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HD DAD posted:You joke, but Matalas said in an interview a bit ago that he tried really hard to work Naomi Wildman into this season, but couldn’t make it work. lol oh god i can't i imagine how terrible that was if this is the stuff that he thought does work
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So clearly it’s someone known.
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HD DAD posted:You joke, but Matalas said in an interview a bit ago that he tried really hard to work Naomi Wildman into this season, but couldn’t make it work. Does he really think that all the poo poo like Moriarty or Mega-Data does work? I got news for ya, Terry, it wouldn't have made a difference either way.
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Gaz-L posted:Yeah, Taear seems to be operating under the idea that the Changelings are like Jedi and if one dies, they psychically feel it, and I never got the sense that was the case. Drop and ocean and all that, but when the drop is not in the ocean, it doesn't have like homeopathic resonance or whatever. It's a separate being that could die and the ocean would never know until it was told. Like, it's not like they knew what happened to Odo until he came back. No. The founders consider themselves gods. They also see every other founder as extremely precious and important. They drill this into us loads and loads. This even applies to Odo and other foundings. 9 founders who are just MISSING in the alpha quadrant would be a massive deal to them. How the hell did section 31 capture 9 founders? The way Vadic acts though is like she is a foundling and not a founder. So why not tell us this? Why wouldn't she have memories of before if she was a founder? It doesn't take much to explain it but the way it's left now is another example of them not having watched DS9 or understanding how things worked in it. It's not as ridiculous as how they treat the virus though
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HD DAD posted:
His mother would be pleased? What, is it the sex candle ghost?
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HD DAD posted:Speaking of Matalas interviews, a new one just dropped where he has this to say about Vadic’s boss. i'm me?
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HD DAD posted:Speaking of Matalas interviews, a new one just dropped where he has this to say about Vadic’s boss. Holy poo poo it's Gul Dukat Comedy option: it's the ooze monster that killed Tasha Yarr
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I’m gonna call it - Face Boss is __Sela__. It just makes sense because they’re one of the few TNG villains that didn’t really get a conclusion. Also it’s a TNG reunion, and having Crosby pop up one last time sounds like something Matalas can’t resist. It would also tie into the Romulan plot from S1, and also didn’t Denise Crosby herself say Tasha gets a reference somehow this season?
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HD DAD posted:I’m gonna call it - Face Boss is __Sela__. It just makes sense because they’re one of the few TNG villains that didn’t really get a conclusion. Also it’s a TNG reunion, and having Crosby pop up one last time sounds like something Matalas can’t resist. It would also tie into the Romulan plot from S1, and also didn’t Denise Crosby herself say Tasha gets a reference somehow this season? At least this would legit tie back to TNG
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Apr 1, 2023 16:08
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its praetor tomalak the supernova really hosed him up
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I'm still pretty confident it's DaiMon Bok
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Taear posted:No. The founders consider themselves gods. They also see every other founder as extremely precious and important. They drill this into us loads and loads. This even applies to Odo and other foundings. Now that we know Vadic and her birds are actual Changelings, her killing one of her crew makes less than no sense. When I thought they were solids who had been turned into Changelings, I could rationalise it away. But knowing they are capital F 'Founders' and how highly they revere themselves, no. It makes no goddamn sense.
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It being Sela would make sense (I don't see the point in spoiler-tagging speculation) in that the voice effect they're using is pitched pretty low in the classic 'lol, your internal bias made you think it was a guy!' trick that movies always do, so guessing it's a woman/femme-presenting person is pretty likely, and she'd be one of like 2 options that would make any sense.
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Megillah Gorilla posted:Now that we know Vadic and her birds are actual Changelings, her killing one of her crew makes less than no sense. Maybe that one specific bird guy was a Breen intern
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Apr 1, 2023 17:15
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Somehow, Tashar Yar returned.
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Gangster Planet villainy
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Megillah Gorilla posted:Now that we know Vadic and her birds are actual Changelings, her killing one of her crew makes less than no sense. BECAUSE SHE'S CRAAAAAAZY serious answer: I've watched that scene multiple times and I still don't loving get it. Why does she shoot the other two Changelings? Maybe they are Starfleet Security? Why would Starfleet security be okay with an Admiral being brutally interrogated in front of them? TulliusCicero fucked around with this message at 17:47 on Apr 1, 2023 |
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HD DAD posted:You joke, but Matalas said in an interview a bit ago that he tried really hard to work Naomi Wildman into this season, but couldn’t make it work. I don’t get why there seems to be so much Voyager reverence in nuTrek. Prodigy is practically Voyager 2 and the first season of Picard relied pretty heavily on Voyager plot threads. I was hoping for some DS9 follow up but uh..actually maybe they should stick with Voyager.
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Voyager stuff is easier to work in than DS9 because it's mostly enjoyable and the parts you pull out are sort of fluffy. DS9, I mean, here we are lol. Also it's just a popular show.
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Plus Voyager was essentially just TNG seasons 8-14, just with a cheaper cast.
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I'm surprised they just didn't make the bird people another race the Founders or the splinter group uplifted and programmed them to believe that the Founders were gods.
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From that same Collider interview, talking about the scene where Beverly and Picard just decide to be executioners:quote:MATALAS: “I’m still not crazy about the scene and we had a whole debate about how wrong it was for the characters in the writer’s room, but gently caress it we did it anyway.” This writer’s room also apparently wrote the season under the incorrect assumption that Section 31 is a literal part of Starfleet Intelligence and that there was an actual vote on using the morphogenic virus which Picard may have been a part of. quote:MATALAS: This is the problem with Disco and other new shows formalizing Section 31’s bullshit. We’re told in DS9 that S31 is completely autonomous and rogue and has been for like 200 years. Occasionally members of Starfleet Command will work with them but for the most part they do their own thing. S31 created the virus independently. Bashir discovered the cure independently. The Federation Council did get involved and have a debate over giving the Founders the cure but we’re never told anything about a vote on using the virus itself. And given how independent Sloane and his team seemed to be, I have a whole lot of trouble imagining them inviting random Captains at the time like Picard to sit at the table and debate genocide before making a decision on whether to use it. It just seems like an insane writing stretch made purely so you’d have a flimsy excuse for a DS9 villain to be swearing revenge against a TNG character.
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Eighties ZomCom posted:I'm surprised they just didn't make the bird people another race the Founders or the splinter group uplifted and programmed them to believe that the Founders were gods. That would require watching DS9 and understanding the Dominion. I agree though: uplifted modified servitor Chozo would make sense, and is a way better idea. TulliusCicero fucked around with this message at 18:11 on Apr 1, 2023 |
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Somebody else in the thread mentioned it at the time, but I still really want to know what was up with Riker's "how much of that goo did they pour into you" line. When they showed Vadic in the flashbacks, the framing at the time made me feel like she was actually consuming or somehow otherwise absorbing/over-writing the doctor. But then they cleared that concept away with a weird, quick expositional aside from Picard.
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Picard was a loving Captain stationed mostly in Romulan/ Klingon space during the Dominion War, how the hell would he even vote on the Council? Terry did you even watch the shows you worked on?
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I don't really buy that Sloane and a handful of pals came up with a virus so potent that the Dominion couldn't cure it, or successfully installed an agent into the Romulan Senate. The top bits of Starfleet Command know they exist and if we assume there is no formal support structure then the only plausible way they can operate is if they have warrants that let them commandeer any bit of Starfleet they want at any time, no questions asked. Also I think it undermines the thematic point of Section 31 if they are completely independent. The point is that our heroes have to confront the idea that the Federation is willing to turn a blind eye/be complicit in its agents getting their hands incredibly dirty when things get tough.
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Alchenar posted:I don't really buy that Sloane and a handful of pals came up with a virus so potent that the Dominion couldn't cure it, or successfully installed an agent into the Romulan Senate. The top bits of Starfleet Command know they exist and if we assume there is no formal support structure then the only plausible way they can operate is if they have warrants that let them commandeer any bit of Starfleet they want at any time, no questions asked. Even with all this in mind, the idea that Picard and other captains would have even been privy to a potential debate about whether to use the virus, and thus partly at fault for Vadic’s past, is both insane and a flat out incorrect reading of what we’re told about Section 31 in DS9.
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The big bad is Lwaxana Troi. This whole thing was just an excuse to kidnap Deanna and spend a little quality time, since she doesn't call her mother enough.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Even with all this in mind, the idea that Picard and other captains would have even been privy to a potential debate about whether to use the virus, and thus partly at fault for Vadic’s past, is both insane and a flat out incorrect reading of what we’re told about Section 31 in DS9. It's also falling very much into that trap of Picard being as important in the world of Trek as he is to us as viewers. Like, yes, he does very heroic things, but he's not Important in the sense of having a voice on the Fed council or whatever. It feels like the "and then the protagonist hits the baseball into the basket to score the winning touchdown, checkmate!" kind of writing where someone doesn't know how a military structure works and assumes everyone else knows as little as they do.
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Powered Descent posted:The big bad is Lwaxana Troi. This whole thing was just an excuse to kidnap Deanna and spend a little quality time, since she doesn't call her mother enough. Side note: I am reading Q in Law as someone in the thread suggested and some aliens turn up and make fun of Wesley for being a virgin. Then a slave girl shows up naked in his quarters and an ensign makes fun of Wesley for not sleeping with her. It’s presumed Chief O’Brien gave her access to his quarters, as a joke. Not sure how the Q/Lwaxana relationship goes, it’s not exactly a pageturner. Does Wesley finally have sex? I will find out.
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angerbeet posted:Side note: I am reading Q in Law as someone in the thread suggested and some aliens turn up and make fun of Wesley for being a virgin. Then a slave girl shows up naked in his quarters and an ensign makes fun of Wesley for not sleeping with her. It’s presumed Chief O’Brien gave her access to his quarters, as a joke. Not sure how the Q/Lwaxana relationship goes, it’s not exactly a pageturner. Ah, the inspiration for the engineer from Lower Decks.
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Gaz-L posted:It's also falling very much into that trap of Picard being as important in the world of Trek as he is to us as viewers. Like, yes, he does very heroic things, but he's not Important in the sense of having a voice on the Fed council or whatever. It feels like the "and then the protagonist hits the baseball into the basket to score the winning touchdown, checkmate!" kind of writing where someone doesn't know how a military structure works and assumes everyone else knows as little as they do. It also contradicts what we saw in season one of Picard, where he give the council an ultimatum where they either help the Romulan refugees or he quits Starfleet and they're like, 
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Eighties ZomCom posted:It also contradicts what we saw in season one of Picard, where he give the council an ultimatum where they either help the Romulan refugees or he quits Starfleet and they're like, And he was an admiral then! So you can at least argue he had more political clout! gently caress that interview makes Matalas seem stupid. Like, fine, you wanna do the Bev/Picard scene where they debate killing Vadic and decide to do so as parents. It's very against both their characters, but I can at least see what you're trying to get at. But that falls apart if Picard was complicit in trying to genocide the Founders because it's not betraying his principles then! (And yes, while the implication was that it hadn't killed any yet, it was definitely intended to be fatal)
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Big Mean Jerk posted:From that same Collider interview, talking about the scene where Beverly and Picard just decide to be executioners: i hate that he keeps falling back on the conceit that "it's a different kind of story" even if that were true the nostalgic bullshit is cranked to 11. it's not trying to be different until suddenly it is, but only when it matters
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Gaz-L posted:gently caress that interview makes Matalas seem stupid. Every interview Matalas as done for this show makes him seem profoundly stupid though...
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