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post hole digger
Mar 21, 2011

myspace is a good point but also is kind of a dated reference if only because fewer and fewer people actually access the internet on an actual personal computer (instead of a phone) anymore so i hope you can use that wysiwyg editor or series of text boxes on a 6" screen.

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infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

Internet Janitor posted:

i think it's sad that all the "content" people share today is basically static: images, videos, audio, text

many apps and websites offer their own minor tweaks and constraints, but the forms are essentially fixed. the dream of "multimedia" as briefly experienced in the 90s on cd-roms is largely dead, because video can basically subsume everything else and it's easier to package and distribute

the little hypercard-like thing i've been working on for a while is never going to go "mainstream", but it's nice to see my users make nonlinear zines with interactive bits and bobs and host 'em on itch and neocities

that thing you make is great and i'm glad you make it. i enjoy seeing your updates in the hobby thread

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

well-read undead posted:

myspace allowed you to customize your fixed format page with css and people went wild for that poo poo

what i’m saying is i think there’s a drive and desire for creativity and expression that is absolutely not allowed by web 2.0 poo poo (unless you’re going full content creator and making videos etc) and there could still be a niche for that

personal websites is absolutely not it though. learning enough to make your own site is an entire hobby, not a fun distraction a non-technical person can easily participate in

cohost has some vaguely similar style of customization. i have no idea how well indexed it is, but yeah the thing is still providing platforms for content creation, and then not stifling the life out of it for monetization. unfortunately, platforms cost money to make and run, and ain't nothing free in this life

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

post hole digger posted:

myspace is a good point but also is kind of a dated reference if only because fewer and fewer people actually access the internet on an actual personal computer (instead of a phone) anymore so i hope you can use that wysiwyg editor or series of text boxes on a 6" screen.

the medium defines the message, more or less

the mobile form factor is terrible for a lot of things, but you can do video/audio clips trivially, so i guess you get a lot of that.

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
my posts are free to read

post hole digger
Mar 21, 2011

infernal machines posted:

the medium defines the message, more or less

the mobile form factor is terrible for a lot of things, but you can do video/audio clips trivially, so i guess you get a lot of that.

definitely agree with this

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

echinopsis posted:

my posts are free to read

sometimes it costs :10bux:

well-read undead
Dec 13, 2022

infernal machines posted:

the medium defines the message, more or less

the mobile form factor is terrible for a lot of things, but you can do video/audio clips trivially, so i guess you get a lot of that.

you got that right, i’m posting from my phone and it’s a bitch

well-read undead
Dec 13, 2022

echinopsis posted:

my posts are free to read

i dunno i definitely feel like it’s costing me something to read them

post hole digger
Mar 21, 2011

well-read undead posted:

i dunno i definitely feel like it’s costing me something to read them

rotor
Jun 11, 2001

classic case of pineapple derangement syndrome

well-read undead posted:

myspace allowed you to customize your fixed format page with css and people went wild for that poo poo

what i’m saying is i think there’s a drive and desire for creativity and expression that is absolutely not allowed by web 2.0 poo poo (unless you’re going full content creator and making videos etc) and there could still be a niche for that

personal websites is absolutely not it though. learning enough to make your own site is an entire hobby, not a fun distraction a non-technical person can easily participate in

you dont have to write your poo poo in vim, you can use tools to easily write and maintain and update static websites.

rotor
Jun 11, 2001

classic case of pineapple derangement syndrome

well-read undead posted:

i dunno i definitely feel like it’s costing me something to read them

boy howdy

Internet Janitor
May 17, 2008

"That isn't the appropriate trash receptacle."

infernal machines posted:

that thing you make is great and i'm glad you make it. i enjoy seeing your updates in the hobby thread

it's very encouraging to hear that; thank you

i'm going to try to organize a game jam for decker next month: https://itch.io/jam/decker-fantasy-camp-2023

rotor
Jun 11, 2001

classic case of pineapple derangement syndrome

Internet Janitor posted:

it's very encouraging to hear that; thank you


yeah that thing rules btw

Elder Postsman
Aug 30, 2000


i used hot bot to search for "teens"

rotor posted:

you dont have to write your poo poo in vim, you can use tools to easily write and maintain and update static websites.

doesn't squarespace do this already

Dijkstracula
Mar 18, 2003

You can't spell 'vector field' without me, Professor!

oh my god I had no idea about decker; I've got to participate in this next jam somehow

rotor
Jun 11, 2001

classic case of pineapple derangement syndrome

Elder Postsman posted:

doesn't squarespace do this already

yeah but they want money for it

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005

raminasi posted:

i will never stopped being amused by the characterization of these incidents as "exploits". the agreement is intentionally that whoever has the majority of the magic beans gets to control all the magic beans. this was working exactly as designed!

i do go even further and dispute the idea of theft of crypto being real, if the ledger is the entire definition of ownership what are you doing invoking societal rules against it?

theflyingexecutive
Apr 22, 2007

infernal machines posted:

cohost has some vaguely similar style of customization. i have no idea how well indexed it is, but yeah the thing is still providing platforms for content creation, and then not stifling the life out of it for monetization. unfortunately, platforms cost money to make and run, and ain't nothing free in this life

they'd be pretty cheap to run if these companies weren't obsessed with infinite growth for infinite return

Internet Janitor
May 17, 2008

"That isn't the appropriate trash receptacle."

Dijkstracula posted:

oh my god I had no idea about decker; I've got to participate in this next jam somehow

i hope you're able to participate! anything goes; large or small, simple or complex

i also recently made a writeup summarizing the changes i've made to decker since the first public release about half a year ago, if anyone's interested: https://beyondloom.com/blog/unionstate.html

in a well actually
Jan 26, 2011

dude, you gotta end it on the rhyme

there’s tilde.club for retro unix style accounts but it’s a little too far back techwise imho

NoneMoreNegative
Jul 20, 2000
GOTH FASCISTIC
PAIN
MASTER




shit wizard dad

post hole digger posted:

sorry we didnt know what we had and now its gone

They paved Geocities and put up an Instagram

in a well actually
Jan 26, 2011

dude, you gotta end it on the rhyme

I set up a google sites page recently for a local project and I’m shocked how invisible it is in google search. searching specifically for the title of the page returns pages that link to it on other sites but not it, and it’s not common enough to get seo’d or gpt’d. even the fb page for it is indexed but google sites isn’t

maybe sites got used for spam or maybe its an antitrust thing, but Google has a history of like fifteen years of activity on my account, they could figure out I wasn’t a cialis scammer

also google analytics plugin for sites is broken, afaik lol

Elder Postsman
Aug 30, 2000


i used hot bot to search for "teens"

theflyingexecutive posted:

they'd be pretty cheap to run if these companies weren't obsessed with infinite growth for infinite return

yeah like craigslist seems to do alright, more websites need to be like craigslist

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

I love peeps
Nap Ghost
new firms in toucherland are created by peeps quitting lovely jobs and getting new ones by starting their own. therefore a business with like 50 employees such as craigslist, most of them seriously rich and with long tenure, will influence less than a business with 10000 employees with no loyalty

therefore, theres a huge selection effect in figgielands (prime, secondus, prc, eurofiggielands) towards dog poo poo business practice

bob dobbs is dead fucked around with this message at 22:51 on Jun 13, 2023

Dijkstracula
Mar 18, 2003

You can't spell 'vector field' without me, Professor!

Internet Janitor posted:

i hope you're able to participate! anything goes; large or small, simple or complex

i also recently made a writeup summarizing the changes i've made to decker since the first public release about half a year ago, if anyone's interested: https://beyondloom.com/blog/unionstate.html

Thanks!

Many many years ago I did some Hypercard game programming livestreams so it'd be fun to pick up one of those projects and see it through in Decker :)

Elder Postsman
Aug 30, 2000


i used hot bot to search for "teens"

welp guess i'm watching an hour and a half long hypercard video tonight

i just installed it on my powermac a couple weeks ago too because i thought my kid might find it interesting

Dijkstracula
Mar 18, 2003

You can't spell 'vector field' without me, Professor!

Elder Postsman posted:

welp guess i'm watching an hour and a half long hypercard video tonight

i just installed it on my powermac a couple weeks ago too because i thought my kid might find it interesting

:getin:

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

in a well actually posted:

I set up a google sites page recently for a local project and I’m shocked how invisible it is in google search. searching specifically for the title of the page returns pages that link to it on other sites but not it, and it’s not common enough to get seo’d or gpt’d. even the fb page for it is indexed but google sites isn’t

maybe sites got used for spam or maybe its an antitrust thing, but Google has a history of like fifteen years of activity on my account, they could figure out I wasn’t a cialis scammer

also google analytics plugin for sites is broken, afaik lol

oh, no, there's a thing in google where entering an exact search term will not return the fully indexed page containing that string. someone who was stanning for google in a previous incarnation of this thread insisted it was something to do with preventing copyright infringement or some such nonsense.

that's the one thing about google getting worse that isn't the fault of the internet at large. it's explicitly made to not find the thing you're searching for if you are too exact

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

theflyingexecutive posted:

they'd be pretty cheap to run if these companies weren't obsessed with infinite growth for infinite return

it's weird to consider that the sa forums basically survived because lowtax was, well, lowtax, and entirely too disinterested and/or incompetent to monetize them beyond his web 1.0 vision. it's also incredibly fortunate that they were bought by jeffrey, who seems equally disinterested in monetizing them or growing them any further, rather than sold to some vulture firm looking to bank on the old brand.

post hole digger
Mar 21, 2011

infernal machines posted:

it's weird to consider that the sa forums basically survived because lowtax was, well, lowtax, and entirely too disinterested and/or incompetent to monetize them beyond his web 1.0 vision. it's also incredibly fortunate that they were bought by jeffrey, who seems equally disinterested in monetizing them or growing them any further, rather than sold to some vulture firm looking to bank on the old brand.

theres an alternative world where he sells the site to ebaums world for $3 million dollars in 2003 or whatever and prudently puts his winnings into index funds. wonder how that lowtax is doing.

qirex
Feb 15, 2001

infernal machines posted:

it's weird to consider that the sa forums basically survived because lowtax was, well, lowtax, and entirely too disinterested and/or incompetent to monetize them beyond his web 1.0 vision. it's also incredibly fortunate that they were bought by jeffrey, who seems equally disinterested in monetizing them or growing them any further, rather than sold to some vulture firm looking to bank on the old brand.

that's what happens when you intentionally keep your brand toxic for 15 years! I remember way back in the day someone at google ads telling him if he deleted a few cringey "horrors of porn" articles he could run their ads but the 'tax man decided to keep it real instead

kliras
Mar 27, 2021
omg.lol is the closest you're going to get to an "early, silly internet with geocities and 'welcome to ~mypage'" type of hijinks

really fun little service too, has a bunch of upcoming services like a barebones blog

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
hallelujah

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

qirex posted:

that's what happens when you intentionally keep your brand toxic for 15 years! I remember way back in the day someone at google ads telling him if he deleted a few cringey "horrors of porn" articles he could run their ads but the 'tax man decided to keep it real instead

of all the things he was, i guess he wasn't a sellout

FMguru
Sep 10, 2003

peed on;
sexually

infernal machines posted:

it's weird to consider that the sa forums basically survived because lowtax was, well, lowtax, and entirely too disinterested and/or incompetent to monetize them beyond his web 1.0 vision. it's also incredibly fortunate that they were bought by jeffrey, who seems equally disinterested in monetizing them or growing them any further, rather than sold to some vulture firm looking to bank on the old brand.
supposedly in the 2000s conde nast made a legit mid-seven figgies offer for the forum that lowtax (being as allergic to making money as his was to not hitting women) turned down

Dijkstracula
Mar 18, 2003

You can't spell 'vector field' without me, Professor!

god could you imagine the world where all the BA Test Kitchen personalities were posters in here

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

infernal machines posted:

of all the things he was, i guess he wasn't a sellout

except for cookies, but i can understand that

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

oh and mangosteens

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infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

Shame Boy posted:

oh and mangosteens

oh, lol. how could i forget?

okay, he was a complicated man, and occasionally a sellout

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