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armpit_enjoyer posted:That was the only phone I ever had that would crash when receiving a phone call. someone missed out on the glory days of windows mobile
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the big lie: maybe this android phone will be good
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nrook posted:the big lie: maybe this android phone will be good playing with an iphone recently, the app library/app drawer stuff is awful, you still don't have a back button, the keyboard sucks, and the ecosystem was kind of terrible beyond a few vaguely interesting apps that only really run properly on an ipad with a pencil paying more should not result in you getting less android is lovely and inefficient but i can't think of a situation where i'd ever do anything serious that gives a poo poo about memory or cpu on a phone -- its for checking stuff, consuming stuff and to play modem for my laptop i think smartphones are very helpful but at the end of the day they're still just smartphones maybe fixing the os nonsense could change that but i think its more of a limitation of the way you have to interact with them humans are still greasy monkeys who stare at rectangles all day
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Expo70 posted:playing with an iphone recently, the app library/app drawer stuff is awful, you still don't have a back button, the keyboard sucks, and the ecosystem was kind of terrible beyond a few vaguely interesting apps that only really run properly on an ipad with a pencil What do you mean there's no back button? If you need to switch from the app you're currently on to the one you were on previously, you can swipe up and you can see the app switcher, where you can choose just how far back you need to go on previous apps you were using. Also, if you change from one app to another because of a notification, there will also be a button in the upper-left corner with the previous app's name and a back button if you want a one-touch way to get back where you were. Also, I can't imagine what you are thinking trying to say that the android keyboard is somehow better than the iPhone's. Android people have gotten so used to their atrocious, barely-useable UI that they have a hard time using a phone whose interface doesn't suck.
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Apr 15, 2023 16:22
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Oh nooooo you don't need this very obviously useful and simple thing. Here is a gesture instead. (Btw Android also has an app switcher) Android sucks but you apple bros are brainwashed.
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i like the new gestures in android. they remind me of Meego on the N9
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i had a handspring visor as a teenager, and it was a delightful device. very limited, but at the same time the ui was consistent, usable, and discoverable, and there was a constantly expanding ecosystem of neat software to play with. every once in a while i dust it off, pop in some AAA batteries and fiddle with it for telecommunication purposes i made do with a nokia brickphone for many, many years. it was not pleasant, but it was adequate and unsurprising one day i got an ipod touch essentially for free, and i was shocked at how terrible and non-discoverable every aspect of its ui was. the display, battery life, storage, durability and compute power of the hardware outclassed my visor in every respect, but the software was a horrible carbuncle of inconsistency and hobbled functionality. i could not believe anyone tolerated this years later i tried an android tablet for the first time, and i immediately realized that as insanely lovely as iOS is, android is worse along every axis; just a hellfucked disaster it is terrifying how much time so many people spend on devices with absolute rock-bottom user interfaces. no fuckin wonder the average person has basically nonexistent computer literacy when as an industry we have lost both the ability and the desire to teach
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why would I press a button when I could just… swipe back?
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Mega Comrade posted:Oh nooooo you don't need this very obviously useful and simple thing. Here is a gesture instead. gesture controls are one of those things i always turn off asap
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Apr 15, 2023 16:40
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Same. Gestures have become the 'default ' on the lastest android versions. But as long as I have the option I will cling to my trusty back button.
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i never thought i'd see someone defend the android ui. every android person i know irl is either the contrarian type that calls everyone who owns an apple phone "fanboys," very price sensitive, or doesn't care at all and got a free android phone five years ago and is just rolling with it. ngl it's kind of unsettling
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phone were fully commoditized by like 2015 for peeps who dont have to care too much about security, so those two billion peeps just go for the cheapest
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Internet Janitor posted:carbuncle good word.
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Internet Janitor posted:it is terrifying how much time so many people spend on devices with absolute rock-bottom user interfaces. no fuckin wonder the average person has basically nonexistent computer literacy when as an industry we have lost both the ability and the desire to teach agreed yeah but one does not follow from the other. it's the same as complaining that Kids These Days can't drive stick or change their own oil. people didn't learn how to use DOS and configure Windows because they loved screwing around with computers, they learned how to do those things because they had poo poo to do and Windows was in the way.
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Apr 15, 2023 17:00
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Sapozhnik posted:people didn't learn how to use DOS and configure Windows because they loved screwing around with computers, they learned how to do those things because they had poo poo to do and Windows was in the way. I assume you mean normal people and not, for example, everyone in this forum
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if we're going to torture car analogies it'd be like if car manufacturers spent decades developing refined, tactile knobs and switches to control the features of cars based on careful ergonomic research, and then at some point just started replacing everything with touchscreens because they're cheap and look fancy, and meanwhile half of the poo poo doesn't even work anymore, and physical aspects of your car started being disabled on a subscription basis oh wait
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Sapozhnik posted:people didn't learn how to use DOS and configure Windows because they loved screwing around with computers, they learned how to do those things because they had poo poo to do and Windows was in the way. i mean, i did, but i post in yospos you give a curious kid a big opaque machine like that and they will absolutely pull it apart to figure it out if they have nothing better to do Internet Janitor posted:i had a handspring visor as a teenager, and it was a delightful device. very limited, but at the same time the ui was consistent, usable, and discoverable, and there was a constantly expanding ecosystem of neat software to play with. every once in a while i dust it off, pop in some AAA batteries and fiddle with it i will defend a lot about ios as a phone os, in terms of being able to provide a consistently functional phone but the ui has been a trash fire for a solid decade now specifically because they have to cram every conceivable kind of interaction into it as a generalized information appliance. the early versions of ios were a lot better for discoverability because they were relatively feature limited and you could present all the options in a fairly logical and obvious way
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post hole digger posted:I assume you mean normal people and not, for example, everyone in this forum actually i mean people itt as well if my first computer was an ipad and not some crappy home computer with BASIC on it then i probably wouldn't have become a computer toucher. here was a new toy, i had to find some way to entertain myself with it, guess i'll dick around writing BASIC programs since that's literally all this thing can be used for. if it was an ipad i'd have probably watched spiderman pregnant elsa tooth surgery garbage on youtube instead idk.
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i personally prefer android because the pixel Just Works as well as an iphone and im less locked into a stupid ecosystem with it. also it has a very easy universal back "button" of sorts (pull from left edge, also has an equivalent for forward) and on every iphone ive used i had to learn how to go back for each individual app and just lol
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ime convergence has just meant doing everything, worse. the convenience comes with significant tradeoffs
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LanceHunter posted:What do you mean there's no back button? If you need to switch from the app you're currently on to the one you were on previously, you can swipe up and you can see the app switcher, where you can choose just how far back you need to go on previous apps you were using. Also, if you change from one app to another because of a notification, there will also be a button in the upper-left corner with the previous app's name and a back button if you want a one-touch way to get back where you were. I handle both. Android is less consistent and generally more flawed per app, but overall the system user systems are better. if you don't task-switch and you don't get upset at ecosystems, go apple if you task switch like, a lot and you care about having any amount of control over your own hardware, go android let's be real: the problem isn't apple vs android, its the entire smartphone platform
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The main problem with android is every brand has to try and put their spin and identity on it. So If you go from say a Samsung to a Motorola you have to figure out all the different icons and names for basic apps. And then of course you have google changing default messaging apps every 6 months.
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if you're using android you should be using either a pixel (if you care) or the literal cheapest thing you can find (if you don't)
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Mega Comrade posted:The main problem with android is every brand has to try and put their spin and identity on it. So If you go from say a Samsung to a Motorola you have to figure out all the different icons and names for basic apps.
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Sapozhnik posted:actually i mean people itt as well when i was in elementary school, i didn't have a computer of my own, or even access to a computer. some of my (richer) friends had computers i'd get to see occasionally, and most of them had game boys and game consoles. no one i knew could program there was a palpable hunger among many kids my age to make stuff like what we saw on those screens. drawing elaborate levels for fictional games on paper and describing the intricacies of what they'd be like was a common activity. in many ways, the things we could draw on paper weren't that different from the experiences you could buy on a game cartridge; the gulf is certainly much wider today i'd like to hope that today's kids have a hunger to create as well, but perhaps some of it is diffused into prepackaged creativity vessel products like minecraft, or discouraged by locked-down devices and platforms
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the one thing i can't wrap my head around is how samsung is so popular. the stuff they add to android slows the devices to a crawl and works like poo poo. their phones feel cheap for the most part. if you can get their market share with the stuff they release, imagine what you could do if you put out something that actually worked well (and then backed it up with marketing as well, i guess)
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The one thing I can't get my head around about Samsung is why, if you were determined to spend as much money on a phone as possible, you wouldn't get an iphone I hope this doesn't result in a lot of angry android users yelling "but we deserve expensive things too" at me like when I occasionally make the mistake of posting in the Chromebook thread
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hugely popular in gulf arab countries who hate america for deec reasons same w se asia, etc etc they're commodity. its like coke vs pepsi now
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bob dobbs is dead posted:hugely popular in gulf arab countries who hate america for deec reasons I will admit that I was thinking more about people in US like one coworker I had who was always had to have the latest samsung phone inexplicably
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it doesnt work that well, us software hegemony is pretty complete lol. much like how gulf arab countries disdain coke in favor of... pepsi anyone use tizen? answer is no. and tizen lead is an american anyways bob dobbs is dead fucked around with this message at 17:42 on Apr 15, 2023 |
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Mega Comrade posted:The main problem with android is every brand has to try and put their spin and identity on it. So If you go from say a Samsung to a Motorola you have to figure out all the different icons and names for basic apps. Or do what normal people do and dump/disable all the defaults and run stuff you actually like consistently and then throw some basic theming on if you even give a poo poo about any of the visual differences even apple's default apps are just not that great once you get over the integration and they're inherently anti-competitive so you don't get to try alternatives to them last time i checked so if there's like, a feature you would like to have and don't, get hosed i guess? i don't like that
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tizen is based on loving Enlightenment and the horror stories of devs who have to tizen are great
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Sapozhnik posted:actually i mean people itt as well interesting thought. I agree with it more than I originally thought. although there are more outlets for creative energy on devices than actually messing with os configs, programming it, etc…, games existed back then too and I don’t think passive consumption of YouTube videos or w/e will really sate the curiosity of kids who just like fiddling with stuff. I had cable tv as a kid, but I still wanted to mess around on my parents windows 3.1 computer with no internet, and wanted to mess around even more once we got the internet. is there less to tinker with on an iPad these days compared to a pac bell in 1997? I’m not sure I also came of age where a computer was still this novel special thing and most kids probably don’t see it that way anymore because they are so integrated into every facet of everyday life, which I think is part of it too. post hole digger fucked around with this message at 17:43 on Apr 15, 2023 |
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Achmed Jones posted:if you're using android you should be using either a pixel (if you care) or the literal cheapest thing you can find (if you don't) or a OnePlus 9 or 9 Pro -- lots of lineages devs for that phone
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i don't think "normal people" theme their phones in any meaningful way beyond changing their lock screen and wallpaper
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The true best option is to root your phone and put lineageOs on it  EricBauman posted:the one thing i can't wrap my head around is how samsung is so popular. They spend more on advertisement than almost all other android brands put together. mystes posted:Haven't the interfaces have gotten way more consistent over time? I feel like now as long as you don't use the default launcher you won't even notice the difference (I use KISS because I absolutely hate organizing icons). Google have been more strict on the main settings over time yes. But its still pretty inconsistent.
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"ahh yes let me root my phone so i can install a custom operating system, this is reasonable behavior that should be generally recommended to others"
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mystes posted:The one thing I can't get my head around about Samsung is why, if you were determined to spend as much money on a phone as possible, you wouldn't get an iphone my sister has one of the new folding samsungs and its an absolute piece of poo poo and i dont know why she has it
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The idea of folding phones at least appeals to me even if their actual state does not If it wasn't expensive and worked perfectly I would love something that was pocket sized but then could open up to have a bigger screen
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