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mistermojo posted:I've been sitting in on interviews and maybe because its fully remote but even the handful of candidates picked out of hundreds are really rough. if you can explain what you worked on and how you did it and how you'd do it again even somewhat clearly you'd already be near the top. actually doing software work destroys your ability to do software interviews, including the softer stuff you mention, its hilarious
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bob dobbs is dead posted:actually doing software work destroys your ability to do software interviews, including the softer stuff you mention, its hilarious the huge headsets a lot of them are wearing is a bad first impression too. gotta invest in those airpods. I guess its true I liked the personable ones a lot more but theyre probably equally capable but thats why as a dumb nerd myself I would go into tons of detail trying to impress the tech people rather than saying generic things about react and apis
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Jul 13, 2023 18:34
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mistermojo posted:I've been sitting in on interviews and maybe because its fully remote but even the handful of candidates picked out of hundreds are really rough. if you can explain what you worked on and how you did it and how you'd do it again even somewhat clearly you'd already be near the top. idk if non computer perspectives are welcome, but I absolutely need to have people that can communicate as well as have technical skills. Maybe at absolute entry level associate clinical scientist level you just do your job reviewing data, but anything above that is varying levels of leadership and absolutely needs good soft skills. Like ask someone applying for a director level job how they plan their team culture to be, it is a HUGE red flag if they cant answer it.
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Jul 13, 2023 21:39
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i like to think i have good technical writing skills and an above-average ability to explain things in a way that my specific reader/listener can understand but that's not quite the same thing as soft skills tbh, the latter is something i need to work on
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Jul 14, 2023 00:07
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mistermojo posted:I've been sitting in on interviews and maybe because its fully remote but even the handful of candidates picked out of hundreds are really rough. if you can explain what you worked on and how you did it and how you'd do it again even somewhat clearly you'd already be near the top. are you hiring full remote in eu?
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Jul 14, 2023 06:14
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I had a second round interview today and drat…I’m still burned out. the start up initial convo was great and they’re not in a hurry to fill. so will be happy to move forward as I think they’ll give me some flexibility with start date. he knows I was slow rolling talking to him and said a lot of peers recommended me. cheese eats mouse fucked around with this message at 08:31 on Jul 14, 2023 |
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Jul 14, 2023 08:28
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4lokos basilisk posted:are you hiring full remote in eu? Do you know Kafka? I'm on a project that's on fire in 200 ways but always needs more freelancers to feed the beast
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Jul 14, 2023 09:17
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in semi-related news I'm looking for an on-site position because working fully remote and being alone all the time is doing a number on me. Looking to go into management and very willing to relocate. the long shot if you will.
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Jul 14, 2023 09:18
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champagne posting posted:Do you know Kafka? I'm on a project that's on fire in 200 ways but always needs more freelancers to feed the beast Check your PMs 
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Jul 14, 2023 12:31
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90minute pair programming and 90 minute architecture/ system design why would you do this to your devs and candidates?
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Jul 14, 2023 16:28
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surely making all the internal team members hate doing recruiting won't effect the outcome!
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Jul 14, 2023 16:30
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idk i always think an hour isnt really enough like yes hiring is a hassle but if firing is also a hassle (which it always is) then i need time up front to vet people. like what do people expect? that you're just gonna hire good people without expending any effort making sure they're good first?
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Jul 14, 2023 20:00
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i mean if we're just complaining about poo poo to complain then thats cool, I'm all about it, just lemme know
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Jul 14, 2023 20:01
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KidDynamite posted:90minute pair programming and 90 minute architecture/ system design I hope these are the last two rounds after an initial 30-45min tech screen. When you've got a dud it's obvious in the first 15 and I can't imagine trying to stick out over an hour after that.
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Jul 15, 2023 00:50
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rotor posted:idk i always think an hour isnt really enough you're right about it not being enough time, but my brain has developed a hard-checkout response at minute 45 of every meeting. that's when i go from ~50% attention to <10%, and i can feel it happening, like a whooshing in my head so i just try not to interview anymore. time consideration aside, i hate it and it sucks for all parties involved
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Jul 15, 2023 01:02
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sounds like you need to put in snack breaks
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Jul 15, 2023 02:06
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bob dobbs is dead posted:sounds like you need to put in snack breaks like especially for architechture poo poo i'll just walk people around the office whilst chatting, or would if I interviewed anyone irl any more
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Jul 15, 2023 02:13
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mistermojo posted:the huge headsets a lot of them are wearing is a bad first impression too. gotta invest in those airpods. yossers: is this a real thing?
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Jul 18, 2023 00:52
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counterpoint: my headset makes my deep, soothing voice come through crisp and clear
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Jul 18, 2023 00:55
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if my interviewer can't quickly identify one of the many things far more wrong with me than my headset size, i don't care to work for such a sloppy outfit anyway
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Jul 18, 2023 00:57
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Chopstick Dystopia posted:I hope these are the last two rounds after an initial 30-45min tech screen. When you've got a dud it's obvious in the first 15 and I can't imagine trying to stick out over an hour after that. duds take 15 minutes, bad hires take weeks. lets split the difference on a logarithmic scale and make the interviewing process 6 hours.
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Jul 18, 2023 01:03
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Poopernickel posted:yossers: is this a real thing? I have never encountered huge-cans bias.
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Jul 18, 2023 01:12
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i log on every day with my closed ear headphones and my modmic stuck on the side and nobody has given me a wedgie over zoom yet
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Jul 18, 2023 01:21
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tk posted:I have never encountered huge-cans bias. hello,
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Jul 18, 2023 01:22
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gonna wear those light-up cat ear headphones on my next zoom screen now, as a power move
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Jul 18, 2023 03:03
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rotor posted:i mean if we're just complaining about poo poo to complain then thats cool, I'm all about it, just lemme know what signal could you fish out that says do not hire in 90 minutes vs 60? i have the needs to fill dead air seeking approval adhd and 90 minutes makes for a lot of dead air i will need to fill.
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Jul 18, 2023 03:58
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KidDynamite posted:what signal could you fish out that says do not hire in 90 minutes vs 60? more is better, especially if i have candidates that are close. Ideally I'd pair up with someone for a day or two but I'll settle for 90 minutes if i have to, and I'll settle for 60 if I have to. I have the same issues wrt silence intolerance so yeah thats not much of an excuse imo.
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Jul 18, 2023 04:14
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from a hiring perspective, IDEALLY i would hire people contract-to-perm because that would let me bounce clowns if it became clear that they were clowns. But, understandably, no one likes that, so the next best thing is to be real sure they're not clowns up front.
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Jul 18, 2023 04:15
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like I know no one in THIS thread is a clown, but obviously i have no way of knowing who you are unless you give me the secret passphrase.
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thus does rotor administer the controversial “clown test”, which he claims to be 100% accurate, though none have passed it yet
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Jul 18, 2023 04:18
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but it's at-will employment so you can just fire salaried employees if you want to? except you can't because hr is a gently caress
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well-read undead posted:thus does rotor administer the controversial “clown test”, which he claims to be 100% accurate, though none have passed it yet what? DELETE CASCADE posted:but it's at-will employment so you can just fire salaried employees if you want to? except you can't because hr is a gently caress I mean like thats the trick right? If i could bounce people easily then I'd be like "ok, i looked at your resume, and after the 30 minute chat we had you seem like a normal human so yeah you're hired." But i cant, and getting rid of a bad hire is INSANELY difficult, here we are, with me asking for as much time as you can give me to interview.
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rotor posted:from a hiring perspective, IDEALLY i would hire people contract-to-perm because that would let me bounce clowns if it became clear that they were clowns. But, understandably, no one likes that, so the next best thing is to be real sure they're not clowns up front. this is how we do it and it’s still aggravating because whoops the talent pool willing to deal with that is actually a puddle and also I still feel bad having to let people go, even if they made my job harder and made me have to do more work
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Jul 18, 2023 04:24
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I will say the upside is I’ve never heard of an FTE getting canned before, so the job security is really nice, and the pay and bennies are good enough with the work/life balance
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well-read undead posted:thus does rotor administer the controversial “clown test”, which he claims to be 100% accurate, though none have passed it yet i am gonna need you to whiteboard this with you: we have sixteen human resources in the car and we need to get at least four of them stuck in the rungs of this ladder and one to fall backward into this bucket of whitewash.
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rotor posted:what? what? EIDE Van Hagar posted:i am gonna need you to whiteboard this with you: we have sixteen human resources in the car and we need to get at least four of them stuck in the rungs of this ladder and one to fall backward into this bucket of whitewash. ok my bad, maybe it’s eide that does the clown test, not rotor
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well-read undead posted:what? huh?
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rotor posted:huh? yeah
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FAT32 SHAMER posted:this is how we do it and it’s still aggravating because whoops the talent pool willing to deal with that is actually a puddle and also I still feel bad having to let people go, even if they made my job harder and made me have to do more work anyone who makes me do more work deserves death, nothing less and nothing more
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rotor posted:anyone who makes me do more work deserves death, nothing less and nothing more the only part that is even up for discussion is the manner of their death. shall it be immediate and painless? or prolonged and excruciating? really i would say it depends on whether the work can ultimately be pawned off on someone else
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