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Sapozhnik posted:there is no such thing as a prototype
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bob dobbs is dead posted:youtube has been materially rewritten and so had reddit. and reddit had disgusting perf and uptime problems for decades, almost all attributable to their eav db schema Most companies could use Django until they encompass one of the largest websites on earth before they have to refactor then? 
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kinda a yogi berra-ism but performance doesnt matter until it does
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python is an ok language because it provides decent abstractions for writing readable and maintainable code, unlike say c or go where the language is hostile to the idea of abstraction at all, or c++ or lisp where people get so obsessed with abstraction that they end up writing completely inscrutable poo poo.
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I think you're all forgetting that EVE Online is written in Python which definitely speaks to its quality and ability to build large applications. lol
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Just a Moron posted:I think you're all forgetting that EVE Online is written in Python which definitely speaks to its quality and ability to build large applications. I don't think anybody is advocating for writing games or performance-critical applications in Python.
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If I remember my Eve lore right, they simply wouldn't have made a functional game in time in a language they were less familiar with. Getting stuck on an old version of Stackless Python was terrible, though.
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the game was shipped and has been, presumably, a financial success for like 20 years. seems good to me.
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games programming is cool because you do the interview and they throw you some horseshit like "invert a b tree in place" and unlike "software" engineering if you press them they will explain that this was a real problem for the company because it had to run inside the xbox controller which has the wrong kind of ram
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eve being python rules because it makes it extremely easy to reverse engineer and programmatically manipulate
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Just a Moron posted:I think you're all forgetting that EVE Online is written in Python which definitely speaks to its quality and ability to build large applications. not just python *stackless* python
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May 5, 2023 00:14
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the eve online programmers making a bad decision does not denigrate the usefulness of the thing they built upon source: every loving software application built forever into infinity but also: god i hate these dialogs
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basically the only useful software is built in raw c or assembly with no network access or nonenglish internationalization and anything else built on top of that is a hellworld am i getting that right? there is no good programming
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no. the computer is mostly good. and so is the programming. including javascript
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12 rats tied together posted:no. the computer is mostly good. and so is the programming. including javascript  
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odd that the thread called "terrible programming" is sometimes down on the concept as a whole
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12 rats tied together posted:no. the computer is mostly good. and so is the programming. including javascript [while scribbling notes] and how do the gun and the penis rank
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quiggy posted:[while scribbling notes] and how do the gun and the penis rank lmao i'll get my briefs n boots
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i would like to remind everybody itt that they are posting on a forum written in PHP 4 with i think register_globals enabled php is so atrociously bad that it is the entire reason why wafs exist. at least that's my headcanon.
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FlapYoJacks posted:casting everything to void * is what enlightenment did and then Samsung forked enlightenment to make Tizen so every object with TizenOS is a void *. Or it used to be, perhaps they cleaned it up over the years. Microsoft called their void* HANDLE.
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does PHP still let you ignore errors with the @ symbol? because I loved that.
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lifg posted:does PHP still let you ignore errors with the @ symbol? because I loved that. C# lets you say "nah fam it's not null just trust me" with ! and it owns
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12 rats tied together posted:the game was shipped and has been, presumably, a financial success for like 20 years. I should clarify that I love EVE, I think it's great. But I've gotten the impression over the years that it running in python has been a consistent source of technical debt that they have to overcome.
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Just a Moron posted:I should clarify that I love EVE, I think it's great. But I've gotten the impression over the years that it running in python has been a consistent source of technical debt that they have to overcome. it's a shame that keeps getting in the way of them becoming insanely profitable... oh.
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Today I ran into an amazing problem in LabVIEW. They have an event structure that you can setup to register and react to changes in variable state. What makes it beautiful, is that it only reacts to changes to variable state that are initiated from the GUI. So if a value is changed within your program, for example an external program modifying the variable over a network interface, the event handler ignores it. Naturally, this distinction isn't documented anywhere, isn't that great?
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labviews wikipedia page has a section on the inability to zoom
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nudgenudgetilt posted:it's a shame that keeps getting in the way of them becoming insanely profitable... oh. They're profitable because they built a great game, but they're constantly running into performance problems. I guess that could be inevitable due to the single server architecture, but running in python probably doesn't help.
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bob dobbs is dead posted:labviews wikipedia page has a section on the inability to zoom Don't get me started on the zoom nonsense.
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Just a Moron posted:They're profitable because they built a great game, but they're constantly running into performance problems. I guess that could be inevitable due to the single server architecture, but running in python probably doesn't help. Unlike those other games that don’t have performance issues and are coded in C++ like CP2027 or Jedi Survivor or Destiny 2.
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Just a Moron posted:Don't get me started on the zoom nonsense. i think its come up on this thread like 6 or 7 times, the implementation on pixels thing
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eve "running into performance problems" is typically because they want to have thousands of players interacting with each other in a single instance, instead of having instanced content or forcibly dividing players between servers. it's purely a game design issue rather than a technology issue. if you claimed that python was responsible for them not being able to delete billboards without breaking the game then that'd be pretty believable
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Fine, python is a perfectly good language. I like using it over most other languages/environments. I was just repeating what I've been told in terms of how it scales.
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Just a Moron posted:I was just repeating what I've been told
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I like python, I think it's fun to develop applications in.
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12 rats tied together posted:no. the computer is mostly good. and so is the programming. including javascript i've said it before and i'll say it again: computers are fine. letting them talk to each other was the big mistake.
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I wrote and deployed a Python application while you were having this conversation. (New job, their old phone directory was a static page generated as csv from LDAP via a large Perl script, then processed by a php script with a huge batch of dependencies, then uploaded. And it is dependent on deprecated and abandoned code.The new one is a few lines of Python, its dependencies are ldap3 and jinja2, and it works in a fraction of the time) Yay Python imo.
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i remember when python was first released the big demo was "web server in three lines" or whatever where someone would bring up a terminal, start python then type whatever the three lines were and then be like "look at that! so powerful! so concise!" and like i was always so surprised when people were amazed by it.
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Share Bear posted:but also: god i hate these dialogs I'll see if I can find or possibly create a nightmare to post later today
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