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poemdexter posted:code written using AI copilot software was worse than code written by devs. and thats sayin something
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rotor posted:and thats sayin something i'm in a work presentation where this team is showing off what AI tools they played with and how they sorta worked or didn't work at all and all the questions in the meeting chat are just people begging to get access to it all totally ignoring that the presentation is just the team saying hey maybe this stuff is ok if you're extremely critical of the output and not gonna do your work for you.
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Jan 10, 2024 19:32
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I pray to not hear about AI for 24 full hours without having to move into the amish country side.
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Jan 10, 2024 19:36
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bad news: you can't spell amish without AI
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Jan 10, 2024 19:38
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Salt Fish posted:I pray to not hear about AI for 24 full hours without having to move into the amish country side. It's better than presentations talking about blockchain and metaverse which were complete wastes of time since none of that tech will help anyone ever. Not implying that AI will help, but it could help if you are critical of the output but lol. People are gonna ask questions that they don't know the answers to and completely believe AI output because they don't have the skills/knowledge to be critical of the output unless it throws an exception. Also this presentation is good because it just shows how much job security I will have because I know how to read a doc to solve a problem instead of asking a markov chain to gently caress up my codebase. poemdexter fucked around with this message at 19:42 on Jan 10, 2024 |
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Jan 10, 2024 19:39
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its exasperating like there are absolutely legit uses for AI in my company so you cant just dismiss it out of hand like you could with blockchain, but 90% of the proposed projects are just resume-driven development
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Jan 10, 2024 19:42
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poemdexter posted:It's better than presentations talking about blockchain and metaverse which were complete wastes of time since none of that tech will help anyone ever. Not implying that AI will help, but it could help if you are critical of the output but lol. People are gonna ask questions that they don't know the answers to and completely believe AI output because they don't have the skills/knowledge to be critical of the output unless it throws an exception. the american education system finally accomplished something by producing many generations of students fully prepared for an enforced AI economy
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Jan 10, 2024 19:49
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rotor posted:its exasperating like there are absolutely legit uses for AI in my company so you cant just dismiss it out of hand like you could with blockchain, but 90% of the proposed projects are just resume-driven development I don't even think blockchain stuff was DOA. We just couldn't find a convincing use for it beyond "grift money from people with FOMO about missing bubbles 1.0 and 2.0 and turn them into bag holders" just like AI. Everybody wants to see their pile of money get bigger with no effort. if you don't have the potential to make a bunch of money off AI, you are probably 1000x more critical of it and willing to consider its downsides. blockchain science was an interesting proposal for creating immutable distributed logs of activity but the only nail we could find for that hammer was "make money" because in modern society, the only way to give something widely accepted value is to staple dollar bills to it.
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Jan 10, 2024 20:04
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Jonny 290 posted:I don't even think blockchain stuff was DOA. Jonny 290 posted:blockchain science was an interesting proposal
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Jan 10, 2024 20:07
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BMan posted:yes it was cant argue with that.
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Jan 10, 2024 20:09
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rotor posted:its exasperating like there are absolutely legit uses for AI in my company so you cant just dismiss it out of hand like you could with blockchain, but 90% of the proposed projects are just resume-driven development can you give an example of a legit use
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Jan 10, 2024 20:09
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BMan posted:yes it was do go on
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I am no longer of the opinion that LLMs have no valid uses, just that the valid uses don’t provide nearly enough value to make them worth the damage they have done/will do. Not enough people are willing to consider that something can be good AND not worth it. You do not, under any circumstances, have to hand it to them, but the Mennonites have figured this out. Generally pragmatic with regard to incorporating new technologies and with conscious evaluation of the societal and cultural impact.
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Jan 10, 2024 20:14
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Jonny 290 posted:do go on let's boil the oceans to power the world's slowest database. what an interesting proposal
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Jan 10, 2024 20:23
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Wayne Knight posted:I am no longer of the opinion that LLMs have no valid uses, just that the valid uses don’t provide nearly enough value to make them worth the damage they have done/will do. Not enough people are willing to consider that something can be good AND not worth it. You do not, under any circumstances, have to hand it to them, but the Mennonites have figured this out. Generally pragmatic with regard to incorporating new technologies and with conscious evaluation of the societal and cultural impact. absolutely agree w/ this post
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Jan 10, 2024 20:25
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its not like that for smaller ones. i agree that trying to use it for like a list of all monetary transactions is dumb and energy inefficient
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Wayne Knight posted:I am no longer of the opinion that LLMs have no valid uses, just that the valid uses don’t provide nearly enough value to make them worth the damage they have done/will do. Not enough people are willing to consider that something can be good AND not worth it. You do not, under any circumstances, have to hand it to them, but the Mennonites have figured this out. Generally pragmatic with regard to incorporating new technologies and with conscious evaluation of the societal and cultural impact. Is lead paint a good analogy? It's great, just like leaded gasoline, (also we still have lead in av-gas). This might be giving LLM stuff too much credit comparing it to lead.
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Jan 10, 2024 20:31
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An LLM is a good content summarizer like asbestos is a good fire retardant.
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Jan 10, 2024 20:34
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at least lead is a good tasting sweetener
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Jan 10, 2024 20:36
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even for customer support, the first field were no more humans will work soon, the randomness and suggestibility introduced by badly tuned ai means its too risky. so what well get is "ai companies" programming support bots to respond with a combination of 30 pre approved snippets, swearing up and down that what theyre doing is real ai work
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Jan 10, 2024 20:37
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it won't get used this way but an ai chatbot could be useful as a support duck. ask it questions and try the stuff it suggests without believing it too hard.
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i like the asbestos analogy
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I have a bad feeling that the fist of copyright won't smash ai for red queen reasons; if a state regulates generative ai products out of existence, they'll just go to somewhere else where the things are legal. but it's possible things will work out more positively; the us historically has been very successful enforcing its strict copyright regime across the globe, and also is incapable of legislating so if the stuff gets deemed illegal a fix law will be difficult to pass
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nrook posted:I have a bad feeling that the fist of copyright won't smash ai for red queen reasons; if a state regulates generative ai products out of existence, they'll just go to somewhere else where the things are legal. but it's possible things will work out more positively; the us historically has been very successful enforcing its strict copyright regime across the globe, and also is incapable of legislating so if the stuff gets deemed illegal a fix law will be difficult to pass it'll cut off a lot of the money pouring into AI if it becomes impractical to license it to anyone doing business in the US or anyone in the same international copyright regime. it'll definitely still get used for illicit or deceptive purposes but that won't be nearly as disruptive to the tech industry, just another type of nuisance content to deal with we probably shouldn't rely on copyright lawsuits to save us but there is an awful lot of money in content creation and it does get spent on lawyers
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Jonny 290 posted:do go on
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Jan 10, 2024 20:55
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blockchain was the solution-looking-for-a-problemest technology I've ever seen
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it was. i also think we stopped looking for valid applications for it once cryptocurrency started. i dont like, LIKE blockchain poo poo, i just think we were very lazy with it and chose the path of violence because it was easy
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cryptocurrency was the first thing anyone did with it? And there were tons of attempts to make "public ledger" nonsense and it was all garbage
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nrook posted:I have a bad feeling that the fist of copyright won't smash ai for red queen reasons; if a state regulates generative ai products out of existence, they'll just go to somewhere else where the things are legal. but it's possible things will work out more positively; the us historically has been very successful enforcing its strict copyright regime across the globe, and also is incapable of legislating so if the stuff gets deemed illegal a fix law will be difficult to pass well just get laws regulating the output (no more mickey mouse porn or full book chapters!) with nothing changing about input for training data
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The Fool posted:cryptocurrency was the first thing anyone did with it? i think we are pretty much on the same page and might be talking past each other at this point. but yeah.
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yeah like i'm not gonna say there's zero applications for it but
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rotor posted:blockchain was the solution-looking-for-a-problemest technology I've ever seen Blockchain and silly putty occupy the same space in my brain for cool thing with no practical usefulness.
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The lead paint analogy is really good. I think it mixes well with the earlier idea of "those who like AI the most enjoy it because they also have no internal self". When you combine them you get basically "the people that like AI the most are the same people that love to drink lead paint".
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Archduke Frantz Fanon posted:on the day where the new hotness in tech is whining about how they can't innovate1 without breaking the law The guy who ruined Windows 8 has a substack where he does exactly that: https://hardcoresoftware.learningbyshipping.com/p/211-regulating-ai-by-executive-order
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no use for blockchain? how quickly everyone forgets about aws' quantum ledger database! https://aws.amazon.com/qldb/ this is an even bigger piece of poo poo than you are imagining
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Asleep Style posted:no use for blockchain? how quickly everyone forgets about aws' quantum ledger database! we had a guy from this project join our team and he was the biggest piece of poo poo lol
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ADINSX posted:we had a guy from this project join our team and he was the biggest piece of poo poo lol tell him I'm going to kick his rear end
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of all the various tech fads i can think of the only one that actually succeeded was e-commerce, and even then it "succeeded" in the form of amazon.com existing, there was never an actual healthy multi-polar e-commerce marketplace. what was the earliest tech fad anyway, peer-to-peer? maybe object oriented programming.
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social media was not the earliest, but caught on. "Apps".
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nrook posted:I have a bad feeling that the fist of copyright won't smash ai for red queen reasons; if a state regulates generative ai products out of existence, they'll just go to somewhere else where the things are legal. but it's possible things will work out more positively; the us historically has been very successful enforcing its strict copyright regime across the globe, and also is incapable of legislating so if the stuff gets deemed illegal a fix law will be difficult to pass i don't feel like there's much chance of a copyright ruling against it given the previous ruling that google image search consuming vast quantities of copyrighted images to produce a search engine that shows thumbnails of said images was fair use. there are many differences between the two things, but none of them are really relevant to the fair use principals at play.
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