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cruft posted:That's 1,000 new chargers per month, 33 new chargers per day. I played 6 hours of No Mans Sky and pooped three times.
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borkencode posted:Enjoy your last month and a half of not seeing big stainless steel triangles driving around. Tesla has announced cybertruck deliveries start November 30. Thankfully they will never come to Australia so I'm still good
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priznat posted:I wonder if I will see a cybertruck or a hummer ev first. So far haven’t seen either in person. Probably the hummer. You're not going to see the HUMMER as it runs a red light and T-bones you with 4 times the kinetic energy of a compact crossover.
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It's going to crabwalk out from a parked position right in front of you on a city street, a cool new feature
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Chronojam posted:It's going to crabwalk out from a parked position right in front of you on a city street, a cool new feature The tiniest possible red only flasher signals weakly indicating
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bird with big dick posted:I played 6 hours of No Mans Sky and pooped three times. I've been thinking about buying that game, but I'm not sure I'm ready to spend that much time per day on the can.
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cruft posted:I've been thinking about buying that game, but I'm not sure I'm ready to spend that much time per day on the can. he did all that while driving his tesla
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cruft posted:I've been thinking about buying that game, but I'm not sure I'm ready to spend that much time per day on the can. When you play it in VR the UI is a disaster so its pretty much like driving a Chinese brand EV Ive sunk 200 hours into this game 
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Spotted a Hummer EV already, pulling out of a Starbucks drive through, because of course. It honestly didn't seem as big as the H2, but I haven't seen an H2 in ages, and it could just be faulty memory and or styling differences.
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GreenBuckanneer posted:the only thing i wish the bolt had was a faster charging speed. I’m thinking about Bolt
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ROFLBOT posted:When you play it in VR the UI is a disaster so its pretty much like driving a Chinese brand EV I can’t stop playing it I think it has given me mental illness I need to find a sentinel interceptor that has four adjacent supercharged slots.
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priznat posted:I wonder if I will see a cybertruck or a hummer ev first. So far haven’t seen either in person. Probably the hummer. I have seen two Hummer EVs, you are not fully prepared for how horrific they look in person. I mean, not that they are particularly ugly, it's just, WTF is wrong with you that you are driving it.
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I saw one of the Hummer EVs at the dealer, looks like a fat Avalanche, not really crazy huge compared to a full size pickup. cruft posted:That's 1,000 new chargers per month, 33 new chargers per day. I cleaned my desk because we don't have any work. But I probably could've installed 12 Superchargers, 'cause I'm real fast at wirin' stuff.
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priznat posted:I wonder if I will see a cybertruck or a hummer ev first. So far haven’t seen either in person. Probably the hummer. I've seen two hummers one on the road and one parked on the lawn in front of a dealership near me
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I see a lot of Lightnings around and every time I boggle at what a pain in the rear end it must be to park in tight parking lots, like all full-size trucks.
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Failson posted:Spotted a Hummer EV already, pulling out of a Starbucks drive through, because of course. I saw one out in the hamptons and yeah my immediate reactions was that it looks small compared to a gas hummer.
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I know this is going to come as a shock to you all, but the Tesla CCS retrofit promised for tesla's web site posted:Note: For Model 3 and Model Y vehicles requiring a retrofit, please check back in mid-2023 for availability. e: for those in our home audience, this matters because as NACS connectors get added to non-Tesla L3 charging stations, older Teslas like mine will be unable to charge, even though the connector fits. cruft fucked around with this message at 15:08 on Oct 19, 2023 |
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cruft posted:I know this is going to come as a shock to you all, but the Tesla CCS retrofit promised for This is why I honestly don't think NACS is going to happen and why all the automakers have given themselves such long runways to make what should basically be a simple connector change, NACS is going to screw Tesla drivers and objectively make their charging both more confusing and less accessible. I know Elon loves his fed handouts but this will make buying any used Tesla a dice roll at this point on charging.
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cruft posted:I know this is going to come as a shock to you all, but the Tesla CCS retrofit promised for Wait, so old Teslas won't be able to use non-Tesla chargers even after they add NACS connectors? Isn't that their own standard? This seems overly confusing.
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Seems like they should just ship you an adapter. Retrofitting sounds like a lot.
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WhiteHowler posted:Wait, so old Teslas won't be able to use non-Tesla chargers even after they add NACS connectors? The open NACS format is CCS1 with a different plug. Pre-2021 North American Teslas don't speak CCS1, so whoops, sorry owners! Vegetable posted:Seems like they should just ship you an adapter. Retrofitting sounds like a lot. New NACS-> old NACS adapter sounds weird. Knowing Tesla, they'll probably do this.
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Three Olives posted:This is why I honestly don't think NACS is going to happen and why all the automakers have given themselves such long runways to make what should basically be a simple connector change, NACS is going to screw Tesla drivers and objectively make their charging both more confusing and less accessible. I know Elon loves his fed handouts but this will make buying any used Tesla a dice roll at this point on charging. 1.5 years isn’t really a long runway for an auto maker to make even a relatively small change. They have to source parts from somewhere and that somewhere needs enough time to scale production and build back stock.
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I’d agree with 3Os skepticism if EA hadn’t made everyone loathe them. The lesser of 2 evils was chosen.
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Old tesla won't charge? That's too bad, we'll sell you a new one.
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So what exactly is the "old tesla"? When is the cutoff?
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Nitrox posted:So what exactly is the "old tesla"? When is the cutoff? Tesla didn't begin shipping cars in North America with built-in CCS1 support until 2020. Every NA CCS1 compatible Tesla will be able to use a Chargepoint(or any other non-Supercharger) using NACS connectors, except for those unlucky older Tesla owners. This isn't that big of a deal since 90% of all public DCFC stalls in NA are Tesla Superchargers anyway.
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How can the Teslas upgrade their charging speed anyway, and by that measure, why can't other EVs?
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GreenBuckanneer posted:How can the Teslas upgrade their charging speed anyway, and by that measure, why can't other EVs? What's this post referring to? The last time any of the T brand cars had any significant boost was when the Supercharger V3 network came out (125kW limit to 250kW limit), and only the newer models could really take advantage of that. V4 promises similar boosts but it seems only the Cybertruck will take advantage of that in the early stages (800V, 350kW+).
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NACS to NACS adapters potentially having to be a thing is funny as hell
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cruft's second guide to charging standards Preface: connectors vs protocols The first thing you have to understand is that there are (at least) two aspects to a charger: there's the physical connector and the protocol. It's not unlike USB, Apple's lightning cable, and Thunderbolt. There are different connectors that go into different ports, but even then, you might get different functionality based on what the devices are capable of. So with USB3 (the blue connector), you can plug a USB3 hard drive into a 2005 laptop, but you won't get USB3 speeds, because the laptop only speaks USB2. Similarly, even though you can adapt USB C to USB A, that doesn't mean old phone chargers can fast charge new phones: a high-quality older USB charger will never provide more than 10W. Common Protocols in the United States:
Common plugs in the United States:
 Chargers You Might Find in the US in the year 2026:
The NACS connector + CCS protocol is undergoing a standardization process that may yield something different, or may be the same thing we have now in 2023. Whatever we wind up with will be called SAE J3400, and will be what everybody gets with their 2026 GM EV. Adapters that might exist in 2026:
Adapters I don't think you will ever see:
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NACS is like the Apple Lightning cable of EVs except every manufacturer is begrudgingly going to start using since there's no neat USB-C version. I kind of feel bad for Europe since they have to deal with clunky CCS2 connectors for the foreseeable future.
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cruft's incomplete overview of weird poo poo in other countries Let's talk about other standards!
European CCS2 cars speak the CCS protocol, just like CCS1 and (post-maybe-2021) NACS cars. ChaoJi, and the earlier CHAdeMO, take a very different approach to several key things like "which side locks the charger to the car" and "how electricity delivery is negotiated". Any adapter between these two will need expensive electronics in the adapter itself. Tesla made that CHAdeMO to Tesla adapter, so we know this sort of thing is possible. But it was $450. cruft fucked around with this message at 19:46 on Oct 19, 2023 |
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Once 25+ year-old iconic EVs become able to import, we'll either see CCS2->CCS1 conversion kits IMO. That's gonna be a while from now though. What EU-only EVs are iconic right now, the Honda E?
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Nfcknblvbl posted:Once 25+ year-old iconic EVs become able to import, we'll either see CCS2->CCS1 conversion kits IMO. That's gonna be a while from now though. What EU-only EVs are iconic right now, the Honda E? Yeah, I think I actually did find a company that made something to convert... CHAdeMO maybe, to CCS1. It was this big ol' box, like, 18 inches on each side, and it may have required a battery or AC power. And it was like $1200. A CCS2 to CCS1 (or vice-versa) conversion wouldn't be a big deal, by comparison. But people dedicated to having a Japanese EV for whatever reason will put up with all manner of inconvenience, because what's one more questionable decision. cruft fucked around with this message at 18:01 on Oct 19, 2023 |
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Tiny Timbs posted:NACS to NACS adapters potentially having to be a thing is funny as hell I added a bullet point to my "things that I don't think will ever exist", thanks for mentioning it. If you have an older Tesla without the retrofit, like I do right now, you just won't be able to use ChargePoint or EA station, just like you always haven't been able to. It's lame, but at least you can (maybe, someday) drop money on retrofitting your car to the newer standard, unlike the situation with the Nissan LEAF, where you are just boned forever.
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cruft posted:If you have an older Tesla without the retrofit, like I do right now, you just won't be able to use ChargePoint or EA station, just like you always haven't been able to. It's lame, but at least you can (maybe, someday) drop money on retrofitting your car to the newer standard, unlike the situation with the Nissan LEAF, where you are just boned forever. Nisan STILL makes their Leafs with CHAdeMO to this day!
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Weird that Tesla keeps pushing back the CCS retrofit availability, from what I understand it's just a new ECU in the trunk and a wiring adapter for some older models. People are already doing DIY installs, since the ECU is available. There's probably about 500k-600k cars that could be updated, but the uptake rate on a $400 optional change isn't going to be super high I would bet. Plus as I said people are already doing it themselves, so that should have cut demand as well.
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Zoe's are everywhere but I doubt many people will want to import one
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I wrote all that down mostly because of a thing GATOS Y VATOS posted that triggered me spending hours going through old cruft shitposts to find the first time I did it. CAT INTERCEPTOR, I would like to formally apply for a link to cruft's second guide to charging standards in the OP, so I never have to read my old posts again. Some of them are really bad. If anybody wants corrections/additions to my guide, please holler.
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