU LOVE GUN JESUS. Toujours des fusils Bullpup Français.
I'm trying to think about one single way Russia could possibly attempt to reclaim any advantage that isn't antagonizing farmers and children while threatening to drop nukes on everybody, but I keep coming up blank even for a joke

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Booty Pageant
Apr 20, 2012
it's... happening???

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