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speaking of which... where is a good place to look for jobs now? last 5+ years of jobs for me were all following friends or proactive recruiters. it feels like LinkedIn and indeed have lots of jobs but also literally hundreds or thousands of applicants for every one. I got laid off a couple weeks ago, I haven't hit up my network yet, because I need a break to detox my brain after a year and a half of just ultra toxic startup burnout. casually looking around in the meantime. see also: raminasi posted:i wish, when i was considering joining a startup, i'd asked myself how much time i was willing to spend managing the egos of a pair of twenty-somethings who have lots of authority but absolutely zero leadership experience. Mao Zedong Thot fucked around with this message at 03:09 on Feb 10, 2024 |
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they let actual adults have vc funding sometimes too, should go and find them
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bob dobbs is dead posted:they let actual adults have vc funding sometimes too, should go and find them they're still sociopaths
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yeah, but they're 40-hours-per-week sociopaths can't expect non-sociopaths in modern business, startup or no bob dobbs is dead fucked around with this message at 03:19 on Feb 10, 2024 |
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bob dobbs is dead posted:yeah, but they're 40-hours-per-week sociopaths well, you can, but they probably won't last long 
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im not sure if i am just "lucky" but the last two jobs i have had at startups were in greentech and they were 10x more sociopath than normal its kinda easy to imagine them gravitating to an ethical-sounding company for the moral high ground but also maybe i just have insanely bad luck
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Corla Plankun posted:im not sure if i am just "lucky" but the last two jobs i have had at startups were in greentech and they were 10x more sociopath than normal its the ethical-sounding nature of it. charities are 100x sociopaths, ethical-sounding companies are 10x sociopaths. see a charity, expect some sociopaths lots of that poo poo is just modern-day indulgences. you wouldn't expect actual ethical behavior from johann tetzel, right? or more recently, sam bankman-fried bob dobbs is dead fucked around with this message at 05:51 on Feb 11, 2024 |
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I can imagine that space being filled with self-proclaimed messiahs for sure
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Getting paid US $200k today is the equivalent of getting $160k back when this thread started in 2018.
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Corla Plankun posted:being forgotten by, and not having to worry about, my coworkers anymore is the main advantage of leaving a job; and now I have to actively maintain a rolodex of trustworthy bosses because it is not enough to please hiring managers now, I must also have--verifiably!--behaved in a way that they liked before I ever met them how are you developing a professional network if you're actively attempting to lose contact with all your former coworkers? bob dobbs is dead posted:yeah, but they're 40-hours-per-week sociopaths ours aren't sociopaths, they're just bad line engineers, but the company is still small enough that we haven't had the conversation about taking their repo keys away yet so there's a lot of personality management. and it's not less personality management than any other executive needs - it just hits a little different when the executive is noticeably younger than me.
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Corla Plankun posted:being forgotten by, and not having to worry about, my coworkers anymore is the main advantage of leaving a job; and now I have to actively maintain a rolodex of trustworthy bosses because it is not enough to please hiring managers now, I must also have--verifiably!--behaved in a way that they liked before I ever met them none of this is new. references have been a thing forever. poo poo, it used to be expected that you provide references on your resume. the only thing that has 'changed' here is that you got away with not having references when you were inexperienced. now that you've been around the block, references should be available. if you're burning all your references, that's on you
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Hed posted:Getting paid US $200k today is the equivalent of getting $160k back when this thread started in 2018. is taht good
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outhole surfer posted:none of this is new. references have been a thing forever. poo poo, it used to be expected that you provide references on your resume. its prolly indeed their fault but more on the "working with companies that advertise themselves as particularly ethical" mistake than the "burning references" mistake. I burned all my contacts with those sorta places too, too many little shits
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back before i had established a decent set of references, i tried to have a classmate fill in as one instead of saying good things about group projects and such, they basically said "yeah, i sorta know him". hiring manager loved my other reference, gave me the job, and told me to never use that reference again somehow 20 years later, bad reference dude is still one of my best friends
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post hole digger posted:is taht good I don't think a lot of people realized you need to make 25% more just to break even in 6 years. I certainly didn't.
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when you put it that way.... 
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remember, when they give you a sub-inflation raise, it's a pay cut
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Corla Plankun posted:im not sure if i am just "lucky" but the last two jobs i have had at startups were in greentech and they were 10x more sociopath than normal https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yexzWQD1vv8&t=86s
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raminasi posted:i wish, when i was considering joining a startup, i'd asked myself how much time i was willing to spend managing the egos of a pair of twenty-somethings who have lots of authority but absolutely zero leadership experience. i just finished getting rejected by a startup last week and i probably should have seen this coming they're series C company so theoretically they should have some adult supervision at this point. but everyone in the process was a bunch of 25 year old dudes, one of whom used the phrase "lifelong autodidact" on his linkedin so i should have had the sense here that this was going to be a stinker
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kitten smoothie posted:used the phrase "lifelong autodidact" on his linkedin euggh
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ignorant and fuckin proud of it
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kitten smoothie posted:they're series C company so theoretically they should have some adult supervision at this point. but everyone in the process was a bunch of 25 year old dudes, one of whom used the phrase "lifelong autodidact" on his linkedin so i should have had the sense here that this was going to be a stinker Once, I submitted an application to a company that had a bit of a former startup vibe. For reference, I was just coming off a Master's in Compsci, with some minor work experience. Their first email back, apart from the automated stuff, was them saying, "We're sorry, but we don't think you have experience for the Intermediate Developer position, but we'd interview you for a Junior Developer position." You know, the one you give someone fresh out of their first degree. I was not too happy about this, but I did need a job, so I resolved to go see what all the fuss was about. I ended up sitting down with a few important people, including the company founder, who was a young guy. He said to me, "I don't think your Master's degree's worth anything, because I'm not educated myself." Apart from that, the interview went vaguely OK. On the way out of the building, I noticed a photo hung up in pride of place in the lobby: it was a Christmas photo of the office team... dressed up as a happy family, with one person in costume as the family dog. Thankfully, I did not get the job.
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Quackles posted:
that last guy is the one who pushed hard for the photo
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the cs bachelors at my university was unaccredited, and you entered a 5 year program ending with a meng. you could guarantee only a handful out of any graduating class had real world experience beyond their three coop semesters
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to my understanding most cs degrees are unaccredited. maybe universities housing computer science in their school of engineering sometimes meet whatever random abet standards, but a huge proportion of "good" schools for cs just do whatever they want. at my university at least, the cs department is tacked into the same school as math, biology, physics, and chemistry; they're not about to jump through engineering curriculum rigor hoops
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ABET accreditation mostly involves required courses in physics, chemistry, multivariable calculus and differential equations. Not really all that useful for most of us.
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ultrafilter posted:ABET accreditation mostly involves required courses in physics, chemistry, multivariable calculus and differential equations. Not really all that useful for most of us. My university offered two tracks for CS. One was ABET accredited and needed all that, plus a specific set of mandatory CS courses. The other non-ABET track required no physics, chemistry, or diff eq, and you got an easier statistics class too. The "mandatory" CS courses on the accredited track were ones it would behoove you to take, regardless of your choice. My advisor told me point blank the non-ABET track was fine but he wasn't gonna let me off the hook on compilers class. It's been 20+ years and I can safely say I have absolutely, positively, zero regrets over opting for the non-ABET so I could take classes like photography and fiction writing instead of physics and chemistry
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i think they killed the cs pe or a similar program cause nobody was doing it and nobody was hiring for it
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i recall having like, a roaring argument buncha years back with like, nbsd or someone about how the cs pe is fuckin worthless
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cs pee lol
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the place i went to was going for accreditation. your first year you had to do a whole bunch of general chem, physics, materials, etc. (that literally everyone in any engineering degree had to do), but that was kind of it the only non-compsci papers you had to do past that first year was stuff like "engineering management" and "engineering statistics", which I have legitimately found professionally useful. i haven't followed up on whether it actually ended up being an accredited program because literally nobody in my entire career has given a poo poo
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my homie dhall posted:top 50
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lord fifth posted:had an actually terrible interview experience with a team at the fruit company. they made me write a linked list deletion routine and i spent like 10 minutes convincing them that what i wrote was correct. i didnt even do anything weird, i genuinely had to walk them through how deletion works when THEY asked me the question i got "very positive feedback" on this interview and the crooter wants to call me. proving yet again that i have no idea how jobs and interviews work
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lord fifth posted:i got "very positive feedback" on this interview and the crooter wants to call me. proving yet again that i have no idea how jobs and interviews work you wanna think "nerd hazing". you feel good about it afterwards, that just mean they gave up 2 minutes in and started nodding and thinking about lunch. you get burnt to a crisp and think you're human scum afterwards, that meant you were a serious candidate i dont like it but thats often how it is
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if i have to go back to california i swear to god
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lord fifth posted:if i have to go back to california i swear to god 
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oh cool the Riverside livestream is up
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i went to riverside once never again.
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offer get  i will tolerate san diego
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