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PlasticAutomaton
Nov 12, 2016

Artoria Pendonut


Snooze Cruise posted:

is there anyway to get name remove rn or is it just a thing of i need to wait, im fine with the later but it still bothers me to have stuff in there that misgenders me, sob sob

So I know you can log into your VF account and fix your pronouns. To kill Aliases that you hate, you have to go to View Players, search for your SA name, and click on that page for your profile. THen just x out any aliases you never want to see again.

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Jump King
Aug 10, 2011

Pinterest Mom posted:

EccoRaven, Virginian Gunsmith (Racist Sympathizer)

How’d they know?

Snooze Cruise
Feb 16, 2013

hey look,
a post

PlasticAutomaton posted:

So I know you can log into your VF account and fix your pronouns. To kill Aliases that you hate, you have to go to View Players, search for your SA name, and click on that page for your profile. THen just x out any aliases you never want to see again.

my account isn't connected to that account somehow though, that is the issue

Hyper Crab Tank
Feb 10, 2014

The 16-bit retro-future of crustacean-based transportation
You should be able to go in and claim the account that exists, you'll have to do a short song and dance with your SA profile but then it should be linked up again?

Sandwolf
Jan 23, 2007

i'll be harpo


Pinterest Mom posted:

Piuro frees his slaves!, Day 1.
Porcus the Wombat, Marylander Prostitute (Town / Pinkerton Lover, Northern Sympathzier), chopped to pieces Night 1.
Tom Tucker, Rhode Islander Pinkerton Agent (Town Cop / Harlot Lover, Northern Sympathizer), committed suicide Night 1.
EccoRaven, Virginian Gunsmith (Racist (Lyncher), Racist Sympathizer), sniped Day 3.
Ardent, British Officer (Confederate Tourist / Harlot Lover, Southern Sympathizer), chopped to pieces Night 3

lmfao holy poo poo

Shellception
Oct 12, 2016

"I'm made up of the memories of my parents and my grandparents, all my ancestors. They're in the way I look, in the colour of my hair. And I'm made up of everyone I've ever met who's changed the way I think"

Pinterest Mom posted:

Piuro frees his slaves!, Day 1.
Porcus the Wombat, Marylander Prostitute (Town / Pinkerton Lover, Northern Sympathzier), chopped to pieces Night 1.
Tom Tucker, Rhode Islander Pinkerton Agent (Town Cop / Harlot Lover, Northern Sympathizer), committed suicide Night 1.
EccoRaven, Virginian Gunsmith (Racist (Lyncher), Racist Sympathizer), sniped Day 3.
Ardent, British Officer (Confederate Tourist / Harlot Lover, Southern Sympathizer), chopped to pieces Night 3

Ok, point gotten and conceded, lol.

Leperflesh
May 17, 2007

Sandwolf posted:

Would you be willing to be a point of contact outside the community for people who have issues within the community to come to? We will also have some in-community folks but it's not a bad thing to have a higher authority to be able to go to.

Yes, absolutely. I haven't asked her but I'm certain Antivehicular! would too, and any future TG/TGR moderator, and any SA admin. This goes for everything that happens on the forums, and anything off the forums that is happening to/by forums posters, or related to on-forums stuff.

Snooze Cruise
Feb 16, 2013

hey look,
a post

Hyper Crab Tank posted:

You should be able to go in and claim the account that exists, you'll have to do a short song and dance with your SA profile but then it should be linked up again?

it doesn't work because if i make new account it says account by that name already exists

Yami Fenrir
Jan 25, 2015

Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?
Not going to bother echo chambering the stuff (it's true) but I agree that you should come play with us!

We always give newbies a warm welcome. Sometimes with words, sometimes with vigilante shots...

Leperflesh
May 17, 2007

I generally avoid betrayal games after some uh, let's say embarrassing experiences with Diplomacy and the computer game Dominions. I'll lurk a game and if it seems like a thing I'd enjoy then perhaps I'll join in the next time!

Sub Rosa
Jun 9, 2010




Sandwolf posted:

The biggest in-community issue we have these days is rudeness.

Scientastic posted:

Yes, there’s not enough of it!
Gotta post just how much I disagree with Scientastic here as a jumping off point to sort of be a contrarian voice to what is being said here.

It is incomplete to portray Mafia as being just a game of social deduction. It's also a game of social manipulation. There is an overlap between tactics of manipulation and tactics of abuse.

There IS real potential for harm here. In the years I have been part of the SA Mafia community, I think I've mostly seen the people I personally think whose play is most potentially harmful have drifted away, so I am speaking mostly in potential rather than condemning current community play. But we have had games where people, including myself, have been negatively affected.

--

In regards to self-policing Podima has been an issue for a while. We have two Mafia discords, and feelings around Podima were part of the impetus some people had in desiring a new one. Multiple people were shocked and upset when Podima then also got Mod roles on the new server. Shell wasn't initially willing to unmod Podima when concerns were expressed, though, to be clear, I don't think the extent of this history was made clear to them at the time.

I was pretty unhappy that those concerns weren't being given what I thought was appropriate weight. I was the person who volunteered to ask Podima to resign from that position:



Really a lot of interesting parallels.

Sandwolf
Jan 23, 2007

i'll be harpo


Rosa, we immediately unmodded him when we were told about how people in the community felt about him being in a position of authority. People still, then, did not give us any real concrete details on what happened. We did not entirely understand but we removed his authority very quickly once we saw folks were not happy with that decision.

Shellception
Oct 12, 2016

"I'm made up of the memories of my parents and my grandparents, all my ancestors. They're in the way I look, in the colour of my hair. And I'm made up of everyone I've ever met who's changed the way I think"

Sub Rosa posted:

Shell wasn't initially willing to unmod Podima when concerns were expressed, though, to be clear, I don't think the extent of this history was made clear to them at the time.

I was pretty unhappy that those concerns weren't being given what I thought was appropriate weight. I was the person who volunteered to ask Podima to resign from that position:



Really a lot of interesting parallels.

Literally all I knew was he was a mod. Multiple people PMed me, too, and he did get demodded in a matter of hours. I'm not going to raise a ruckus, tho, I was rather confused and didn't react in the exact second, so that one is on me.

But also, lol, if anyone wants to take over the Discord y'all are more than welcome to, I'll give it to whoever wants it. It was literally a task no one else wanted to do.

Jen X
Sep 29, 2014

To bring light to the darkness, whether that darkness be ignorance, injustice, apathy, or stagnation.
I think the big thing that happens somewhat regularly (or did when I was regularly playing here, mostly 2-5 years back) is that people will press others too hard and it will prompt an emotional rejoinder, especially when the person pressing is doing so in a way that seems unfair or rude

this is usually sorted out by someone leaving the game or conversation cooling off and people taking a break, which is an explicit option under every ruleset and never needs to be justified, but sometimes the person pressing the other is the one being a dick (rather than he person attacked needing to opt out of an emotionally affecting situation) and things can get tricky

this is a tone issue for the most part and I like to think people being warned for being too rude is a thing that happens, but it's worth mentioning because many game runners may be hesitant to interject when things are borderline

Shellception
Oct 12, 2016

"I'm made up of the memories of my parents and my grandparents, all my ancestors. They're in the way I look, in the colour of my hair. And I'm made up of everyone I've ever met who's changed the way I think"
Also, it was, and it is, a Discord literally for people who wanted to organize and talk Mafia stuff, and for a lot of reasons, people did not want to use the older one. It's not exactly official, nor linked to SA in any way, anyone is free to make theirs. We did think having the (then) forum mod as a mod was a good idea, turns out it wasn't.

chaoslord
Jan 28, 2009

Nature Abhors A Vacuum


Going to make another splinter mafia discord and set it up with a casino bot and stream boxing and f1

Sandwolf
Jan 23, 2007

i'll be harpo


chaoslord posted:

Going to make another splinter mafia discord and set it up with a casino bot and stream boxing and f1

Wait a second…

CubicalSucrose
Jan 1, 2013

Phantom my Opera and call me South Park: Bigger, Longer, & Uncut

Jen X posted:

I think the big thing that happens somewhat regularly (or did when I was regularly playing here, mostly 2-5 years back) is that people will press others too hard and it will prompt an emotional rejoinder, especially when the person pressing is doing so in a way that seems unfair or rude

this is usually sorted out by someone leaving the game or conversation cooling off and people taking a break, which is an explicit option under every ruleset and never needs to be justified, but sometimes the person pressing the other is the one being a dick (rather than he person attacked needing to opt out of an emotionally affecting situation) and things can get tricky

this is a tone issue for the most part and I like to think people being warned for being too rude is a thing that happens, but it's worth mentioning because many game runners may be hesitant to interject when things are borderline

Saw some self-awareness in the ongoing Chess Mafia game that made me feel really good.

Tired Moritz posted:

i just realized i might seem a bit rude so please attach this to every post I make in this thread
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKnkQdsITUE

More things like that, if folks get heated.

Sub Rosa
Jun 9, 2010




My understanding was (to Podima's credit) Podima was unmodded from the new Discord only after offering to step down. Which I'm glad happened. If that wasn't the way it went down, cool. Ultimately it did get resolved.

But since Podima is at the center of this conversation, I think that is an episode that needs to come up.

Sandwolf
Jan 23, 2007

i'll be harpo


Sub Rosa posted:

My understanding was (to Podima's credit) Podima was unmodded only after offering to step down. Which I'm glad happened. If that wasn't the way it went down, cool. Ultimately it did get resolved.

But since Podima is at the center of this conversation, I think that is an episode that needs to come up.

You are conflating Podima being removed from his forums position a few days ago and Shellception and I removing him from his discord position a year ago. And being kind of lovely to Shell in the process.

Shellception
Oct 12, 2016

"I'm made up of the memories of my parents and my grandparents, all my ancestors. They're in the way I look, in the colour of my hair. And I'm made up of everyone I've ever met who's changed the way I think"

Sub Rosa posted:

My understanding was (to Podima's credit) Podima was unmodded only after offering to step down. Which I'm glad happened. If that wasn't the way it went down, cool. Ultimately it did get resolved.

But since Podima is at the center of this conversation, I think that is an episode that needs to come up.

Sure. And again, if anyone feels unsure about me and/or someone else wants to admin the Discord, it's all yours.

Sub Rosa
Jun 9, 2010




Sandwolf posted:

You are conflating Podima being removed from his forums position a few days ago and Shellception and I removing him from his discord position a year ago. And being kind of lovely to Shell in the process.
I'm not conflating them, but I do think there are interesting parallels.

Shellception posted:

Sure. And again, if anyone feels unsure about me and/or someone else wants to admin the Discord, it's all yours.
And Shell, sorry if this feels like I'm being lovely like Sandwolf says. Not what I'm trying to go for. I think you're great and do a great job with the Discord and I don't think you should feel a need to recuse yourself.

EccoRaven
Aug 15, 2004

there is only one hell:
the one we live in now

Jump King posted:

I think the only solution is to formally make Ecco the leader

I accept the nomination with grace. I would be an excellent Moderator of Something Awful Mafia.

Cloacamazing!
Apr 18, 2018

Too cute to be evil

Shellception posted:

I'm all for this. If we need names, and apart from the mods themselves, I actually think Voodoo, Hal, Grandi, Opopanax as players that have been here a long time, know basically everyone around the old and new community and are reasonable, levelheaded people can all do a great work on that front. For newer, active people, Cloacamazing!, wologar and HyperCrabTank all started playing in the last year and all are also extremely reasonable people that can be trusted, IMO.

Also nobody get offended I didn't list them, please, lol.

Sandwolf and I take care of the Mafia Discord and both of us are more than willing to listen and help anyone as needed! BUT I feel this is better kept separate from us - concentrating all the control in the same people is never good.

Thanks for the vote of confidence!

I'll say that I have found this a pretty understanding community in general, and while it's become very obvious over the last days that it hasn't always been this way, it currently feels like a good place to be. If anybody needs someone to talk to about anything, issues with people, mafia burnout, etc, feel free to contact me here or on Discord.

STING 64
Oct 20, 2006

I have suggested sandwolf as the IK for mafia threads/games here would there be any issue with that?

Yami Fenrir
Jan 25, 2015

Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?
Sandwolf sounds like a wonderful choice, yes.

wologar
Feb 11, 2014

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Sub Rosa posted:

I'm not conflating them, but I do think there are interesting parallels.

And Shell, sorry if this feels like I'm being lovely like Sandwolf says. Not what I'm trying to go for. I think you're great and do a great job with the Discord and I don't think you should feel a need to recuse yourself.

What are you going for, then? If it's not that, I don't understand your stance.

Pinterest Mom
Jun 9, 2009

Someone upthread made the point that it's probably better to not have one person be "in charge" of both mafia on the forums and of the Discord.

Opopanax
Aug 8, 2007

I HEX YE!!!


Honestly if someone is being a weirdo and/or sex pest it should be loudly reported in here. We're a pretty progressive group and that would likely be the end of it.

If they aren't comfortable then sure they can PM me and I'll do it

wologar
Feb 11, 2014

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STONE COLD 64 posted:

I have suggested sandwolf as the IK for mafia threads/games here would there be any issue with that?

If he wants to, sure.

t a s t e
Sep 6, 2010

STONE COLD 64 posted:

I have suggested sandwolf as the IK for mafia threads/games here would there be any issue with that?

What’s the batting average so far grody

CubicalSucrose
Jan 1, 2013

Phantom my Opera and call me South Park: Bigger, Longer, & Uncut

STONE COLD 64 posted:

I have suggested sandwolf as the IK for mafia threads/games here would there be any issue with that?

Recommend making a separate post in TGR with this explicitly as a post title or something. Feels like a good way to improve process transparency? Since it's just IK maybe do it at the same time since low-stakes, but would be useful to use some of the generally good suggestions that have been thrown out in recent SAD threads.

t a s t e
Sep 6, 2010

Pinterest Mom posted:

Someone upthread made the point that it's probably better to not have one person be "in charge" of both mafia on the forums and of the Discord.

Yeah that’s why I told Jeffrey it should be REDACTED

Opopanax
Aug 8, 2007

I HEX YE!!!


Make Sandwolf the IK but make me the IKK who has direct power over him and him alone

CapitalistPig
Nov 3, 2005

A Winner is you!

STONE COLD 64 posted:

I have suggested sandwolf as the IK for mafia threads/games here would there be any issue with that?

Sandwolf is a rad dude.

Jen X
Sep 29, 2014

To bring light to the darkness, whether that darkness be ignorance, injustice, apathy, or stagnation.
Pmom's right about the whole "don't have the discord leadership be the same as the forums leadership" thing but IKs are IKs so it's probably completely fine

Plus Sandwolf seems like a good dude

Sandwolf
Jan 23, 2007

i'll be harpo


CubicalSucrose posted:

Recommend making a separate post in TGR with this explicitly as a post title or something. Feels like a good way to improve process transparency? Since it's just IK maybe do it at the same time since low-stakes, but would be useful to use some of the generally good suggestions that have been thrown out in recent SAD threads.

agreed, if anyone doesn't want me to be in this position, please reach out to Cena publicly or privately

really, I don't want to do this, but I've always liked that SA Maf had a liaison. if you folks want me to, then I will.

alternatively,

Pinterest Mom posted:

Someone upthread made the point that it's probably better to not have one person be "in charge" of both mafia on the forums and of the Discord.

this isn't a bad point. We don't actually do much of anything there but I can understand why it'd make folks uncomfortable.

STING 64
Oct 20, 2006

Pinterest Mom posted:

Someone upthread made the point that it's probably better to not have one person be "in charge" of both mafia on the forums and of the Discord.

To quote someone i know, i think that's fair

wologar
Feb 11, 2014

නෝනාවරුනි

Sandwolf posted:

really, I don't want to do this

Then don't, lol.

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t a s t e
Sep 6, 2010

STONE COLD 64 posted:

To quote someone i know, i think that's fair

Lol

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