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I didn't get the outrage at the time. Wind Waker looks like an updated version of A Link to the Past, and it's one of my favorite games ever. There's probably a whole generation of kids whose first and "best" Zelda was Ocarina of Time and they probably wanted a darker and grittier and more "mature" Zelda game. Those kids are dumb and wrong.
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I have not played a Zelda game since A Link to the past. I hear they're okay.
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Mooseontheloose posted:I think the VERY first Zelda on gamecube trailer was a "realistic" super polished Zelda game and then a year (or two?) later they revealed the Toon Zelda and it rankled some people who wanted a dark zelda game. It didn't just rankle, it drove the dork hordes into a loving fury. People HATED it, immediately, on these very forums! It was really wierd. Jokes on them, twenty years later WW is beloved and rightly so. It's a fun one.
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Jan 27, 2023 14:58
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And then people got their darker Zelda in Twilight Princess. Which is good, but not WW good.
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Tall Tale Teller posted:It didn't just rankle, it drove the dork hordes into a loving fury. People HATED it, immediately, on these very forums! It was really wierd. IIRC same set of trailers that had MEtroid as an FPS and Mario with his watergun. People were mad. Sunshine, is a bit of a black sheep, but overall, they're three pretty good games
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While Wind Waker was far from being the perfect game (I'm still pissed about hunting for the triforce pieces and having to grind rupees to pay Tingle 8 times), I know a LOT of people who refused to even try it because it was "cartoony". Which is a shame, because it actually made good use of the cel shading, it had a good plot and the final fight against Gannondorf ended in the most  way possible for a Nintendo game.
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Randalor posted:While Wind Waker was far from being the perfect game (I'm still pissed about hunting for the triforce pieces and having to grind rupees to pay Tingle 8 times), I know a LOT of people who refused to even try it because it was "cartoony". Which is a shame, because it actually made good use of the cel shading, it had a good plot and the final fight against Gannondorf ended in the most It did leave me rather stunned. I was like drat, Link. Don't gently caress with this guy.
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Aramek posted:I have not played a Zelda game since A Link to the past. I hear they're okay.
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Mr Interweb posted:sopranos has some of the strangest editing i've seen for a professionally made, major network backed series. like, there's a ton of scenes that seem to go on for no more than a couple minutes at a time, then cut away at what seems like a very odd or even abrupt point. as if it was like the show was constantly filled with moments where a fly kept getting into a shot or there was some kind of video/film corruption and needed to be cut out and salvage whatever they got. a lot of it genuinely felt amateur https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gKx8zhzVwk Henchman of Santa posted:I don't remember. But what would be lost if that Columbus Day episode disappeared? The anti-Italian discrimination screenshot? I thought that was a universally derided episode.
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Jan 27, 2023 15:31
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I was pretty down on the WW look at first (didn't help that early screenshots were really rough) then I saw a feature in Nintendo Power about how the cartoony art style made it so that Link could emote in-game and look at points of interest by himself. That was pretty groundbreaking stuff at the time, and I was instantly onboard with it.
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Jan 27, 2023 15:35
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Ironically, I was on board with WW from the first trailer but never really got hooked into the final game. Though that was around the time my adhd kicked in and also WW was a bit clunky.
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Randalor posted:While Wind Waker was far from being the perfect game (I'm still pissed about hunting for the triforce pieces and having to grind rupees to pay Tingle 8 times), I know a LOT of people who refused to even try it because it was "cartoony".
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Alexander Hamilton posted:I haven’t looked at it in 10 years but Perry Bible Fellowship was pretty funny You'll be happy to know that in those ten years time, there's, like...5 new comics!
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John Murdoch posted:Ironically, I was on board with WW from the first trailer but never really got hooked into the final game. Though that was around the time my adhd kicked in and also WW was a bit clunky. the triforce hunt breaks the flow of the game a lot.
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CelticPredator posted:??? They made 27 episodes and then canceled it homie and never changed teams lol Ah, I thought the first 20 episodes were two seasons. The last seven that made up the second season being a) noticeably stylistically different and b) a lot worse made me assume there were some changes in the team.
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KozmoNaut posted:I didn't get the outrage at the time. Wind Waker looks like an updated version of A Link to the Past, and it's one of my favorite games ever. There was a lot of angst among Nintendo fans at the time about Nintendo being "kiddy", so I think that one Spaceworld trailer had a lot of people hoping the new Zelda would help shake off that label. Then surprise, the new Zelda actually looks nothing like that trailer and the art style is in fact extremely "kiddy". It's ultimately pretty silly, and amounts to a bunch of twelve year olds getting mad about how they were perceived by a different bunch of twelve year olds, but I can see where they were coming from at least. Wind Waker was good, and the visuals are pretty much anti-this thread, but I doubt I could play the original vs. the remake at this point, the amount of busywork is extreme.
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NorgLyle posted:The Sopranos is a lot like Seinfeld in that the leads are all charismatic enough that it is easy to lose sight of the fact that they're all supposed to be the worst people alive. You root for them because they're the protagonists and the show is essentially all about their vision of the world and the way that the world works but they're terrible and once you remember that it is easier to understand why The Sopranos is insanely misogynistic. I was really surprised once I sat down and watched the Sopranos a year or so ago. I thought it was going to be a straightforward masculinity worship TV show like The Shield or something, but it's a very dramatic and funny show about the most awful people doing awful things and the universe actually rolling back at them. Maybe it's a human giving it to them straight, maybe it's some random coincidence, maybe it's the keg of dynamite whose fuse was lit a season ago, or maybe it's a filthy subconscious spilling some sewage over its edge. Same thing with Seinfeld, only in sitcom format, and it gets really surreal sometimes. I didn't expect either to be as funny as they are, since I expected the show-world would just uncritically let them be lovable people we're supposed to like and admire, like the actual real world (or most of The Office) seems to do. But no, both shows seem to despise these characters as much as I do. Great shows both.
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Heres something that aged...weirdly. I've been replaying Earthbound and those faith-healers (idk what they are called) in the hospitals sure do look a lot different in the Covid era. At least the ones in Earthbound actually work. Also the stuff about Monotoli and the cops hits different as an adult.
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That's a lot of words to say you watched a prestige drama and were surprised to see that it ended up being a prestige drama
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Probably the first thing I tell people who haven't watched the Sopranos is that it is a borderline comedy. Prestige TV bloat has poisoned the well to the point that people think every critically acclaimed drama is some 100% dark and torturous Serious People Doing Serious Things when the reality is that its too many shows that do that trying to being big prestige and the really good ones are almost the opposite of that.
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Randalor posted:I remember Schlock Mercenary being pretty good for the most part and actually ended rather than burning out or going full chud, Kevin and Kell was wholesome and I'm pretty sure predated the furry fandom (though that started in the 90's, does that still count?), I THINK Order of the Stick started in the 00's... uh... hmm... Kevin And Kell uhhh went places.
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credburn posted:Oh I remember the reaction to that on these forums. I didn't even care about Zelda at the time but I think I also felt like (((betrayal)))! I was a few years older, but that was my initial reaction as well. The gamecube was brand-new, we finally had the tech to do a decent looking realistic-rendered LoZ, and that's what they promised with that first trailer. Then Celda showed up and a lot of people got mad. For me it felt like bait-and-switch. Then the game came out, I played it, and I understood why it was getting such great reviews. Went from a big disappointment to a complete non-issue in my mind within minutes of starting to actually play it. e: Shigeru Miyamoto saying that he'd wanted to make a game that looked like the art on the manuals since the very first LoZ went a long way towards defusing the nerd rage as well, IIRC.
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Megillah Gorilla posted:About once every five years someone does something that reminds me that site still exists and I just laugh all over again. I started reading Megatokyo back in high school when I was in my full on cringe-assed weeb phase, and at this point I keep checking in on it out of a sense of sunk cost fallacy. It only seems to update once every other month at this point. I will admit I still have and like the 16-oz coffee mug from their store that I bought ages ago. But, more to the point, yes, I would also like storytime. And I am currently lol'ing because I remembered how Largo got bought out of the comic and went off to do his own thing, which I'm assuming went nowhere, and the little mini-feud between Piro and the guy who does PvP.
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He appears to have run for political office as a Texas libertarian. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodney_Caston
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Alaois posted:in my mind the MiB cartoon is just the OP and nothing else This intro and the Tim Curry guest spot are the only things that holds up without qualifiers. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvMtY7JEO18 Not the worst thing ever, but like... you can't judge old cartoons on themes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdtcK1Qs2K4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPEq-ezAufQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLKYOSiW7U4 You'd think these shows might be goofy fun, or at least memorably terrible, but they're not. They never are.
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Mad Men is also a surprisingly funny show about assholes.
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Very long setup for the Jaguar joke, punchline was worth it.
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the_steve posted:I started reading Megatokyo back in high school when I was in my full on cringe-assed weeb phase, and at this point I keep checking in on it out of a sense of sunk cost fallacy. It only seems to update once every other month at this point. Megillah Gorilla posted:About once every five years someone does something that reminds me that site still exists and I just laugh all over again. Let's talk about the Megatokyo kickstarter then! First, a brief catchup for anyone that doesn't know what Megatokyo is: Megatokyo is a webcomic that began in 2000, co-created by Fred Gallagher and Rodney Caston. Rodney left the comic early on, like within the first couple years, so he's not important nor relevant to the story. Fred though...hoo-boy, just wait. It's a comic about two American nerds/otaku named Piro (Fred's stand-in) and Largo (Rodney's stand-in) who find themselves stranded in Japan after having to escape the US, after they caused a fuss at E3. It was a super popular comic for a long time! Popular enough that just about every other notable or major webcomic creator of the 2000s had some kind of shout-out towards it or praise for it! It was a big enough deal that the comic ended up getting a publishing deal with Dark Horse, and later on DC comics. But there was one small problem... Fred is lazy as gently caress. Some days he just didn't feel like doing the comic. He would do things called Dead Piro Days when this happened where he would just post sketches of art he was working on or drawings of the girls in the comic. Sometimes he blamed creative burn-out, some days he blamed depression. Some days he said he just didn't feel like doing the comic. Y'know what? That's fine. That's okay. I get being depressed and I get creative burn-out. Except...he quit his job to work on the comic. The comic became his job, and more often than not he just skipped the days the comic was supposed to go up. He even skipped out on updating the different sections of the website. For the better part of a decade, the 'characters' and 'story' pages on the website simply said 'I'll finish this when I feel like it'. Kind of a problem when your comic has like a hundred characters and an increasingly complex storyline! Even now, the main banner on the website reads something like '2000-2010 = ten years! win!' to celebrate the ten year anniversary of the comic. Oops. Eventually, everyone figured out that Fred was never going to achieve any kind of regular update schedule. Everyone realized that the comic would get one or two, maybe three updates to the comic a month, if that. This brings us to 2013, and the Megatokyo Kickstarter. Somehow, Fred had the bright idea to create a Megatokyo visual novel, and decided to use Kickstarter to fund it. It was going to be based on the first couple chapters of the comic, so most of the early work was already done for him. Should have be a fairly easy thing to make. That being said, the fans he still had at that point should have been smart enough to realize that Fred would NEVER going to finish a project like this. The Kickstarter should have died on the vine because the fans should have been smarter than that. But, well... quote:4,958 backers pledged $299,184 to help bring this project to life. That's an average of sixty bucks per backer. You people should have been smarter than that.  As you've probably guessed by now, the visual novel never got finished. In fact, Fred has shown no progress or work from it at all, just a bare minimum of concept art on the game's website. The last update to the Kickstarter was in 2017. Fred stopped posting on the once-bustling forums a long, long time ago, and there's a single sad mod there whose job it is to tell people that the visual novel is still being worked on, Fred is going through a lot in his life, and it'll come eventually. At one point a ton of people were on the forums complaining about the visual novel's progress, but now most of them have given up and have stopped asking for updates or even refunds. It's obvious at this point that it's not happening, and it should serve as a lesson on why you shouldn't back or support projects from creators that you know are lazy and have a bad habit of not finishing projects once they've started them. A couple of fun notes to wrap this up: -There was a total of SIX updates to the comic itself in 2022! -Fred has a Patreon where 473 patrons give him almost two thousand dollars a month! The first subscriber goal on his Patreon? quote:I will replace one pencil and color illustration I am currently doing per month with one Megatokyo comic to produce a minimum of three Megatokyo comics per month I hope those subscribers are happy with their donations. -In double-checking some of my facts for this, I have learned there's an official Megatokyo Discord server, and I can't imagine that's anything but the most depressing place in the world. -I've saved the best for last: There's a Megatokyo novel series, written by a man named Thomas Knapp. It's six books long (plus one additional short story), and the first book came out in 2014. In the time it took for this man to write six novels and a short story (plus two original novels in his own series), Fred has shown approximately zero progress on the visual novel. Kind of says it all, doesn't it?
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Addendum to the bit about the Discord server: That is far, far more people than I expected to be in it and while I'm not going to enter it myself (no touching the poop, after all), I am genuinely curious how there are that many people in there and how they haven't all became fed up with Fred and left.
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pentyne posted:Probably the first thing I tell people who haven't watched the Sopranos is that it is a borderline comedy. Prestige TV bloat has poisoned the well to the point that people think every critically acclaimed drama is some 100% dark and torturous Serious People Doing Serious Things when the reality is that its too many shows that do that trying to being big prestige and the really good ones are almost the opposite of that. I think it would be sad if someone thought prestige dramas had to be super serious, because some of the biggest laughs I've ever had watching a TV show come from Mad Men.
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Breaking Bad and The Wire are also hilarious sometimes. Having some sort of levity is just standard drama writing.
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Oddly enough both the prestige TV and Zelda on this very page kinda illustrate the problem not exclusive to any age group or even demographic about how things have to be Dark and Serious, and how people judge things by the trappings and arbitrary categories rather than actual content and substance.
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All this talk of Megatokyo and no mention that it has turned into a completely pro-republican, anti-trans comic that could be written by Scott Adams himself. Just the most heinous poo poo imaginable put to the page.Mooseontheloose posted:I think the VERY first Zelda on gamecube trailer was a "realistic" super polished Zelda game and then a year (or two?) later they revealed the Toon Zelda and it rankled some people who wanted a dark zelda game. I mean clearly Wind Waker was a huge downgrade from this, which has aged like fine wine and definitely doesn’t look like knockoff Reboot: https://youtu.be/jqcyQOgmUYE
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Oddly enough both the prestige TV and Zelda on this very page kinda illustrate the problem not exclusive to any age group or even demographic about how things have to be Dark and Serious, and how people judge things by the trappings and arbitrary categories rather than actual content and substance. The wrapper and the highlight reel are largely all that matter for most audiences. Sucks but it's true.
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I think one of the issues with Wind Waker is that it didn't really look good in the low-quality screenshots/video of the era it was released.
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Henchman of Santa posted:Breaking Bad and The Wire are also hilarious sometimes. Having some sort of levity is just standard drama writing. This is definitely an area where Boardwalk Empire botched it, just non stop unrelenting misery.
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MokBa posted:All this talk of Megatokyo and no mention that it has turned into a completely pro-republican, anti-trans comic that could be written by Scott Adams himself. Just the most heinous poo poo imaginable put to the page. Right now it’s my turn to ask for details. Considering that Fred’s avatar in the comics is quite frequently drawn as female in the ‘game worlds’, part of me is surprised to hear the comic is anti-trans now. What’s the story there?
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