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kliras posted:i imagine the regular fans' noise profiles are above par beyond basic cfm and db measurements, but i wouldn't default to their coolers just because This is something even GN could improve on in their testing. It might be too much work to do noise normalized testing over a range of noise levels, but I have seen written reviews that do just that. (I’ve harped on this before, but their current methodology overrates coolers like the Arctic 34 Duo, which looks decent at high RPM, but is relatively noisy in the mid range)
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also, along with my other possible misgivings with some noise weirdness, the rubber cover for the screw holes on the phanteks t30 are way too squishy and easy to distort too much by placement and screwing down, which is next to impossible to address in a review i don't think anyone can accuse noctua of not finetuning their products, it's just that they're a little too complacement with the pace of new releases as well as some pricing fan hysteresis noise measurement would also be an interesting data point, since a lot of benchmarks and sff people run their fans at more or less constant high speed
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The Illusive Man posted:I bought a NH-D15 in 2017 and it’s pretty awesome that I was able to use it in my new build this summer with only needing a simple adapter. Noctua is still unmatched as far as longevity and long-term support, but they’re definitely due for a refresh of the D15 in the face of current competition. In 2018 I actually went back and bought an NH-D14 because I wanted to see how far my old LGA1366 Xeon would go. When I built an AM4 system several months later, all I had to do was email Noctua the proof of purchase and they sent me a bracket. A newer model with the same footprint might perform better, but it turns out that a 220W-rated cooler is still way overkill for a 5800X3D even if it was originally released in 2009. If Noctua keeps putting out brackets then it might one day follow me again to a third system.
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Jeff Fatwood posted:Sure, but you can get +90% there with a lot of tower coolers half the price or less of a NH-D15. Noctua is great but anyone with a budget will do just fine with a lot of alternatives. 100$ for a tower cooler is a lot of money. A thing that is still really good about Noctua is that when a new socket with different mounting specs comes out, they make mounting kits for their old coolers and will send you one for for free if you have your receipts. Air coolers last forever, having to replace them for mounting specs is dumb. Noctua have by far the best track record in this area. Also Noctua fans are high quality, and have great longevity. So it's like, noctua is more up front, but if you are still using it a decade from now when a cheaper option needs to be replaced twice then you come out ahead. (But also yes, if you're on a budget the D15 is both expensive and probably overkill. Plus I'd hate to buy a D15 right now when they're finally about to release a new version.)
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as much as i like my black d15, waiting an extra like two years for it was less than great
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Man has it really been a week and a half since the last video and a full week of radio silence? I feel like there some kind of communication that I've been missing.
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Dogwood Fleet posted:Man has it really been a week and a half since the last video and a full week of radio silence? I feel like there some kind of communication that I've been missing. Tech team is working out the bugs with their system of nested kill-switches that will be monitored by 6 different people that can shut Linus up in varied ways. Final kill switch is just a Dr. Evil style trapdoor under Linus that sends him to the furnace.
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Also remaining silent lets the whole thing fade into the background. I assume someone is stationed next to linus smacking his hand with a ruler whenever he reaches for a keyboard or phone.
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Yeah the keep quiet and pretend it never happened once the heat's died down strategy isn't the most entertaining but it's the most effective for the purpose of making everyone forget it happened. Also does Noctua still basically have sole ownership of the low profile SFF air cooler market just because literally no-one else is even trying in that market?
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njsykora posted:Yeah the keep quiet and pretend it never happened once the heat's died down strategy isn't the most entertaining but it's the most effective for the purpose of making everyone forget it happened. I think Thermalright makes some decent ones
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njsykora posted:Yeah the keep quiet and pretend it never happened once the heat's died down strategy isn't the most entertaining but it's the most effective for the purpose of making everyone forget it happened. Well, LTT is bleeding subscribers and advertising money right now, so who knows how long they can keep that up with their absurdly expensive lab to pay for. njsykora posted:Also does Noctua still basically have sole ownership of the low profile SFF air cooler market just because literally no-one else is even trying in that market? Thermalright and Be Quiet! both make low profile coolers, though I'm pretty sure Thermalright's are better. There's also a large, dual-fan low profile cooler from a company called Jiushark that's supposed to be pretty good.
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Lol at AMD news breaking and LTT can't make videos about it
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grack posted:Well, LTT is bleeding subscribers and advertising money right now, so who knows how long they can keep that up with their absurdly expensive lab to pay for. Are they? They're only down 200k subs since this began, with a remaining subscriber base of 15.4 million. That's not fatal bleeding, that's an ouchie at best, perhaps only a boo boo. I haven't heard anything about advertisers loving off beyond that one company that said something like "yeah this is weird we need to see what they do and will reevaluate in the future." From what I recall it was pretty standard exec speak for when someone starts @'ing you on twitter about how you're advertising with a monster. Note that this is just Youtube, I have no idea wtf is going on in their private video streaming setup.
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njsykora posted:Yeah the keep quiet and pretend it never happened once the heat's died down strategy isn't the most entertaining but it's the most effective for the purpose of making everyone forget it happened. ID-Cooling has made some real gains in that market and have models in tons of height / overhang configurations to suit various SFF restrictions
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Cyrano4747 posted:Are they? They're only down 200k subs since this began, with a remaining subscriber base of 15.4 million. That's not fatal bleeding, that's an ouchie at best, perhaps only a boo boo. Subscriber counts don't directly drive revenue - views and impressions do. The only good way to determine if this was a deep cut is to watch their viewing trends over the next 2-3 months and compare to the months pre-footgun. Obviously they're going to surge in the short term when they start re-uploading because everybody wants to see how they handle themselves, but the sustained trend is more important because they've got some big bills to pay over the long run to keep their Labs idea afloat. e: Another thing to keep in mind is subscribing to a channel is a one-time thing, so accrued sub counts are largely passive and accrued over time while unsub rates are an actual active measure of short-term sentiment. Cenodoxus fucked around with this message at 17:30 on Aug 25, 2023 |
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Cenodoxus posted:Subscriber counts don't directly drive revenue - views and impressions do. The only good way to determine if this was a deep cut is to watch their viewing trends over the next 2-3 months and compare to the months pre-footgun. Obviously they're going to surge in the short term when they start re-uploading because everybody wants to see how they handle themselves, but the sustained trend is more important because they've got some big bills to pay over the long run to keep their Labs idea afloat. Honestly I don't think it will matter at all, either way. Yeah, individual videos will see a bump. Their weird apology video got 5M views. But the sort of person who is idly clicking this: (the video right before the 5M hit apology video)  That person likely doesn't give a gently caress. poo poo, they're likely not aware of the drama at all. Page through his videos and it's wall to wall clickbait titles (It's getting really hard to hate Apple! Extra monitors DO hurt your gaming performance! I watercooled my bed - genius or insanity?) with youtuber face thumbnails. I think people in general, and people ITT in particular, really over-estimate just how dialed in the average LTT viewer is to this kind of thing. His core audience is a 16 year old kid who is putting together a gaming desktop and is googling guides, then gets sucked into the clickbait. Maybe they're aware of it now because of the stop in production, but I'd be amazed if most of his casual viewers cared beyond "oh hey drama stopped that thing I watch on occasion."
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Cyrano4747 posted:Are they? They're only down 200k subs since this began, with a remaining subscriber base of 15.4 million. That's not fatal bleeding, that's an ouchie at best, perhaps only a boo boo. Floatplane may be a better indicator, their subscriber count is barely above 35k at this point, which is down about 800 since I last looked two days ago at most.
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Floatplane lost something like 6000 subscribers and that's 5 bucks a pop per month. Not great, not terrible.
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Cyrano4747 posted:I think people in general, and people ITT in particular, really over-estimate just how dialed in the average LTT viewer is to this kind of thing. His core audience is a 16 year old kid who is putting together a gaming desktop and is googling guides, then gets sucked into the clickbait. Maybe they're aware of it now because of the stop in production, but I'd be amazed if most of his casual viewers cared beyond "oh hey drama stopped that thing I watch on occasion." Oh yeah, I don't doubt that many people simply do not care about a lot of the issues, and they'll continue to watch LTT for the same clown-shoes poo poo they're well-known for. But the big pivot that LMG is trying to make to get into the serious methodical data-driven trustworthy review space is in jeopardy, and given that it's where they have invested a lot of money lately, I believe they're in for much bigger issues than just a minor drop in viewership. That could be the smallest domino. Whether they keep up their investment into Labs depends on them being able to finance it through the entertainment channels.
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Cenodoxus posted:Oh yeah, I don't doubt that many people simply do not care about a lot of the issues, and they'll continue to watch LTT for the same clown-shoes poo poo they're well-known for. But the big pivot that LMG is trying to make to get into the serious methodical data-driven trustworthy review space is in jeopardy, and given that it's where they have invested a lot of money lately, I believe they're in for much bigger issues than just a minor drop in viewership. That could be the smallest domino. Whether they keep up their investment into Labs depends on them being able to finance it through the entertainment channels. I think this is a very important point that shouldn't be overlooked, in terms of whether or not LMG losing subscribers is going to hurt them in the long run. They have a core audience that will never abandon them no matter what, but at some point if all you have are the diehards, you're not growing, you're stagnating. And those labs likely cost too much money for Linus to be able to keep paying all the bills by only keeping the subscribers and diehards his channels currently have.
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watho posted:i watched the gamers nexus video and it dawned on me that the grossly misleading LTT cpu cooler video definitely influenced my decision to go with a noctua when i got a new cpu and cooler a couple of months ago. i did ask some other people who vouched for it and my thermals are perfectly fine but still Eh, I did the same with their review of the LG 38" Ultrawide a few years back. Since then I've bought four more of the loving things because they really are that good.
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Cyrano4747 posted:Are they? They're only down 200k subs since this began, with a remaining subscriber base of 15.4 million. That's not fatal bleeding, that's an ouchie at best, perhaps only a boo boo. They've lost nearly 7000 Floatplane subscribers so far. That's ~21k in monthly revenue
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Very importantly, Floatplane also exists as a separate business unit that is entirely self sustaining. Or was planned to be, anyway. This doesn't mean they shut down the Floatplane project in a month but it does mean that the stress there is magnified, and/or they start reaching across into other business units to sustain their funding. Not even going to begin to try and guess how poorly the entire thing is constructed but that could be bad? Illegal? Who knows!
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grack posted:They've lost nearly 7000 Floatplane subscribers so far. That's ~21k in monthly revenue About 17% of their diehard fans in about a week and a half. Even with everyone at the lowest $5 tier that's about 35k per month. My guess is there are a fair number like me who haven't canceled yet to see Linus do something really stupid. Yeah, there are diehards who are going to stay, but a lot of his base is already gone. Last week was a hell of a one-two punch.
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grack posted:They've lost nearly 7000 Floatplane subscribers so far. That's ~21k in monthly revenue ~$21k/ month USD minimum, if they were grandfathered in. If we figure it's probably more like $5-10/month per lost sub, that's more like $35k-70k/month, USD. At LMG writer wages ($55-60K/year CAD,) that's up to 10ish employees wages in revenue. That's obviously a high end estimate, but yeah, it's a kick in the teeth. Ultraklystron fucked around with this message at 20:31 on Aug 25, 2023 |
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Apparently I suck at math this morning. I'm blaming the wildfire smoke.
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I've been wondering how much merch sales have changed. I don't think numbers for those have ever been public, but that's clearly a big chunk of revenue given how much emphasis they put on it. I feel like the kind of people who were into LTT enough to subscribe to Floatplane were also the type to buy clothing and screwdrivers and the like, and they've clearly been losing that audience.
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Dogwood Fleet posted:About 17% of their diehard fans in about a week and a half. Even with everyone at the lowest $5 tier that's about 35k per month. My guess is there are a fair number like me who haven't canceled yet to see Linus do something really stupid. He already did, he went on his forum and spread more lies. He lied about gamers nexus calling it a sale. He lied about already having a hold of billet labs before steve put out his piece. The trust is dead for me, he needs to step down and retire or admit he intentionally lied multiple times. I would feel differently if that post did not exist, but it does.
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Dogwood Fleet posted:About 17% of their diehard fans in about a week and a half. Even with everyone at the lowest $5 tier that's about 35k per month. My guess is there are a fair number like me who haven't canceled yet to see Linus do something really stupid. lol you're a floatplane subscriber?
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Ok Comboomer posted:lol you're a floatplane subscriber? Yes, but do I really deserve to be mocked for it? Yes, relentlessly.
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Dogwood Fleet posted:About 17% of their diehard fans in about a week and a half. Even with everyone at the lowest $5 tier that's about 35k per month. My guess is there are a fair number like me who haven't canceled yet to see Linus do something really stupid. just cancel it, it'll get mirrored, don't give money to sex pests cmon
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And you can then spend that $5 on something less embarassing, like porn.
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Dogwood Fleet posted:Yes, but do I really deserve to be mocked for it? Yes, relentlessly. Whatever floats your plane I guess
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Lady Radia posted:just cancel it, it'll get mirrored, don't give money to sex pests cmon I'm not cancelling because it looks like I cancelled a few days ago. I guess that's why all the posts were locked.
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Something that just came to mind, how is there not a tier on the Gamers Nexus patreon to get cat photos every month. drat business amateur Steve leaving money on the table.
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njsykora posted:Something that just came to mind, how is there not a tier on the Gamers Nexus patreon to get cat photos every month. drat business amateur Steve leaving money on the table. what do you think the gamersnexus onlyfans is for
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Dogwood Fleet posted:I'm not cancelling because it looks like I cancelled a few days ago. I guess that's why all the posts were locked. well. im sorry. i think?
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