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wait, are you telling me the new scooby-doo has no scooby-doo
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I assume the new Shaggy is gonna pull out a joint and be like "this is my *wink* Scooby Doobie"
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Jan 12, 2023 23:37
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Last episode reveals that the entire series is just a shared
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Jan 12, 2023 23:41
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https://twitter.com/exalted_speed/status/1613705681273585664 https://twitter.com/comiclovermari/status/1613556481206669313
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Jan 13, 2023 03:09
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Are people online actually mad that the dog isn’t in Velma? Because I’m reasonably certain he’ll get written in at some point. Also that’s like, the least of the show’s issues.
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Jan 13, 2023 03:17
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Since the majority of people seem cool with just using this thread, mods can you change the title to: Animation Thread 2023: HBO Lacks It seems appropriate with the whole Velma thing. I'll change the OP to fit 2023.
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Jan 13, 2023 04:23
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I think the weird thing about the new scooby doo is that scooby doo is not a character. I am otherwise neutral. E: beaten twice by a lot lol
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Jan 13, 2023 05:08
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What is it with people acting like Big Mouth is child porn. Is there a bunch of erotically framed teen fuckin' that wasn't in the version I saw? Because it's mostly about how gross and horrible being a teen is, which is extremely unsexy (as it should be).
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Jan 13, 2023 05:45
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Yeah, Big Mouth was honestly a pretty earnest examination of teen sexuality, which is a thing that exists. It was very obviously never intended to be titillating or erotic in any way, as evidenced by both direction and design.
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Jan 13, 2023 06:29
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Yeah, whoever finds Big Mouth titillating is a person that has issues. The whole thing in Velma - yeah, it's clearly meant to be sexy even though the girls are fifteen.
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Jan 13, 2023 06:43
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Man this sucks I really wanted to like Velma. I might still check out the first ep but it does sound like it’s prob not for me Edit: what was the version of Scoob where Fred was flat out just a god drat goofy trap nerd? Mystery Machine I think? That one was legit great Edit edit: Mystery Incorporated, I should rewatch it Hawkperson fucked around with this message at 06:55 on Jan 13, 2023 |
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Jan 13, 2023 06:49
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Mystery Inc. It's basically the best Scooby Doo series and pretty much how you should do a reboot of a frankly, hokey and cheesy series: lean into and be aware of the cheese and updating it to modern sensibilities.
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Jan 13, 2023 06:56
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NieR Occomata posted:I dunno why the show bearing her name and starring the shows creator has seemingly gone out of its way to make Velma the worst kind of self-centered, pedantic, egotistical, shithead nerd. I was actually kind of excited for the show but it’s the worst combination of not funny and really full of itself from that really bad trailer. Author insert? Rather has the vibe of the creators thinking they're being progressive and woke and sticking it to the chuds which means nothing they do can be bad, and having absolutely no self-examination about anything they do as a result. Also there was a animated movie crossing over again with Batman: Brave and the Bold, and that was great.
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Jan 13, 2023 07:06
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I should have known not to trust Mindy Kaling after she wrote off Chris Messina from her sitcom by making his character a total monster 
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Jan 13, 2023 07:12
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Velma is just sounding like the tv version of a video game telling you sewer levels are bad and giving you a bad sewer level.
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Jan 13, 2023 07:38
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Velma sounds like one of those gritty 90s reboots, in that they just took a name with clout and made something they think is currently popular leaving what had originally allowed it to make it's mark by the wayside.
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Jan 13, 2023 09:36
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no, seriously, people are saying there's no scooby-doo, is this true
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Jan 13, 2023 09:43
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It is extremely weird that the literally call him “Norville”, which to me screams “the name Shaggy is stupid and we’re gonna call him by his REAL name god drat it”, which both misses the point and also ignores the fact that a famous black singer literally went by the stage name “Shaggy”. gently caress, there’s a joke that writes itself - Velma confronts him about something he does and he responds “Wasn’t me”. It’s the easiest putt!
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Jan 13, 2023 09:46
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Hawkperson posted:Edit: what was the version of Scoob where Fred was flat out just a god drat goofy trap nerd? Mystery Machine I think? That one was legit great Mystery Inc. He was deliberately being written as somewhat autistic in that, with his general social obliviousness and his trap-obsession. Surprisingly easy to fit into his character, it only took a slight extension of his previous characterisations.
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Jan 13, 2023 09:57
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Whenever scooby doo is not on screen, people should be asking, Where’s Scooby Doo
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Jan 13, 2023 13:41
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I called the show "The new Mindy Kaling Mysteries" and it made 70% more sense. If they didn't include the Scooby characters and license, it would be an easily forgettable "crime cartoon" with the added fluff of big mouth's "I'm pan, which makes me cooler than bisexuals" discourse. It just isn't a happy show, it's miserable watching it, the writing is miserable from the jokes, and even some of the delivery of the lines reads "this is our second take - gently caress it" It isn't appealing to any real audience, it has the "we aren't woke" jokes to try and cater to the YouTube audience that sees "black, gay Velma" and does some Tucker Carlson impressions, and they tune out over anything giving them microaggressions. That all you have left is Mindy's fans, and that all comes down up to "how much did you enjoy the movie Late Night" The only positive I see making the rounds is the signal boosting of Harley Quinn, which has the adult jokes, can do character arcs and also, not really talk down to it's audience? The only other thing I need to bring up - "Norville" is straight edge, and to him "420 is slang for adult that watches cartoons" - a har har. Anyway, most likely he will do the weeeeeed and we will get some mid 2000s stoner comedy jokes, get excited!
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Jan 13, 2023 14:02
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Robindaybird posted:Mystery Inc. Every clip of that I've seen has been hilarious. I love Velma being perpetually pissed Shaggy dumped her for a dog and the line "Rar roo chreating ron me?" for even existing.
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Jan 13, 2023 14:18
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At least it’s not Scooby Apocalypse.
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Jan 13, 2023 14:36
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My wife and I sat down to watch Velma together last night. We were excited, we'd heard it was coming out this year and had been avoiding trailers and spoilers all of 2022. We're both huge fans of Scooby Doo. All of it. From the '69 "Scooby-Doo, Where Are You!" original series, to the cameo movies, Boo Brothers, Zombie Island, 13 Ghosts, all the movies ALL THE MOVIES even 'Scooby-Doo and WWE have a monster truck wacky races rally' to Scooy-Doo meets Bobby Flay to the live action movies. We even love deconstructions like Mystery Inc, Scooby Apocalypse (fight me, it was fun after it got over being edgy for the hell of it after the first arc) homages like in the Venture Bros, and if you haven't read it Edgar Cantero's novel 'Meddling Kids' (which I want to come back to later) Also generally liked Mindy Kaling's comedy series. No opinion whatsoever about Charlie Grandy. Velma was the worst thing I've watched in years. We made it through the first episode but hated every minute of it. We're out, gently caress this series and everyone involved with it. It spent more time talking about the script than it spent on dialogue or plot. The characters have nothing whatsoever to do with Scooby Doo. There's not an iota of what makes Velma Velma in Velma, nor any other character. It's crass in place of actual comedy. It explains every joke. Every character is awful. It's extra frustrating because this exact premise has been done, but better.  Meddling Kids, by Edgar Cantero is a novel about a team of mystery solving kids that are now adults but their lives have gone to poo poo because of their last case. One's a felon dodging the cops, ones a drunk failed journalist, ones insane halucinating the ghost of his friend the movie actor that killed himself. It's the 'crapsack' world setting of Velma with characters that are broken and flawed and yet still recognizable as Daphne, Velma, Shaggy, and Fred. (scooby's dead, but the velma has his grandson) I've lost all respect I had for Kaling. Charlie Grandy is now on my list of enemies for making what I can only interpret as deliberate mockery of something I love. This place is not a place of honor. No highly esteemed deed is commemorated here. Nothing valued is here. What is here is dangerous and repulsive to us.
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Jan 13, 2023 15:07
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Listen you might laugh but you have to have Scooby Doo in your Scooby Doo show, I know, i know, hes just a Hungry dog the says "Ruh Roh" Thats his whole whole character but without him you are just missing something. Hes like the soul of it all The instant you approach writing a show about scooby and the gang sans scooby i feel you are on the road to failure You are not better than Scooby Doo.
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Jan 13, 2023 15:54
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Netflix has canceled Dead End: Paranormal Park: https://twitter.com/hamishsteele/status/1613886933557727232 That's all of their (previously) continuing animated series now, isn't it?
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Jan 13, 2023 15:58
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Slyphic posted:My wife and I sat down to watch Velma together last night. We were excited, we'd heard it was coming out this year and had been avoiding trailers and spoilers all of 2022. ooof, this review somehow feels the most damning out of all the things I've read about Velma. A huge fan of Scooby Doo who also likes Mindy Kaling's comedy feels like the kind of person who should have been the shows target audience, so hearing someone like that say "There is nothing of value here" really drives home that the writers hosed up. Thanks for the cool book recommendation, sorry this show wasted your time.
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Jan 13, 2023 16:03
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wow, "mindy kaling" is trending on twitter, and it's... not good. it's a shame about the velma show. the animation can be charming at times, and i think it's great that they're tryin' to get more representation out there, but this show is oddly mean spirited for a Scooby Doo thing. All the characters are such unlikable psychopathic assholes that they're unrecognizable. It does seem like they're going for a thing where the characters might grow and change into something more like the common perception, but it's still just jarring to see these characters act this way that I don't think people [or the show] are gonna stick around to reach that conclusion.
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Jan 13, 2023 17:24
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I saw the first episode of Velma last night. One joke was funny. Only one. The rest was just awful, lazy writing. Also it feels like Kaling voicing Velma is nothing more than "I can do it better than anyone else so I'll do it" bullshit from the show's creator. The art was good but weird. Some characters are Steven Universe-esque with the rest being Venture Bros. and I'm not sure if that was intentional.
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Jan 13, 2023 17:29
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ThermoPhysical posted:The art was good but weird. Some characters are Steven Universe-esque with the rest being Venture Bros. and I'm not sure if that was intentional. And now that's a funny combination that makes me picture Steven at first being wielded out by Rusty and finding him disturbing and then later on he's all "...now I GET it."
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Jan 13, 2023 17:46
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SilentChaz posted:That's all of their (previously) continuing animated series now, isn't it? If Netflix cancels Gabby’s Dollhouse, everyone is going to hear about the two year old that committed murder. (I think it’s mostly safe because it’s a Dreamworks production that is exclusive to Netflix, but still.)
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Jan 13, 2023 18:15
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NieR Occomata posted:It is extremely weird that the literally call him “Norville”, which to me screams “the name Shaggy is stupid and we’re gonna call him by his REAL name god drat it”, which both misses the point and also ignores the fact that a famous black singer literally went by the stage name “Shaggy”. gently caress, there’s a joke that writes itself - Velma confronts him about something he does and he responds “Wasn’t me”. It’s the easiest putt! Yeah, it's amazing how it steps over easy (and funny) jokes to be as crass and mean-spirited as possible.
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Jan 13, 2023 18:41
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Velma sucks but I also, as a Scooby Doo fan, thought Meddling Kids was practically unreadable. Just dogshit writing.
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MikeJF posted:Mystery Inc. He was deliberately being written as somewhat autistic in that, with his general social obliviousness and his trap-obsession. Surprisingly easy to fit into his character, it only took a slight extension of his previous characterisations. Tbh I think this alone shows the difference in a good faith and bad faith take on a character. The Velma casting call for Fred seemed baffled by the idea that anyone could find him remarkably likeable.
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Jan 13, 2023 19:52
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I think it's really funny two Scooby doo shows get mixed reception because they don't include the gang or certain characters. Velma obviously does not include Scooby doo. Meanwhile Shaggy and Scooby get a clue, while it does include the gang sometimes, the focal point is really Shaggy and Scoobys magic dynomutt powers. Tbh I think this show is a bit underrated.
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Jan 13, 2023 20:07
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readingatwork posted:Are people online actually mad that the dog isn’t in Velma? Because I’m reasonably certain he’ll get written in at some point. It's not that the dog would make or break the show's writing it's just that it comes off as so...insecure? Like a superhero movie that only ever refers to the hero as THE VIGILANTE and doesn't have them in the costume until the credits, if the writer's are ashamed to be associated with a talking dog it doesn't spell good things for a Scooby Doo show.
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Jan 13, 2023 20:55
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Reading a bunch of reviews the one throughline I’m seeing about Velma is is that it makes no compelling case for being a Scooby Doo show besides some winking references. I think I’m kind of coming around to that conspiracy theory that this show started life as something else before being forced to be a Scooby Doo property; every single review I’ve read so far goes out of its way to mention how the show either doesn’t feel recognizable to the SD universe in any way besides the references or the show specifically and almost contemptuously insults the elements of SD that are recognizable. Everything I’ve read really does make it sound like a show that really, truly hates its IP in a way that really does give credence to the idea that this started life as something else. Like I thought Scoob! was not loving good, but at the very least it read as a movie that did actually enjoy the Hanna-Barbara poo poo it was based on.
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Jan 13, 2023 21:24
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Just seems kind of weird New Shaggy wouldn't at least have a dog named Scooby or Scoob. It's not like it has to talk either, it can be just A Dog. I don't even like Scooby Doo but I feel like you have to include him somewhere in the Velma show
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So is the impression basically that there’s an undercurrent of the showrunners are going “uuuuugh, fine, I’ll do it, but I’m not going to like it”?
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