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Xykon also knows exactly where to teleport to edit: actually the timeline is ambiguous. It depends on whether or not some time passed between R&X heading off to the Astral Plane and the Order arriving at the Canyon. Alchenar fucked around with this message at 14:57 on Feb 24, 2012 |
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Did anyone else think of the Creeping Doom spell? Then again that's centipedes and normal bugs would be attracted to a pile of corpses too, but just at first glance that's what I thought of. Although yeah my money's on this all being a complex illusion - he's an epic-level illusion, what illusion is more epic in scope than crafting what appears to be an epic illusion maze that has been destroyed from within?
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Feb 24, 2012 14:53
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Stabbey_the_Clown posted:Maybe the bodies didn't smell like rotting corpses to Belkar because they're not rotting so much as mummifying? People seem to be forgetting that this is set in a major desert. Mummified remains probably smell weird, compared to a rotting corpse. And belkar has probably never smelled a mummy before.
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Feb 24, 2012 16:16
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Johnny Aztec posted:People seem to be forgetting that this is set in a major desert. Mummified remains probably smell weird, compared to a rotting corpse. And belkar has probably never smelled a mummy before. Mummified corpses don't smell nearly as bad. Still not great, but nowhere near as bad.
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Feb 24, 2012 16:20
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Cuchulain posted:Mummified corpses don't smell nearly as bad. Still not great, but nowhere near as bad. Also mummified corpses are, well, mummified.
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Feb 24, 2012 16:28
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Dolash posted:Did anyone else think of the Creeping Doom spell? Then again that's centipedes and normal bugs would be attracted to a pile of corpses too, but just at first glance that's what I thought of. Creeping Doom would be insanely more creepers than that, even as it now exists in 3.5 (I laugh to think of how it was in 2e). ...hey! OotS hasn't made a single joke about the swarm rules, have they? Think of the potential.
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Feb 24, 2012 16:55
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New comic! It's uhhhhh... Well it's certainly a thing alright. I'm far from being an expert on DnD rules but that looks like Creeping Doom to me. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Feb 24, 2012 17:34
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MechanicalTomPetty posted:New comic! It's uhhhhh... You bastard.
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Feb 24, 2012 17:36
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I'm liking the Familicide option. The description of the spell is that "Every living creature that shares your bloodline is dead. Every living creature that is directly related to any of those those creatures is also dead." So let's say that Girard's big secret was that he was a Black Dragon who shapeshifted into human form for the duration of the Order of the Scribble quest, and then found that he liked it and stayed that way. Or, alternatively, that he was half dragon in the first place. That means that when the Familicide went off, it killed him and all his descendants in one go. It also killed everyone related to those descendants, and since Penelope was the mother of one of Girard's descendants, it took her out too. Since neither Nale nor Tarquin killed Penelope, and no one else had reason to, I'm guessing that V did it, because Rich loves to play the unintended consequences card. And since we all thought that the only downside to casting Familicide was the stain on V's soul, to have it come back to bite the team in the rear end is just how he likes to run things. Seriously. Elan blows up the castle, which sics Miko on the Order. Celia gives Roy the Summoning Charm, but since she doesn't realize he can't shoot lightning, it contributes to Roy's death and helps Haley get her rear end moving when she needed to. Nale infiltrates the Order to get revenge on Elan by killing his friends and ends up putting the IFCC onto the whole Gate situation through Sabine. And so on and so forth. Dude loves writing his twists and turns, and having V's rage induced Familicide end up slaughtering the defenders of the very Gate he/she's out to protect is exactly the kind of thing Rich would do. My money's on V's Familicide, both because it's the most dramatic possibility, but also because it's the kind of twist our favorite millionaire enjoys writing.
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Feb 24, 2012 18:20
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jng2058 posted:So let's say that Girard's big secret was that he was a Black Dragon who shapeshifted into human form for the duration of the Order of the Scribble quest, and then found that he liked it and stayed that way. Or, alternatively, that he was half dragon in the first place. Hell, he could be one one hundredth or so dragon, with the dragon blood being nothing more than an old family story and his surname at this point. That dragon V killed was an oldie.
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Feb 24, 2012 18:26
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Five bucks says the statue of Girard is actually Girard petrified. So he could be unfrozen one day to fight once more!
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Feb 24, 2012 18:50
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I find the Familicide thing unlikely because I really doubt that we're not going to get a reveal of Haley/her dad being related to Draketooth in some fashion and she's pretty noticeably not dead.Speedball posted:Five bucks says the statue of Girard is actually Girard petrified. Also this.
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Feb 24, 2012 18:54
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ImpAtom posted:I find the Familicide thing unlikely because I really doubt that we're not going to get a reveal of Haley/her dad being related to Draketooth in some fashion and she's pretty noticeably not dead. Them being just distant enough to escape the spell would not be out of sorts.
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Feb 24, 2012 18:57
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For Those wondering how they could get just the digital stuff and not the magnet for the kickstarter drive, I just got a survey from kickstarter asking for my shipping address and if I wanted a magnet or just the digital stuff. So there's your answer.
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Feb 24, 2012 21:42
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ImpAtom posted:I find the Familicide thing unlikely because I really doubt that we're not going to get a reveal of Haley/her dad being related to Draketooth in some fashion and she's pretty noticeably not dead. 
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Feb 24, 2012 22:09
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NihilCredo posted:I think the Western Continent plot arc has had enough unexpected family reunions as it is They called Haley's dad Red. He had a place in the desert to run to. He is totally a Draketooth. Think of symmetry, both Elan and Haley going through this.
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Feb 24, 2012 22:24
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MechanicalTomPetty posted:New comic! It's uhhhhh... Welcome to two pages ago. 
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Feb 24, 2012 22:25
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My money is that it is all an illusion, you notice that Durkon hasn't gone into the room yet and he still has True Seeing running. Either way I suspect we will find out when he enters the room. Is there any way an illusionist can overcome true seeing? That would sort of be the ultimate illusion. Of course if something is that real, perhaps it really is real, as opposed to just an illusion. So it would be an illusion so real it IS real. Wheels within wheels man.
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Feb 24, 2012 22:39
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The spell Major Image actually creates smells, by the way. So an epic level Illusionist could have made a fake version of this scene fairly easily. Though jng2058 made a compelling argument, I think I'm tossing my vote in with his.
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Feb 24, 2012 22:43
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Galahad posted:My money is that it is all an illusion, you notice that Durkon hasn't gone into the room yet and he still has True Seeing running. Either way I suspect we will find out when he enters the room. Well, we are dealing with epic level magic. It's possible to overcome non-epic magic just by using epic magic. An epic level illusion could definitely beat true seeing, especially since an illusionist would know that true seeing exists and could work to create an illusion spell that would defeat it.
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Feb 24, 2012 22:51
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Galahad posted:My money is that it is all an illusion, you notice that Durkon hasn't gone into the room yet and he still has True Seeing running. Either way I suspect we will find out when he enters the room. He could always bake Seed: Ward into his epic illusion.
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Feb 24, 2012 22:55
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Maybe the big reveal is that Draketooth isn't a magical illusionist at all and is in fact just really really good at doing mundane special effects.
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Feb 24, 2012 23:21
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Please cast Raise Dead and ask what the hell's going on. 
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Feb 24, 2012 23:41
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Tinyn posted:They called Haley's dad Red. So? Haley was referred to as "Red" long before.
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Feb 24, 2012 23:57
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I strongly doubt we'll see Draketooth alive. I'll bet he died of natural causes like Dorukan and Soon did. I mean, their adventure happened a really long time ago. I mean, Lord Shojo wasn't the ruler of city after Soon, Shojo's father was. And Shojo himself was a small child when Soon retired. Even if Draketooth is younger then Soon, he would still be long dead of old age. If I had to wager what happened to the people, I'll bet that somebody poisoned everyone to keep them from revealing the secret. I'll bet it was Draketooth  .
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Javid posted:Them being just distant enough to escape the spell would not be out of sorts. Yeah but then more of the family members at the pyramid would have survived. Dedhed posted:Dorukan Edit: Also if girard was part dragon like people are suggesting he would have a longer lifespan so could still be alive, even without epic level magic, whichis likely to have kept Dorukan alive. Rumda fucked around with this message at 00:30 on Feb 25, 2012 |
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Honestly, I'm also liking the "Girard is the statue" version. Given that he was paranoid about Soon and the Sapphire Guard coming for his Gate, I don't think he'd let something as paltry as death slow him down. No, I can see him having himself petrified with some kind of Contingency spell set to cast Stone to Flesh as soon as the Gate's threatened or one of his descendants calls out the command word or something. And, since he wasn't alive when it was cast, being a statue protected him from the Familicide...and means that we've got a paranoid and likely vengeance crazed Epic Ranger(?)Rogue(?)/Illusionist ready to make this a four way battle between the Order, the Guild, Team Evil, and the crazy Illusionist. Should be epic, and not just because there'll be at least two Epic Level characters involved.
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Feb 25, 2012 00:38
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Dramatically, it makes the most sense if Serini is the only Scribble member that the Order of the Stick actually gets to meet. Anyone who was there is gong to be able to answer a lot of questions, and that'll probably get held off until the finale.
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CapnAndy posted:Dramatically, it makes the most sense if Serini is the only Scribble member that the Order of the Stick actually gets to meet. Anyone who was there is gong to be able to answer a lot of questions, and that'll probably get held off until the finale. Yeah but even if the party meets Girard then its incredibly unlikely even if they get in his good books that he will answer their questions.
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Feb 25, 2012 00:50
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Rumda posted:Yeah but even if the party meets Girard then its incredibly unlikely even if they get in his good books that he will answer their questions.
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Feb 25, 2012 00:54
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In the podcast interview Burlew gave recently, he hinted that we would get to hear some more details about the history of the Order of the Scribble, and why Girard distrusted Soon in this arc.
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Ho-lee poo poo. Wild rear end speculation ahoy: - If Girard was in some way part dragon, AND - If he's related to Haley's dad, and thus Haley, AND - If Haley knows about the first two, THEN It could explain Haley's deep secret. The one that was never revealed back when she lost the ability to speak. The one that was phrased to sound like she was about to confess to being "not exactly what you would call” human. Waaaaaaay back here.
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Feb 25, 2012 02:40
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The flaw in your theory is that she's not dead.
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Feb 25, 2012 02:45
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Geshtal posted:Ho-lee poo poo. Wild rear end speculation ahoy: Haley did claim to be half-dragon once, even if it was in jest 
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Bobulus posted:The flaw in your theory is that she's not dead. There could be a relation-distance thing. The core Draketooths were a little inbreed so they stayed a high-fraction of dragon, while Haley's Dad left, and maybe his Dad left too, so they fell below the familicide cutoff.
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Feb 25, 2012 02:55
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What would happen if you tried to Speak With Dead on an epic illusion strong enough to defeat True Seeing?
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Tinyn posted:There could be a relation-distance thing. The core Draketooths were a little inbreed so they stayed a high-fraction of dragon, while Haley's Dad left, and maybe his Dad left too, so they fell below the familicide cutoff. I would point out that according to this strip, the modus operandi of the Draketooth clan seems to be to breed with outsiders, probably to directly avoid inbreeding, and then run away with the kids before they're old enough to remember their original life. Assuming Haley IS part Draketooth AND the Draketooths are part Black Dragon, she should be dead. So one of those two assumptions is probably wrong.
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Feb 25, 2012 03:20
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http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0838.html Roy asks Belkar if the smell is rotting corpses, and Belkar says no...so whats the deal with that exactly?
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Feb 25, 2012 03:29
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That the corpses are not rotting, duh.
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I get that... hence the question, whats the deal?
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