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MockingQuantum posted:I don't know if it's because he's a good player and that's scary or whatever but it does kind of weird me out just how much of d1 discussion centers around binus in the games I've played with him, how do you even play against that regardless of what team you're on if you think that's bad, shift discussion to something you think is scummy.
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This whole discussion feels a bit off, tbh, though I can't put my finger on that off is.
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May 4, 2023 17:41
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Sandwolf posted:no one said this ah my mistake, that's how I read " imo it's easiest to just presume he's scum", my apologies for misunderstanding
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May 4, 2023 17:41
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Capitalist Pig is scum please vote capitalist pig thank you
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May 4, 2023 17:42
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Sandwolf posted:if you think that's bad, shift discussion to something you think is scummy. I mean I effectively did, I think the votes on binus because his posting is in some way scummy despite looking like every recent game I've seen him in, is suspicious
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May 4, 2023 17:45
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MockingQuantum posted:I mean I effectively did, I think the votes on binus because his posting is in some way scummy despite looking like every recent game I've seen him in, is suspicious You do remember he was scum for a bunch of those games, yes?
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May 4, 2023 17:49
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MockingQuantum posted:ah my mistake, that's how I read " imo it's easiest to just presume he's scum", my apologies for misunderstanding Presume he’s scum, rather than bothering with if he’s 3P or town with an ortho-win-con explaining his weirdness. I am not defaulting to binus being scum, evidenced by the fact that I wrote a loving case.
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May 4, 2023 17:51
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I don't really have the experience to comment on meta reads, and I think generally they're not great cases, but I'm pretty convinced that sandwolf is town
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May 4, 2023 17:52
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Sandwolf posted:Presume he’s scum, rather than bothering with if he’s 3P or town with an ortho-win-con explaining his weirdness. I am not defaulting to binus being scum, evidenced by the fact that I wrote a loving case. yes, I apologize, I misunderstood.
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May 4, 2023 17:58
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Votecount for Day 1  saladscooper (3): Maugrim, Green Wing, PlasticAutomaton, fool of sound, shwinnebego, b-minus1 (2): Green Wing, Sandwolf CubicalSucrose (2): Cloacamazing!, CapitalistPig (1): CapitalistPig, fool of sound (1): PlasticAutomaton, shwinnebego (1): Green Wing, Green Wing (1): Yami Fenrir, saladscooper, CapitalistPig, Maugrim (1): b-minus1, CapitalistPig, Toalpaz (1): Illusionis, Mr. Humalong, Sandwolf (0): Mr. Humalong, MockingQuantum (0): b-minus1, Cloacamazing! (0): CapitalistPig, Illusionis (0): shwinnebego, saladscooper, Tired Moritz (0): saladscooper, Cloacamazing!, Yami Fenrir (0): Illusionis, Not Voting (4): CubicalSucrose, MockingQuantum, Tired Moritz, ToalpazWith 17 alive, it's 9 votes to execute. The current deadline is May 04th, 2023 at 9 p.m. UTC -- that's in about 4 hours.
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May 4, 2023 17:59
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Sorry I usually swear for emphasis but I know it comes off as really hostile, I apologize if it came across that way.
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May 4, 2023 18:02
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Sandwolf posted:Sorry I usually swear for emphasis but I know it comes off as really hostile, I apologize if it came across that way. nah I'm the dummy here, I should have slowed down and read a little closer
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May 4, 2023 18:03
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My time is going to be limited as we approach deadline so just generally: happy to vote, in order of priority: salad>cpig>maybe illu ambivalent but willing to vote: cubical, toal (but mostly because they always read like scum to me), moritz, huma, green wing? resistant to voting: yami, plastic, maugrim, binus, cloaca won't vote: sandwolf, quantum, probably shwin
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May 4, 2023 18:04
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I won't be voting binus even though he's tunnelling me, consider it penance for accidentally shooting him N1 in my last (first) game He was scum so I'm not THAT sorry about it, but I was aiming at toal
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May 4, 2023 18:07
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Just got off work and the upshot of what I've seen so far today is that honestly, I'm more confident about my binus vote than before, largely on the same basis that I put down the vote originally, that has been echoed by others - townreads a'plenty, scumreads a'few. I do feel bad for somebody that leaves games early a lot, but in the last game we were in together he made it longer so I don't feel too bad, and this scummy impression that only increased since I was last able to read the thread. That's good enough for a D1 vote in my eyes.
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May 4, 2023 18:09
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Maugrim posted:I won't be voting binus even though he's tunnelling me, consider it penance for accidentally shooting him N1 in my last (first) game what the hell
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May 4, 2023 18:09
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Maugrim posted:I won't be voting binus even though he's tunnelling me, consider it penance for accidentally shooting him N1 in my last (first) game oh did he die N1 in pinball? I must be misremembering how long he lasted there. Eesh I was checked out in that game.
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May 4, 2023 18:10
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Tired Moritz posted:I will not vote scum Wing for now until I get to test my meta read of her absolutely itching to know what this is, btw. You'd better tell me at some point or after the game.
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May 4, 2023 18:10
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fool of sound posted:My time is going to be limited as we approach deadline so just generally: i'm strongly aligned with your scum reads which is itself sorta suspicious but either way vote capitalist pig
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May 4, 2023 18:11
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Green Wing posted:oh did he die N1 in pinball? I must be misremembering how long he lasted there. I was also *scum with him that game* and *kept telling him he wasn’t making enough scumreads* and that his scumtell is *makes town reads the way he usually makes scumreads* But no, ignore me, what do I know. I’ve only been playing with the guy for a decade.
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May 4, 2023 18:11
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Sandwolf posted:I was also *scum with him that game* and *kept telling him he wasn’t making enough scumreads* and that his scumtell is *makes town reads the way he usually makes scumreads* I'm not ignoring you, I said I would be voting for him today.
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May 4, 2023 18:12
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I'm agreeing with you, friend.
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May 4, 2023 18:12
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I only said I'd feel less bad about it because he lasted longer in that game - but he actually didn't...but the scum read feeling I have is too strong so I'll just feel bad about it and live with it. Sic transit gloria mafii.
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May 4, 2023 18:13
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Green Wing posted:I'm not ignoring you, I said I would be voting for him today. I’m talking to the newbies! lol
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May 4, 2023 18:14
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Okay have a qualification to my previous post, I'll be here for deadline and will hammer anyone, binus included, to prevent no execute.
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May 4, 2023 18:15
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Oh, aha. Right, sorry 
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May 4, 2023 18:15
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I’m happy to report that I am town in this game
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May 4, 2023 18:16
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PlasticAutomaton posted:This whole discussion feels a bit off, tbh, though I can't put my finger on that off is. I’m being tunneled
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May 4, 2023 18:17
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Well, so much for my "binus didn't directly say he was town, he just quoted someone like in Stellaris 2" point
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Decided to read cpig, largely because Maugrim has him down as the most preferred vote and I don't see it. Cpig was right that my vote was the weakest on salad, and looking back on it now I think I was a bit too hasty there anyway, and I don't hate the shwinn vote either. It seems like normal scumhunting, modulo D1.
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May 4, 2023 18:18
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Cloacamazing! posted:Well, so much for my "binus didn't directly say he was town, he just quoted someone like in Stellaris 2" point I would never lie about something like that
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MockingQuantum posted:chuckles aside, yes I don't often voice suspicions d1 because as much as we all love jokephase---and we really do love it, don't we, folks---I think d1 meta reads are either bunk and no more likely to be right than a coin flip, or i'm just too new/bad/dumb to make good meta reads I really do not like the *amount* of reads in this one post - and not just because I'm in the scumread pile. It's a common scum tactic to put in a scumbuddy among the scumreads, and this is just...so many vague reads. It's whitenoise. And it uses the D1 smokescreen to give coverage for those reads - and then gives *even more reads* in the lower pile. Scattershot, white noise, wide-field interference-running. Whatever you want to call it, this post is giving me strong alarm bells. Putting this much suspicion out there allows for this post to be drawn out at a later time on a tactic of convenience, or a bussing if necessary. I would go so far to say that for this post alone, Quantum is my #2 preferred vote today.
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Sandwolf posted:I was also *scum with him that game* and *kept telling him he wasn’t making enough scumreads* and that his scumtell is *makes town reads the way he usually makes scumreads* hmmmmm
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May 4, 2023 18:25
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i feel i would like to demand something in return for voting for binus with sandwolf but what
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Green Wing posted:I really do not like the *amount* of reads in this one post - and not just because I'm in the scumread pile. It's a common scum tactic to put in a scumbuddy among the scumreads, and this is just...so many vague reads. It's whitenoise. And it uses the D1 smokescreen to give coverage for those reads - and then gives *even more reads* in the lower pile. QM getting called out again for not adhering to SA mafia best practices, don't like this at all.
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Green Wing posted:so many vague reads. It's whitenoise. welcome to my d1 posting, I wouldn't have even given the reads if someone hadn't pointed out I didn't express an opinion that I was too quiet about who I suspected standing firmly by my opinion that d1 reads are nonsense anyway, including my own
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May 4, 2023 18:26
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shwinnebego posted:i feel i would like to demand something in return for voting for binus with sandwolf but what I have nothing of value to give in this life or the next
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May 4, 2023 18:27
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I do find it interesting that plastic has basically done jack poo poo this game but jump on a bandwagon and defend b- on flimsy reasoning so far.
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May 4, 2023 18:27
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CubicalSucrose posted:QM getting called out again for not adhering to SA mafia best practices, don't like this at all. yah Quantum is a newer player who is just posting lots of reads to generate content. towny behavior, or if MQ is scum then this is an earnest and pretty good impression of how they'd scumhunt as town Green Wing is reading them incorrectly through the lens of what constitutes "good" town play, but that doesn't mean Green Wing is scum
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CubicalSucrose posted:QM getting called out again for not adhering to SA mafia best practices, don't like this at all. This is a bad faith reading of my post! I don't care or adhere to SA mafia best practices, I overpost my thoughts and jump around with my votes all over. This is me saying - hey, this is scummy and this is why. Very bad faith dismissal of what I said!
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