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Three hundred? Is that possible? I can get up to 60 right now. Do I just need to start paying them huge bribes every turn?
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Dolash posted:Three hundred? Is that possible? I can get up to 60 right now. Do I just need to start paying them huge bribes every turn? Be at war with the people they are at war with and repeatedly kill them. Also yes bribes. Confederating in WH2 is hard and is largely an effort to poach LLs before they die, not earn territory. E: also don't be allied with people they don't like.
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Aug 1, 2023 20:13
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Ravenfood posted:Confederating in WH2 is hard and is largely an effort to poach LLs before they die, not earn territory. This is the main thing. Want Mannfred and the Red Duke to round out my gang of legends with Kemmler, Vlad, and Isabella, walking across the map. I do also need Castle Drakenhof for my victory condition, though a military alliance will do and Mannfred wants one of those real bad. Now I just need to figure out how to fight the Wood Elves without being turned to mulch. Cavalry archers that can break contact and disappear and Treekin/Dryads who couldn't care less about rusty swords and spears is making my usual tactics ineffective.
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Aug 1, 2023 20:21
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This is why I got the "recruit dead LLs" mod. It's nice because, so long as a vampire faction exists, you'll fight the full menagerie of vampire legendary lords. Much more importantly, it's extremely nice because you can just get the LLs from factions that die across the world if you want. Or kill them. Whatever you want!
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Aug 1, 2023 20:39
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:i love it when weird poo poo happens It's great when minor factions come out on top. Like a non league club going deep in the FA cup. Not dissimilarity the current dominant greenskin faction in my current campaign is Skarsnik of all people. He has confederated a few other LLs but I haven't seen Grimgor yet.
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Aug 1, 2023 21:02
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Dolash posted:Three hundred? Is that possible? I can get up to 60 right now. Do I just need to start paying them huge bribes every turn? Spam agent actions on people they don't like, repeateadly sack their settlements, etc. Dolash posted:Now I just need to figure out how to fight the Wood Elves without being turned to mulch. Cavalry archers that can break contact and disappear and Treekin/Dryads who couldn't care less about rusty swords and spears is making my usual tactics ineffective. Against WE in general I go for a 2:1 army advantage if I can't outshoot them. That or armies made up of mostly fast moving units.
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Aug 1, 2023 21:18
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Number advantage is my go-to against woodelf, can't shoot my army dead if they don't have enough ammo for everyone. Then sack and burn the forest to the ground.
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Aug 1, 2023 21:26
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Cythereal posted:I never used crane gunners in my Cathay IM campaign before, but I've got a couple on loan from Miao Ying in this Katarin RoC campaign and they feel remarkably useful. I feel like something I've struggled with as Kislev is picking off hard targets that are too small for little groms to be reliable against (like, say, Valkia whenever she comes knocking), but adding a couple of crane gunners has felt very handy. Warplock jezzails fit the same niche and are hugely valuable in being able to reliably take out single models and high-value targets - jezzails and crane gunners (and iirc vampire coast also have an equivalent) are an expensive hammer that do really well at solving a lot of problems, so the ideal use case is using them to solve a problem that the rest of the army doesn't have a good answer for before they get a chance to be a problem. But they're bad value against high-model count units (except to apply shieldbreaker vs shielded targets while your crossbows or equivalent do the actual work), they're vulnerable to bad LOS from terrain making it hard to give them good lines of fire, and they're extremely frail if something gets into them.
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Aug 1, 2023 22:38
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Dolash posted:I actually am playing 2, I just saw there was the one thread. Maybe next Steam sale! there actually is a wh2 thread but everyone posts here. confederation is interesting in that you need to be checking every turn. it mainly depends on your relations with the faction, the relative disparity between your army strengths, and if they feel actively threatened by another faction. you can trick some factions into confederating if you Military Alliance them, then declare a bunch of wars it also helps not to have too many alliances at once so you don't get pulled into wars and your main bae doesn't. which would lower your relative rankings
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Aug 2, 2023 01:44
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My favorite Kraka Drak story was where I helped them as Nakai in WH2 (as a norscan enemy in the north, it seemed fitting) and helped them slowly expand by consuming any army that got near them and ensuring their enemies were always weak. Got them up to like 3 whole provinces even, where they had full control. Military alliance, working together for the good of Order! And then like 80 turns in they declared war on defenders of the great plan. So I turned around and razed their entire empire to the ground. They clearly didn't respect the Old Ones.
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Aug 2, 2023 01:55
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Just ran into the most obvious "AI cheats" moment yet. I've got Grombrindal about to attack Taurox's herdstone on the next turn, and I have an army encamped next to some ruins in the bloodground (which I can't colonize, because, bloodground), so when I drop the stone I can pop right in. Khatep just settles it. Herdstone's still there.
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Aug 2, 2023 02:15
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Ulthuan is spicier than I expected now that Belakor and his vassal immediately rush down to double team the northeast minors with N'kari. Eltharion can handle one but not both and Alarielle's gone feral and is racing Noctilus to see who can murder the western helf minors first.
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Sindai posted:Ulthuan is spicier than I expected now that Belakor and his vassal immediately rush down to double team the northeast minors with N'kari. Eltharion can handle one but not both and Alarielle's gone feral and is racing Noctilus to see who can murder the western helf minors first. Yeah Ulthuan can get pretty hectic now, it's great. Even the Dark Elf minor that starts up north can cause a lot of trouble. That said my last Tyrion campaign I ignored Ulthuan entirely and started shipping armies off around the world to seize every elven colony. Pretty fun dumping a stack of early game units in the middle of Lustria and telling them to figure it out
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Aug 2, 2023 12:13
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Followed the advice here and collected the whole set of Counts like Kemmler was Zordon looking for five legendary vampires with attitude, thanks for the assist! My plan to finally stick it to the wood elves got derailed when Chaos showed up from the north and suddenly all my second-string lords with armies of skeletons on garrison duty arent cutting it. I may have to buckle down and build some serious high-tier armies instead of just filling up on grave guard and black knights and calling it a day, but the temptation to expoit vampire immortality and dirt cheap, upkeep free, instant raised zombies and skeletons and just drown them in endless waves is real.
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Aug 2, 2023 16:49
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Chosen die as easily to Winds of Death as everyone else.
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I've been too in love with spamming summoned skeletons to pay enough attention to the attack spells, but I tried a vampire on a flying mount blasting enemies clean off the wall until my skellies had a clear path to climb up there and now I see what I've been missing.
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Aug 2, 2023 23:57
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Dolash posted:I've been too in love with spamming summoned skeletons to pay enough attention to the attack spells, but I tried a vampire on a flying mount blasting enemies clean off the wall until my skellies had a clear path to climb up there and now I see what I've been missing. The real powergamer move is to prioritize getting the Knowledgeable trait on heroes in general and necromancers in particular. IIRC it adds 5 Winds of Magic to all armies factionwide, so you can just never stop casting.
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Aug 3, 2023 01:30
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Dolash posted:I've been too in love with spamming summoned skeletons to pay enough attention to the attack spells, but I tried a vampire on a flying mount blasting enemies clean off the wall until my skellies had a clear path to climb up there and now I see what I've been missing. WoD is literally the best spell in the game and you should be going straight for it with every lord who can cast it. But the real trick is since you're on game 2, is you need a lore keeper trait stack running around and building up your provinces for free, with a focus on the growth building, since at tier 3 it gives +1 start rank to necros. You'll eventually be able to have freshly recruited necros that can cast WoD from the word go and free up points on lords for other things, like casting WoD on another part of the map.
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Aug 3, 2023 05:12
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they nerfed knowledgeable hard in the warhammer 3 transition
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Ravenfood posted:Winds of Death is the most powerful spell in WH2. Zombies and skeletons, especially summoned zombies, are there to hold enemies in place so you can overcast Winds and vaporize everything.
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Dolash posted:I've been too in love with spamming summoned skeletons to pay enough attention to the attack spells, but I tried a vampire on a flying mount blasting enemies clean off the wall until my skellies had a clear path to climb up there and now I see what I've been missing. yeah, that's the missing piece zombies and skeletons won't do jack against the heavily armored Chaos roster except tire them out a bit, but vampire magic is no joke
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They nerfed vampire magic pretty hard in 3. It's still good, but wind of death isn't killing half an army that you tricked into piling on your zombies. Instead that's what pit of shades is for.
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Aug 3, 2023 07:04
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wiegieman posted:They nerfed vampire magic pretty hard in 3. It's still good, but wind of death isn't killing half an army that you tricked into piling on your zombies.
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bob dobbs is dead posted:they nerfed knowledgeable hard in the warhammer 3 transition Knowledgeable is indeed useless in WH3, but for those still playing WH2, it rules. There is another trait that vamps get in WH3, Lore Keeper, which is arguably better but functions differently: Winds of Magic power reserve: +1 per turn (own army) Winds of Magic power reserve capacity: +8 (own army) Also dread incarnate (-4 leadership local region) doom stack. Adding +10% research rate isn't great on it's own, even stacking it with heroes is meh because you can get +research followers easily by fighting battles with research turned off. Minus construction cost on heroes (not lords) is more useful but you only need 10 max because it stacks additively. Ravenfood posted:Imo, Winds is still better. It ate a big nerf but still is one of the best spells around. The real nerf is not having access to several hundred winds of magic by the endgame. winds still does rule. Lore of Vampires has been nerfed 3 times and is still the best lore, though arguably lore of life is coming up on it. Cranappleberry fucked around with this message at 11:02 on Aug 3, 2023 |
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Winds of death is for certain better if you can get the enemy lined up properly, though it can be tricky if the enemy has ranged superiority/a lot of skirmish units and you have to charge them.
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The thing that took awhile to click for me with Winds of Death in TWW3 is, regular-cast it's a fine whatever spell. Overcasted it's the "ohhh word, every model in that unit now has 1 hp remaining" spell we know and love and run a mortis engine past for an instant huge chunk of murder
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oh and since it's a wind, it's easy to line up for a bounce during walled settlement battles.Carcer posted:Winds of death is for certain better if you can get the enemy lined up properly, though it can be tricky if the enemy has ranged superiority/a lot of skirmish units and you have to charge them. With enough experience, you can lure the AI+time the spells to hit moving units. AI does attempt to dodge if it's units are stationary, but if they are moving, you can hit them. Overcasting depends on the whether you can risk eating the damage. For one-sided battles it probably doesn't matter, for close battles it might. With human players, you have to catch them out and hope they aren't paying attention or else stress their micro.
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Dwarfs can't move quick enough to get out of the way of a Winds of Death which is good because it's the perfect spell to use on them.
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wiegieman posted:They nerfed vampire magic pretty hard in 3. It's still good, but wind of death isn't killing half an army that you tricked into piling on your zombies. It wasn't that bad, although you do want to be a bit more strategic with it. The main nerf was the WoD did something most winds didn't do - it had multi-hit. It would hit 2 times per model within it, which is quite strong (and might have been an accident/bug, not sure on that). It now only hits once per model, but they reduced the cost to compensate somewhat. However, mastery applies to it, and the Skull of Katam is uniquely great for VCounts because it gives you 40% spell mastery for a DoT on the user for 27 seconds. Skull + Overcast = pretty close to old WoD, for less winds. To be clear, it did get nerfed, but they compensated for that nerf on the WoM cost. And, I'd say, it was straight broken in game 2 and ultimately degenerate because it was so insanely good it dictated The One True strategy. The changes made some other approaches have similar utility which has overall made the faction more flexible, even if WoD is still the main strat. However, it does still absolutely wreck entire armies, it just won't delete entire stacks of chosen at once now. That's what the second cast/pit of shades/pendulum/cav charge is for. As a side note, its actually fairly easy to get allied with cathay as a lot of VCounts, which can give you access to the war compass. 4 of those in your blob will bring your WoD back to old WoD level, add in a Skull of Katam and you're at 200% intensity and full old WoD, while being cheaper on WoM. And since you're blobbing anyways, its actually not that hard to keep them safe. Win-win!
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jokes posted:Dwarfs can't move quick enough to get out of the way of a Winds of Death which is good because it's the perfect spell to use on them. 9/10, the moment Vlad gets WoD, I stomp the immediate dwarven neighbors out of existence. Mind you, half the time Zhufbar has declared on me instead of dealing with their greenskin threats, so that's a bit annoying, but it makes sieging a breeze. The climate ain't the best, but there is a lot of money in securing the northern World's Edge, and it gives time for the empire to get torn apart in civil war/chaos/wood elf hell. Chorfs have changed this calculus though - in the ideal setup the Slayer King is already at war with them, so you can parley the shared war (or even the war dec) into treaties with chorfs, and then all the kicking rear end of shared enemies tends to make that front relatively safe. God I loving love VCounts.
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VCounts would be a solid 25% of my games if Lizardmen didn't exist.
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Aug 3, 2023 22:53
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same, but just oxyotl and his different-faction-fighting rear end
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Random question here, has anyone ever encountered a bug where they cannot recruit heroes? doing co-op as Kemmler and I can't recruit anything, 0/2 capacity and it says I've reached the cap and can't recruit more. No idea what could be causing it, only got the community bugfix and the new immortal empire map + mixer's unlocker going, wondering if the new map has issues somehow. Deleting every other hero let's me get a replacement but still limited to 1 dude, even downloading a +20 cap mod doesn't let me get any. Ra Ra Rasputin fucked around with this message at 23:29 on Aug 3, 2023 |
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Ra Ra Rasputin posted:Random question here, has anyone ever encountered a bug where they cannot recruit heroes? doing co-op as Kemmler and I can't recruit anything, 0/2 capacity and it says I've reached the cap and can't recruit more. mods are probably fuckin it up
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My personal favorite is lining up a wall of dudes at the map edge waiting for enemy reinforcements to arrive and dropping WoD on them and instantly watching them flee
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Of course the first game I have where Oxyotl doesn't completely clown Kairos, is the first time I play Tiktaq'to and need big bird to die
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WoD is the reason I hesitate to put all my necromancers on corpse carts. Sticking them on a normal horse helps them get much better angles.
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I keep trying to play through a high elf game in WH2 but they're just so boring. Same with dark elves  Keep getting pulled into a vc game cuz of how interesting their campaign and battle mechanics are, which is funny cuz one of my other favorite factions is dwarves which are the polar opposite. Come to think of it, all the wh1 factions are very interesting and unique to play and the elves just feel very.....standard. Stereotypical fantasy, I guess.
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Cpt_Obvious posted:WoD is the reason I hesitate to put all my necromancers on corpse carts. Sticking them on a normal horse helps them get much better angles.
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https://twitter.com/totalwar/status/1687493851588521984?s=20 i guess announcement next week?
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