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Vakal posted:I actually have this book. I picked it up years back since it looked like a fun throwback to a Flash Gordon-esque space fantasy adventure based on it's cover. That's just the first book of the series. It gets so much worse. The "hero" spends most of one book in a sexual relationship with a nonverbal child,
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gotta admit it's hilarious how piers anthony is so loving horrible that the discussion of how loving horrible he is can take over any thread
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So one question, how the hell did he apparently get so popular? Like did he start off non mass rapey and just got stupidly awful overtime, or was he always like this and people are just awful?
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Captain Yossarian posted:Cartoonist chat, but I always assumed Gary Larson was a good dude. Hates (hated?) the internet which is honestly also probably correct too. I've also never heard anything bad about Jim Davis Bad news, dude loves the internet and digital art now. But his open letter makes me smile and he posts some new stuff once in a while. https://www.thefarside.com/about/48/a-letter-from-gary-larson
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dr_rat posted:So one question, how the hell did he apparently get so popular? Like did he start off non mass rapey and just got stupidly awful overtime, or was he always like this and people are just awful? I remember reading the first two incarnations of immortality books as a kid and the first one I think somehow didn’t have anything weird in it. I remember the second one had the main character in a relationship with a woman except because of his status as Time he went generally backwards so his first meeting with her was her *last* meeting with her and it was weird I also remember reading the incarnations of immortality books ended with God being sued for negligence and the trial took place in the US Congress so even outside of the horrible stuff it still ended up being garbage on the end Off topic, but is it just me or did Dilbert start making the boss the protagonist instead of Dilbert?
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the Orb of Zot posted:Off topic, but is it just me or did Dilbert start making the boss the protagonist instead of Dilbert? it's not just you, Scott Adams got rich and naturally started to emphasize with Management
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Mar 16, 2023 14:57
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Yep, pretty sure it was a gradual thing as he got richer he started shifting to the boss more, so for a long time people didn't really notice.
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the Orb of Zot posted:I remember reading the first two incarnations of immortality books as a kid and the first one I think somehow didn’t have anything weird in it. The first one had Satan torturing the main character’s girlfriend with electrified nipple clamps, but by PA standards that’s pretty tame. Plus he saves her with the power of logic.
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dr_rat posted:So one question, how the hell did he apparently get so popular? Like did he start off non mass rapey and just got stupidly awful overtime, or was he always like this and people are just awful? I mean, he started writing in the 70's, his main books were the Xanth books, which aren't at all bad on the same level as some of his worst stuff. But I think the big thing is that he used a lot of very young teenage protagonists, many of them 13 or 14. At that age you would expect some degree of attraction for someone who is 12 or 13, and people go "awwww, a childhood crush." But of course it isn't that at all, it's a complete sexualization of a child by an adult using the filter of a child protagonist to give them cover.
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Captain Yossarian posted:Cartoonist chat, but I always assumed Gary Larson was a good dude. Hates (hated?) the internet which is honestly also probably correct too. I've also never heard anything bad about Jim Davis His legal team threatened Something Awful for posting his comics in the newspaper comics thread for 2021. The thread had to be locked away from viewing until all the images were removed, which they have been; I did the final check before it was re-released for public consumption. And yet somehow I can't hold it against the guy Jim Davis approved GarfieldEATS and did a promo for it, so his sellout instincts helped create the greatest work of art known to man
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Devils Affricate posted:Have you heard that he's responsible for Garfield? Yes I like Garfield thank you
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Learning a lot about Jim Davis and Gary Larson since my post yesterday and I like them more the more I learn about them. I hope neither of them brag about murdering their ex stepson or I will have egg on my face
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Captain Yossarian posted:Yes I like Garfield thank you N- ... ...Nathanfield...?
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I haven't dug into the history of Dilbert enough to know, I just always kinda assumed he went the same way Dave Sim did with Cerberus, which is: started off with something people legitimately enjoyed, got brain worms from the attention, and then the work went to poo poo because it became polluted with the warped political & philosophical leanings of its creator.
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dr_rat posted:So one question, how the hell did he apparently get so popular? Like did he start off non mass rapey and just got stupidly awful overtime, or was he always like this and people are just awful? Supposedly he was, at one point in time, about the only fantasy writer doing stuff for whatever age group Xanth was aimed at. Also, when he was starting out, Anthony would personally answer each and every fan letter, until the sheer volume of them forced him to stop. I mean, I remember the very first Xanth book, wherein a centaur scholar educates the protagonist on the history of Xanth. Basically there's a magic shield which separates Xanth from Mundania (our world), specifically southern Florida. But the shield sometimes falters, and whenever it does, a 'wave' of Mundanes pour in, and... rape the hell out of the native women. That resulted in babies, then the children develop magic powers and become the new residents. Now, personally, I thought this part was well written; the rape wasn't used for cheap titillation, but it wasn't sugar-coated either. But then, later in the book, the protagonist encounters a woman accusing some men of rape. The woman's magical talent (everyone has one) is that sometimes she's very pretty and very stupid, and sometimes she's very smart and incredibly ugly. It turns out that she willingly made whoopie during the pretty phase, and then during the smart phase she accused them of taking advantage, thus furthering the "it's not really rape, she just changed her mind" stereotype. Did I mention that the smart/stupid phases take place over a monthly cycle? Yeeeeeeeeeeeah.
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Gynovore posted:Supposedly he was, at one point in time, about the only fantasy writer doing stuff for whatever age group Xanth was aimed at. Also, when he was starting out, Anthony would personally answer each and every fan letter, until the sheer volume of them forced him to stop. Yeah, it’s this. Teenagers have lovely taste and the 80s/90s were dire for decent fantasy stuff. It’s the rare fantasy from that time period that has nothing horrifying to a 2023 reader. As stated, he is just an enormous creep who uses the viewpoints of child and teen characters to get to be creepy as gently caress. The whole story of the “letters to jenny” circumstance is probably the worst overall thing. After a fan wrote to him, he connected with her, and she either had been in a car accident or shortly got into one, and they had a correspondence to the point that anthony later released all their letters as a book. He included Jenny in the xanth books and there was just always this vibe of actual grooming with him. Of course piers went on to have the jenny character marry someone, who… Well.  God loving drat, i clicked a link in that wiki and wound up on the synopsis for his book “Demons Don’t Dream”, which i remembered as a video game themed novel 
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How the hell did Scott adams not end up being the worst person being talked about in the scott adams thread!!!!
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dr_rat posted:How the hell did Scott adams not end up being the worst person being talked about in the scott adams thread!!!! The Internet is a vast and relentless comparison machine.
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5er posted:The Internet is a vast and relentless comparison machine. Oh, well one day I hope the internet reaches it final goal of finding out who the single worst person in existence is I guess then. 
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I Woke Up As My Videogame Character In Another World and Now My Teenaged Pen Pal is Sexy??
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Powerful Katrinka posted:His legal team threatened Something Awful for posting his comics in the newspaper comics thread for 2021. The thread had to be locked away from viewing until all the images were removed, which they have been; I did the final check before it was re-released for public consumption. And yet somehow I can't hold it against the guy As a child i abhorred Jim Davis’ desire and ability to make the greatest amount of money for the least amount of work. As an adult I deeply respect it
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Applewhite posted:I Woke Up As My Videogame Character In Another World and Now My Teenaged Pen Pal is Sexy?? at least she's a teenager christ, i wish i had quit reading the xanth books before i got to the one where the love interest isn't "well these are p bad but how bad can they get?" 
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The more I learn about this Piers Anthony character the less I like him TBH.
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Jim Davis even seems cool with all the Lasagna Cat stuff which is funny because the videos keep getting taken down and everyone blames him even though the real issue is they're using popular copywrited songs
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JAMOOOL posted:Jim Davis even seems cool with all the Lasagna Cat stuff which is funny because the videos keep getting taken down and everyone blames him even though the real issue is they're using popular copywrited songs On this podcast with the creators they mentioned the only complaint that they received from Jim Davis is that they remove a reference to the address of "Paws, Inc.", his comic studio. https://open.spotify.com/episode/166s1naw0oDkcY0xthiClN
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BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:As a child i abhorred Jim Davis’ desire and ability to make the greatest amount of money for the least amount of work. It's kind of baller that Davis is onboard with people getting weird with Garfield. It's not exactly a surprise he went ahead with the licensing for GarfieldEATS, since that was a possible avenue for more money (lol). Lasagna Cat is just weird for weird's sake and it will never make him a dime, and dude is just like, That's cool, no complaints or take-down requests from me. I respect that
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Extra Large Marge posted:On this podcast with the creators they mentioned the only complaint that they received from Jim Davis is that they remove a reference to the address of "Paws, Inc.", his comic studio. I remember that one and knew right away that they had flown waaay too close to the sun with the address.
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Powerful Katrinka posted:It's kind of baller that Davis is onboard with people getting weird with Garfield. It's not exactly a surprise he went ahead with the licensing for GarfieldEATS, since that was a possible avenue for more money (lol). Lasagna Cat is just weird for weird's sake and it will never make him a dime, and dude is just like, That's cool, no complaints or take-down requests from me. I respect that IIRC he also gave the go ahead for a Garfield Minus Garfield book and even wrote a forward for it.
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as a kid i hated garfield because it was boring and dumb but a lot of that is that in my paper it ran almost directly opposite calvin and hobbes, so the juxtaposition of the latest 3-panel copy and paste vs a kid my age literally using the word juxtaposition was kind of difficult to ignore. it took another 10 years after C&H wrapped for me to realize that not only did most comics not go down like C&H, but in fact it was truly a once-in-a-lifetime sort of strip that only came about because watterson would've literally rather gone hungry than compromise his artistic integrity. it's cool to see that but as an adult i'm a lot more cynical about the approach because it implies that you're only ever going to do one thing and have one shot at something in your life, and that's both shortsighted and hysterical. davis has proved it by just letting his dumb poo poo breathe UNTIL it became something spectacular (jack-off lantern is right, it's stellar) and then just came in and gave the literary equivalent of a warm hug to the cat who thought it up. it doesn't change how amazing C&H is (i'm getting a few copies of the full compendium for my nieces, even), but it doesn't make davis a hack that he went out, got paid, and was cool about how his stuff developed.
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Mr Luxury Yacht posted:IIRC he also gave the go ahead for a Garfield Minus Garfield book and even wrote a forward for it. yea he did
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Jim Davis should be a Great Merchant in Civ dude's a marketing genius Or should it be Great Artist not sure which category they stuck Steve Jobs into
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From "Dilbert minus Dilbert"
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BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:As a child i abhorred Jim Davis’ desire and ability to make the greatest amount of money for the least amount of work. I think the mistake people make is thinking that Davis was lazy or something. I've listened to some animation podcasts covering Davis career and in addition to the comics, he also was also highly involved in the planning of the Garfield tv movies. They were big rating grabbers for CBS who wanted to poo poo them out as fast as possible and by the sounds of things, Davis fought hard to make sure their quality was kept up. By looking at just the awards for them, they did pretty well: 
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rotinaj posted:Yeah, it’s this. Teenagers have lovely taste and the 80s/90s were dire for decent fantasy stuff. It’s the rare fantasy from that time period that has nothing horrifying to a 2023 reader. This was before the modern internet, so you discovered these series by through friends or wandering around a bookstore. Well-known series like Xanth and Sword of Truth sold well and always had plenty of shelf space.
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Harveygod posted:I remember that one and knew right away that they had flown waaay too close to the sun with the address. it is really funny that *that's* the one that got them to take action and not the shampoo one
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