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njsykora posted:if you want a dedicated music player they’re probably your best option now apple’s fully killed the ipod I looked into those a month ago or so when I wanted to get something nicer than a SanDisk. Some of them still have proprietary cables and software so that was a non-starter. Also very expensive compared to how much memory they had. Options these days for pocket audio players are functional SanDisks with weird memory limitations, nearly $1000 boutique things, or an endless slog of way too cheap products with random 4 letter brand names. Let me know if anyone knows better.
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:you are not wrong in principle, but afaik there was nothing more open about e.g. sd cards than memory stick. people also remember the drm aspects of memory stick, but the 'sd' in sd cards is from the 'secure digital music initiative', where both it and sony memory sticks got their weird drm'y features. The problem being that even in the early stages, the DRM was never really put in place for SD/TF cards, so it wasn't a big deal. Whereas Sony got a major hard on for DRM.
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Manzoon posted:I looked into those a month ago or so when I wanted to get something nicer than a SanDisk. Some of them still have proprietary cables and software so that was a non-starter. Also very expensive compared to how much memory they had. just use your phone, op
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The_Franz posted:forget the schoolyard nintendo v sega wars, the blu-ray vs hd-dvd situation had some extremely unhinged people involved. avsforum had to close down that section for a while because things were getting so out of hand, what with the doxxing, threats, and police involvement iirc warner brothers were effectively who declared hddvd dead
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didn't it come down to HDDVD not letting porn publishers license or something like that? I seem to remember it being a replay of BETA v VHS with Sony learning from their experience.
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polyester concept posted:just use your phone, op there's also a small but growing hobbyist market of various major upgrades to mid-model ipods adding usb c, bt, flash, taptic, and audio improvements all told it'll cost you $1000 to do all of those but at least the ui is sane Agile Vector fucked around with this message at 04:39 on Feb 17, 2023 |
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DamnGlitch posted:didn't it come down to HDDVD not letting porn publishers license or something like that? I seem to remember it being a replay of BETA v VHS with Sony learning from their experience. you could also point at cd, dvd and bluray all being in the most popular consoles (only just in the case of the ps3) of their respective gaming generations, certainly people talk a lot about how many people bought a ps2 just to use it as a dvd player, then 4k bluray ended up in the ps4 pro when that came out meanwhile on xbox you needed an additional drive to play hd-dvds, my brother bought that, i laughed at him
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DamnGlitch posted:didn't it come down to HDDVD not letting porn publishers license or something like that? I seem to remember it being a replay of BETA v VHS with Sony learning from their experience. nah this was the tipping point https://www.cnet.com/culture/warner-goes-blu-ray-exclusively-delivering-crushing-blow-to-hd-dvd/
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Sony making the PS3 a loss-leader for bluray probably single-handedly won that format war.
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look, hd-dvd had better features at the time! it's fine! it's good, see! yeah i totally bought the xbox hd-dvd addon thing, at launch for full price. i make bad decisions
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Blu-Ray had a much zingier name than HD-DVD and that counts for a ton because people are dumb apes with monkey brains.
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the first hd-dvd player had a pentium 4 in it
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devmd01 posted:the only thing Sony gets right are TVs. got a 55” edge lit led like a decade ago with an insane employee discount + rebate thing at the retailer I worked at, thing still trucks along as the bedroom TV. they are quite good at making playstations. totally dominate the market, no other manufacturer even produces playstations anymore
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Good point. Otoh dozens of companies have made Nintendos
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git apologist posted:they are quite good at making playstations. totally dominate the market, no other manufacturer even produces playstations anymore they're really not that good at it. you couldn't buy a playstation for years, they were too popular
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Beeftweeter posted:they're really not that good at it. you couldn't buy a playstation for years, they were too popular 
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Sagebrush posted:Good point. Otoh dozens of companies have made Nintendos Not dozens, just Sharp (twin famicom, tv with built in snes) and Panasonic (GameCube with dvd player) e: and of course, there’s all the unofficial knockoffs, like dendy The_Franz fucked around with this message at 11:23 on Feb 17, 2023 |
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Agile Vector posted:there's also a small but growing hobbyist market of various major upgrades to mid-model ipods adding usb c, bt, flash, taptic, and audio improvements that YOSposter that had a huge stack of stuff for portable music, an iPod classic hooked up to an external DAC for better audio, and a separate headphone amp or something. all tied together with bungee cords, looked like a cyberpunk brick.
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There were a couple AliX """"High End"""" anroid-based music players in a recent emailshot, they looked suitably futuristic but I have no idea if they were actually 'good' products. They weren't cheap either, at least in the several-hundred-dollar category meaning of 'cheap'. edit: cheapest to least cheapest https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005004726785043.html https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005002705565754.html https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005003647026243.html  edit edit: the Headfonia review of the top-end M17 here, lol at the dimensions https://www.headfonia.com/fiio-m17-review/ Size-wise, the M17 is… gigantic. 156.4 mm tall, 88.5mm wide, 28mm thick, and a total weight of 610g, without the leather case. Also Eighteen hundred dollars at the time of review 
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drat I paid £150 for a Sony mp3 player in 2019 what was I thinking the answer is "I have no kids yet and a ridiculous disposable income"
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The_Franz posted:Not dozens, just Sharp (twin famicom, tv with built in snes) and Panasonic (GameCube with dvd player) Nah my nephew has an Xbox Nintendo and I'm pretty sure that's Microsoft. And Sony makes a really popular Nintendo called the PlayStation
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DamnGlitch posted:didn't it come down to HDDVD not letting porn publishers license or something like that? I seem to remember it being a replay of BETA v VHS with Sony learning from their experience. the porn thing is a myth. sony had no say in what could/couldn't be released on Beta. VHS won because it was cheaper
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Sweevo posted:the porn thing is a myth. sony had no say in what could/couldn't be released on Beta. VHS won because it was cheaper i remember reading that vhs went hard on courting rental stores too, so if you wanted to rent a movie vhs was the only real option NoneMoreNegative posted:There were a couple AliX """"High End"""" anroid-based music players in a recent emailshot, they looked suitably futuristic but I have no idea if they were actually 'good' products. They weren't cheap either, at least in the several-hundred-dollar category meaning of 'cheap'. fiio have been in the audio game a long rear end time, i have their m3 pro player and it's a nice little thing, i see zero reason to get any of their top end stuff because most of them use the same DAC anyway, they just go hard on sending stuff to youtubers to make faces at like omg they sent me a $1500 device! personally if i was buying a replacement for this ipod it'd be something like the shanling m0 which is basically an ipod nano or the xduoo x2s which is hella cheap but also ugly as sin
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axolotl farmer posted:that YOSposter that had a huge stack of stuff for portable music, an iPod classic hooked up to an external DAC for better audio, and a separate headphone amp or something. all tied together with bungee cords, looked like a cyberpunk brick. that was gotdatwmd
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njsykora posted:i remember reading that vhs went hard on courting rental stores too, so if you wanted to rent a movie vhs was the only real option vhs tapes and players were cheaper, and the tapes were longer (2-4hrs vs 1-2hrs for beta). the format war started over home taping and vhs was already ahead by the time pre-recorded tapes and rental stores became a significant factor. rental stores had both, but slightly more of their customers wanted vhs, which then became self-sustaining - fewer beta titles at the video store means fewer people buying beta players and vhs wins.
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polyester concept posted:just use your phone, op I don't like to, I like having physical buttons I can push in a pocket. Those little SanDisks have batteries that last for a couple of weeks between charges. I'll probably be forced to one of these days.
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polyester concept posted:that makes me wonder if anyone makes a bluetooth device with physical buttons thats just designed to control the audio app like a remote control I did have some decent earbuds with the inline controls that were nice, I know there's options for phone controls like that but the utility I get from having a $40 mp3 player is handy. Thinking about a big Bluetooth enabled knife switch now...
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Sweevo posted:VHS won because it was cheaper worse is better.
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Wild EEPROM posted:being able to record longer helped too that was the main thing. ultimately people don't care about marginal vertical or chrominance resolution, as annoying as that might be later vhs was pretty good anyway. S-VHS is neat and so is D-VHS
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lol actually i think RCA was still trying to market capacitive electronic disc (basically vinyl laserdisc) at the time. it pretty much killed the company
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polyester concept posted:that makes me wonder if anyone makes a bluetooth device with physical buttons thats just designed to control the audio app like a remote control yeah I have this in my car  https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00RM75NL0/ I need to get around to changing the battery in it, but it lasted several years of regular use. There's also a Bluetooth receiver hidden inside the center console armrest hatch plugged in to the aux port in there and a low-rise lighter socket to USB power widget. Almost as good as real CarPlay! 
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Sweevo posted:vhs tapes and players were cheaper, and the tapes were longer (2-4hrs vs 1-2hrs for beta). the format war started over home taping and vhs was already ahead by the time pre-recorded tapes and rental stores became a significant factor. rental stores had both, but slightly more of their customers wanted vhs, which then became self-sustaining - fewer beta titles at the video store means fewer people buying beta players and vhs wins. Funny tech poo poo I just remembered: using a VHS recorder / player to record your TV shows. IIRC you had to leave the TV on to the specific channel, but the VHS machine had a clock and you could tell it to record for X minutes at YY:ZZ PM. Later versions would have day of week, and then even simple calendaring iirc, so you could set things well in advance. Out of the house every Thursday at 3PM, but still wanted to keep up with Days of our Lives or whatever? Thanks to THE POWER OF TECHNOLOGY you could capture it! As long as there wasn't a power outage that reset the clock, or a last minute rescheduling, or a breaking news thing, or ... Another funny tech thing, setting the clock on the VCR being considered an impossibly difficult act of technomancy. While this might have been true when the VCR had three buttons and you had to know a magic code of some kind, later versions were very obvious on what to do but the learned helplessness had set in.
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