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DLC Inc posted:actually managed to max out Akechi's confidant level before end of November!... It's actually kind of a shame, because I'm also a dum-dum who didn't realize Akechi was a villain in Vanilla and was genuinely surprised at the reveal (this is apparently uncommon and I'm happy to see someone else who was also surprised). The in medias res opening helps somewhat with tricking me, because I assumed the game would continue to follow the "new party member each arc" pattern and that he was going to be one (and I had avoided all pre-release material and discussion and knew literally nothing, despite first playing the game a couple years after it was released). But it seems pretty impossible to not realize it in Royal, unless you ignore that Confidant entirely. I actually generally like what they did in the extra Royal content, since they don't go hard on trying to "redeem" Akechi and he basically stays the same guy. edit: I think I may have also suspected Mishima, just out of the absence of alternative options, but I can't remember for sure.
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Ytlaya posted:It's actually kind of a shame, because I'm also a dum-dum who didn't realize Akechi was a villain in Vanilla and was genuinely surprised at the reveal (this is apparently uncommon and I'm happy to see someone else who was also surprised). The in medias res opening helps somewhat with tricking me, because I assumed the game would continue to follow the "new party member each arc" pattern and that he was going to be one (and I had avoided all pre-release material and discussion and knew literally nothing, despite first playing the game a couple years after it was released). But it seems pretty impossible to not realize it in Royal, unless you ignore that Confidant entirely. On my first playthrough I accidentally skipped over the pancake line from Akechi at the TV studio, so I also got surprised with his betrayal. I did think it was weird that his whole joining circumstances were kind of a rehash of Makoto's, but oh well! 
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Re: the Royal additions Did anyone think there should have been more focus on Haru and Futaba having a hard time working with their parents' murderer? I know it comes up in safe room conversations, but it still felt way too easy for me, and borderline handwaved away given how hard they beat a dead horse reiterating a bunch of other poo poo throughout the game. Especially when you add in the fact that he's one of the earliest/strongest proponents for going back to the reality where they're dead!
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Dr Kool-AIDS posted:Re: the Royal additions Did anyone think there should have been more focus on Haru and Futaba having a hard time working with their parents' murderer? I know it comes up in safe room conversations, but it still felt way too easy for me, and borderline handwaved away given how hard they beat a dead horse reiterating a bunch of other poo poo throughout the game. Especially when you add in the fact that he's one of the earliest/strongest proponents for going back to the reality where they're dead! They both are quite aware that he was a tool being used and was a hosed up dude. Also as far as they are aware if they go back to reality he's going to be in jail.
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Dr Kool-AIDS posted:Re: the Royal additions Did anyone think there should have been more focus on Haru and Futaba having a hard time working with their parents' murderer? I know it comes up in safe room conversations, but it still felt way too easy for me, and borderline handwaved away given how hard they beat a dead horse reiterating a bunch of other poo poo throughout the game. Especially when you add in the fact that he's one of the earliest/strongest proponents for going back to the reality where they're dead! In the main story I’m sure they were fine with it because the end result was him on the butt of their trap. In the third semester I don’t think they would have had the capacity to understand that Akechi was the person who killed them? I don’t remember the exact metaphysics of that alternate world but I think they make the decision with nothing more than “this isn’t reality and I trust Joker, we need to go back”. After that the existential threat of Maruki outweighed teaming up with Akechi. or they know that joker thinks he’s dreamy and are also AkeShu shippers.
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Drawing a blank… When does Crow admit that he killed Futabas mom?
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DC Murderverse posted:In the main story I’m sure they were fine with it because the end result was him on the butt of their trap. In the third semester I don’t think they would have had the capacity to understand that Akechi was the person who killed them? I don’t remember the exact metaphysics of that alternate world but I think they make the decision with nothing more than “this isn’t reality and I trust Joker, we need to go back”. After that the existential threat of Maruki outweighed teaming up with Akechi. There's some optional safe room dialogue in Maruki's palace where it comes up, so they're well aware at that point at least, but yeah they decide to focus on the job over that. It just feels kind of insane that they can compartmentalize that easily and that the discomfort with it is mostly stashed away in optional dialogue. I think you nailed the real reason here though, which is that the writers knew a lot of fans were shippers and didn't want to have his presence be any more unpleasant than it had to be by rubbing it in the face of players that he murdered the parents of other major characters and they were having a crisis about it or something. I guess the third semester being probably a bit too truncated in general probably contributes too though. Spiffster posted:Drawing a blank… When does Crow admit that he killed Futabas mom? I don't think it's made explicit, but it's hard to imagine what else the explanation could be, and she has dialogue suggesting she believes it to be true. He's responsible for all the other shutdowns, so having another mystery guy in the backstory who did it would be super unsatisfying. He did it.
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Akechi's briefcase always contains but a single piece of paper which reads "I KILLED YOUR MOM, FUTABA"
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Nov 17, 2022 04:29
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When the guy says "you lost the game" and I'm like mf-er I forgot that poo poo for 15 years.
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Scrap Dragon posted:On my first playthrough I accidentally skipped over the pancake line from Akechi at the TV studio, so I also got surprised with his betrayal. I did think it was weird that his whole joining circumstances were kind of a rehash of Makoto's, but oh well! I always thought Akechi was the villain. But it still surprised me when he cold bloodedly shot me in the head. And that twist comes even harder in Royal where you know Akechi so much better. There's a huge difference between "he sold me out" and "he looked me in the eye and shot me".
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Nov 17, 2022 05:50
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HootTheOwl posted:I have this theory that Futaba was supposed to be younger, but then they wanted more romance so she got aged up. If you put her lines on a literal child it makes more sense. Wouldn't the first time Persona let's you romance 10 year old
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Scrap Dragon posted:On my first playthrough I accidentally skipped over the pancake line from Akechi at the TV studio, so I also got surprised with his betrayal. I did think it was weird that his whole joining circumstances were kind of a rehash of Makoto's, but oh well! I thought it was just an error and that I skipped over it because I was left wondering if someone else said it too.
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finished the casino and just lol at this huge convoluted explanation of what ensues, especially at how "pancakes" was the loving lynchpin of this entire operation. it is pretty weird at how the game essentially "tricks" you, the player, even as you're playing from Joker's perspective, but act like you don't know what's about to transpire in terms of the secret plans, all of which are peak anime Rube Goldberg. I have many stupid questions but mainly am curious about Akechi being this guy with "powers" before meeting Shido. Do they go into detail how he even came across this poo poo or am I misunderstanding things? Also, was his story about his dad a lie to make a "backstory" for himself or is that really what hosed him up into Rorschach territory? His motivations seem so cartoonishly evil and I wasn't expecting him to be quite so psychotic--I only expected him to turn me in just to prove he was the better rival or something, out of pride. Also, in regards to the Metaverse app, is it ever explained why Igor and the app are on "my side" but they aren't on Akechi's? It seems odd that there's a sub-division of this weird guy helping me within this other dimension. I forgot how this is broached in P4 (mostly because it seemed less high stakes to me) but it is a curious thing that this other world is legit something that was discovered by researchers, yet Igor has a supernatural presence in it..
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Nov 17, 2022 17:59
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for all of persona 5's issues those things actually do get explained to some extent "later"
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Feels Villeneuve posted:for all of persona 5's issues those things actually do get explained to some extent "later" cool, thanks! I was playing on Hard for the most part but turned it down to Normal temporarily after realizing Hard is perhaps even harder than Merciless due to how the crits work---the Burger man boss was loving impossible with how little damage I could do to those robots in 2 turns. Had to do it again when the Casino boss' desperation Berserker attack one shot me EVERY time. I just got too frustrated and honestly after 65+ hrs idc about grinding anymore, going to leave it at Normal. It feels a bit like a failure but I read that Merciless somehow would have made some things easier, idk how true it is but at this rate I'm ready to finish off the game.
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Nov 17, 2022 18:13
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In Merciless critical hits/hitting weakness/technicals etc do big big big damage so one you have a handle on the game mechanics its one of the easiest difficulties.
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It’s taking a system that rewards those who know it well and punishes those who don’t and amplifies it. It’s SMT gameplay in its purest form to be honest
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Nov 17, 2022 19:03
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What references to the pre-PS2 Personas do the new crop of Personas have? They have plenty of references among themselves, but off the top of my head I can’t think of any to the older ones.
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Rinkles posted:What references to the pre-PS2 Personas do the new crop of Personas have? They have plenty of references among themselves, but off the top of my head I can’t think of any to the older ones. Biggest one is the Hermit Social Link in P3, which references various P2 elements.
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Most of them are in P3. The entire Hermit link and references to the Nanjo Group, IIRC
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I think I didn’t get deep into that SL.
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That link only references Innocent Sin in localisation though. Other than that it's mostly random things on tv.
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Yeah the TV news reports in P3 reference various P1 and P2 characters.
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Tanaka is a constant
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Can you not look up your social link progress or even Personas outside Tartarus in P3? I loaded up my ancient P3P save (MC name reminded me of what book I was reading at the time) to remind myself of what SLs I was pursuing but I don’t see a way to check anything.
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It's definitely in the pause menu?
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Arist posted:It's definitely in the pause menu? Hmm, the pause menu takes me to the system menu immediately. Maybe because this was made right before the end? But the regular menu works in an older save. I did more social linking than I remembered. I maxed out the whole team, with the exception of Fuuka (level 1 😬). “Maya” the hermit is at level 7.
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Rinkles posted:What references to the pre-PS2 Personas do the new crop of Personas have? They have plenty of references among themselves, but off the top of my head I can’t think of any to the older ones. They prefer to be more meta-references to P1/P2 stuff, like Makoto and Sae's relationship being a take on Tatsuya and Katsuya's relationship and Futaba getting Prometheus as her upgraded Persona like fellow hacker Baofu did.
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Rinkles posted:Hmm, the pause menu takes me to the system menu immediately. Maybe because this was made right before the end? I don't think you can access the regular pause menu after the final boss, no.
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Finished the game with 13 hours to spare before I go get the new Pokemon. I think I missed Akechis special item because the game didn't show a card and I wasn't about to turn over all of Tokyo
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HootTheOwl posted:Finished the game with 13 hours to spare before I go get the new Pokemon. It's at the Jazz club.
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HootTheOwl posted:Finished the game with 13 hours to spare before I go get the new Pokemon. What are special items in this case? Don't think I got it for any character?
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Artelier posted:What are special items in this case? Don't think I got it for any character? At the end of the game you can go around visiting your confidants, and they'll give you items that provide related benefits in NG+ and speed up confidant levelling (I think the latter, I know the former). Off the top of my head Sojiro is you can make the best curry/coffee from the start for example.
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Lord_Magmar posted:At the end of the game you can go around visiting your confidants, and they'll give you items that provide related benefits in NG+ and speed up confidant levelling (I think the latter, I know the former). Off the top of my head Sojiro is you can make the best curry/coffee from the start for example. Mishima's special item makes ALL his confidant perks available in NG+, which hilariously makes him useless as a confidant at that point.
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Lord_Magmar posted:At the end of the game you can go around visiting your confidants, and they'll give you items that provide related benefits in NG+ and speed up confidant levelling (I think the latter, I know the former). Off the top of my head Sojiro is you can make the best curry/coffee from the start for example. Ohhh if you mean the one you get in the epilogue when you're visiting your friends around the city then I got it, thanks!
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HootTheOwl posted:Finished the game with 13 hours to spare before I go get the new Pokemon. You get it from visiting the Jazz club on the last day, the owner gives it to you.
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In Futaba palace on my PC P5R playthrough now. One thing I've noticed on Merciless (which very strongly discourages you from trying to just kill enemies with regular attacks) is that status effects seem to almost always work, at least with the regular single-target spells. A lot of the time, it seems like a good strategy is to figure out when the enemy's turn is and just apply the status effect immediately before it (though this can be tricky since I don't think there are many good ways to control turn order). I also got Ziodyne/Freidyne access through a failed alarm fusion!
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I’m getting really annoyed about persona dropping its connection to the network on switch. I can understand going into sleep mode, but it seems to do it randomly as well for no real reason. Anyone else having issues?
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Spiffster posted:I’m getting really annoyed about persona dropping its connection to the network on switch. I can understand going into sleep mode, but it seems to do it randomly as well for no real reason. Anyone else having issues? Happens to me on pc.
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I had a lot of problems, including crashes, when I used the network features on game pass, so I played most of the game without it.
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