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Duke Chin
Jan 11, 2002

Roger That:
MILK CRATES INBOUND


- FUCK THE HABS -


Alereon posted:


...no one should be buying Seagate products.

Hah, poo poo, whoops, too late.

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Alereon
Feb 6, 2004

Dehumanize yourself and face to Trumpshed

College Slice

Ciaphas posted:

Okay, one more question before I decide what to do tomorrow. I'm home now, and Speccy identifies my RAM (both sticks) as this Patriot stick--CAS 11, PC3-12800 (DDR3 1600 [800mhz {why the gently caress are there three different nomenclatures for memory speed }]). For CAS, lower is better, and 11 is kind of poo poo, right? Does it make a huge difference?

(ed: for reference, I have an Asus B85M-E motherboard and an i5 4570)
Here's an article about memory performance scaling on Haswell you'll find useful, if a bit detailed. Overall you seem to take about a 5% performance penalty compared to faster RAM, as it's more of a situation where your RAM just has to be fast enough not to bottleneck. There are some outliers like data compression/decompression (WinRAR) and the game Thief (the new one) where memory bandwidth is extremely important, you can get up to a 30% boost from faster RAM. Expect more like 5% generally. You need at least DDR3-1600 to avoid dropped frames when watching HD video in situations where frames are being copied between the CPU and graphics card for processing prior to playback.

Duke Chin posted:

Hah, poo poo, whoops, too late.
Even BackBlaze's numbers show their current Seagate drives are doing fine, it's just that Seagate keeps doing poo poo like this, and I'd definitely prefer to own a HDD that tells me when it is dying via SMART error logs so I can get my data off rather than trying to conceal it so it dies outside the warranty period.

Ciaphas
Nov 20, 2005

> BEWARE, COWARD




Thanks, Alereon. I ended up just buying 2x8GB of G. Skill like you recommended. Those sticks look stupid as hell, but whatever, not like I need to see them for more than five minutes.

WuChou
Aug 28, 2002

Cosmic.

Having a weird issue with some driver and game crashes. I've got this MSI GTX 750ti for a few months now and when running Mortal Kombat X, it runs great for a while (upwards of 20 minutes tops) and then one of two things happens: Either 1) the whole screen blacks out, I get a windows error notification that the display driver has crashed/recovered and the game is crashed in the background, or 2) the game just stops cold and alt-tabbing out the game has crashed. Running Afterburner and reproducing the crash, in the case of 1 the GPU usage spikes to 100 at the moment of the crash and everything flatlines after; in the case of 2 there's no spike everything just flatlines to 0%. Everything else looks pretty stable though? Here's what afterburner stats look like in the case of the first crash. Additionally, If I relaunch without a full system reboot the game will crash super fast, sub-2 minutes every time until a full reboot. I've tried rolling back drivers, tried 350.12, 347.52, and one other stable release and it's been the same on all of them.

I had a similar problem with FFXIV where it just chain-crashed the display driver every 10 seconds or so but not the game itself. Until I googled and found some people having success turning down the core and memory clock and that worked for me, haven't had a problem since. But I've tinkered with those again and it's not solving anything for MK.

Sent a ticket to MSI and their responses was basically "try different drivers, reseat card, make sure you have power", which I've tried all of (PSU is this one, if it could be a problem). Any ideas, anything I'm missing? Should I just RMA this thing?

WuChou fucked around with this message at 06:23 on Apr 18, 2015

spasticColon
Sep 22, 2004

In loving memory of Donald Pleasance

Jago posted:

My guess is that something is up with the motherboard. Open the computer and see if you can pinpoint where the sound is coming from. Don't bump into the fans.

Well I opened the side of my case listened more closely and it sounds like its coming from the video card (ASUS GTX 660Ti) so coil whine then? It's really faint and it only does it when running a game with vsync turned off or when my system is idle but something accesses the SSD which is how I discovered the noise in the first place. My system including the video card seems to be running fine so I'm not worried about it but should I be worried?

Rexxed
May 1, 2010

Dis is amazing!
I gotta try dis!



spasticColon posted:

Well I opened the side of my case listened more closely and it sounds like its coming from the video card (ASUS GTX 660Ti) so coil whine then? It's really faint and it only does it when running a game with vsync turned off or when my system is idle but something accesses the SSD which is how I discovered the noise in the first place. My system including the video card seems to be running fine so I'm not worried about it but should I be worried?

It sounds like it's probably coil whine which isn't harmful, just annoying. If the sound changes in the future it could be a fan going bad but the consistent behavior you're seeing, where it makes the sound only under certain situations, doesn't sound like it's a fan.

Earl of Lavender
Jul 29, 2007

This is not my beautiful house!!

This is not my beautiful wife!!!


Pillbug

Is it possible for bad RAM to cause a machine to hang for about thirty seconds to a minute and then power off, or does that sound more like PSU/CPU/mobo?

Instant Grat
Jul 31, 2009

Just add
NERD RAAAAAAGE


Earl of Lavender posted:

Is it possible for bad RAM to cause a machine to hang for about thirty seconds to a minute and then power off, or does that sound more like PSU/CPU/mobo?

There's an easy way to figure out if your RAM is failing - MemTest86+.

Download the Auto-installer, run it, install it onto a USB drive, and boot from it. Let it run for at least one full pass. If it detects errors, it'll display them very prominently.

Earl of Lavender
Jul 29, 2007

This is not my beautiful house!!

This is not my beautiful wife!!!


Pillbug

Instant Grat posted:

There's an easy way to figure out if your RAM is failing - MemTest86+.

Already run this twice - once after I installed the new RAM, and once earlier today. No errors reported on either pass. My machine did bluescreen once after I installed the new RAM - I figured it was my lovely old Gigabyte AMD board not being able to handle 1600MHz, and it seemed perfectly stable after I dropped it down to 1333MHz.

Seems to be stable for the moment - I disabled all the power-saving C-state stuff on my CPU, and also forced my RAM timings back to 11-11-11-28 from 9-9-9-24, which only seem to be supported under XMP.

Earl of Lavender fucked around with this message at 13:02 on Apr 19, 2015

EmpyreanFlux
Mar 1, 2013

The AUDACITY! The IMPUDENCE! The unabated NERVE!


I've somehow cornered myself into a lovely situation with a relative. My aunt has a computer that's from 2003, an old Dell 4600C monstrosity, and she is insanely attached to it for sentimental reasons - so I can't chuck it.

At the same time, she wants it to do video and image editing, play flash level/'big fish' games and in general be fairly responsive compared to the slug it is now. Normally, for a slimline form factor this wouldn't be insurmountable, except it has an AGP port, the MB tray is proprietary, and the PSU is proprietary. It's also cramped as hell, gets poor airflow and she wants me to drop a P4 550 into it that she bought, and I have no idea if I could even replace the HSF to prevent the computer form baking itself. Without changing this nearly 14 year old PSU first though, there is no way in hell I can do anything but put in the 2GB of RAM I have, I'm fairly sure any further power draw might just nuke the system.

gently caress, I'm not some loving technognome, why do people think I can just fix poo poo like magic . Can I fix this in anyway? Could I just secretly gut this computer, throw in an itx and somehow make a Flex or SFX PSU work? That's still way more expensive than just getting some 5 year old tech off ebay.

EmpyreanFlux fucked around with this message at 21:12 on Apr 19, 2015

Geemer
Nov 4, 2010




FaustianQ posted:

I've somehow cornered myself into a lovely situation with a relative. My aunt has a computer that's from 2003, am old Dell 4600C monstrosity, and she is insanely attached to for sentimental reasons - so I can't chuck it.

At the same time, she wants it to do video and image editing, play flash level/'big fish' games and in general be fairly responsive compared to the slug it is now. Normally, for a slimline form factor this wouldn't be insourmountable, expect it has an AGP port, the MB tray is proprietary, and the PSU is proprietary. It's also cramped as hell, gets poor airflow and she wants me to drop a P4 550 into it that she bought, and I have no idea if I could even replace the HSF to prevent the computer form baking itself. Without changing this nearly 14 year old PSU first though, there is no way in hell I can do anything but put in the 2GB of RAM I have, I'm fairly sure any further power draw might just nuke the system.

gently caress, I'm not some loving technognome, why do people think I can just fix poo poo like magic . Can I fix this in anyway? Could I just secretly gut this computer, throw in an itx and somehow make a Flex or SFX PSU work? That's still way more expensive than just getting some 5 year old tech off ebay.

If she wants to keep it so badly, let her keep it and then put a new computer next to it that she can play her lovely flash games on. Otherwise, just say it isn't possible/supported/whatever excuse and save yourself the headache. At 13 years old, the hard drive is probably already knee deep in the grave.

future ghost
Dec 5, 2005

det er noget at leve for

Gun Saliva

Unless you want to be permanent life support for this machine and provide free tech support every time a component dies, and it will in time, tell your aunt that it's not worth fixing. Putting another P4 in it won't improve performance enough to be worth the effort, the caps in the PSU and motherboard are EOL, and newer versions of Windows won't support it. If you must give her examples, you may have to find 'replacement' parts for everything likely to die, and give her a price list. It'll probably end up more than a new PC costs on the Dell outlet, and even if it doesn't you do not want to be locked into fixing that piece of poo poo.

Flipperwaldt
Nov 11, 2011

Won't somebody think of the starving hamsters in China?



Strip the case bare and put an Intel NUC inside with some velcro.

Alereon
Feb 6, 2004

Dehumanize yourself and face to Trumpshed

College Slice

Flipperwaldt posted:

Strip the case bare and put an Intel NUC inside with some velcro.
Don't touch the computer and plug an Intel Compute Stick in behind the monitor. No the NUC is definitely a much better device, I just think it's so cute.

Rexxed
May 1, 2010

Dis is amazing!
I gotta try dis!



FaustianQ posted:

I've somehow cornered myself into a lovely situation with a relative. My aunt has a computer that's from 2003, an old Dell 4600C monstrosity, and she is insanely attached to it for sentimental reasons - so I can't chuck it.

At the same time, she wants it to do video and image editing, play flash level/'big fish' games and in general be fairly responsive compared to the slug it is now. Normally, for a slimline form factor this wouldn't be insurmountable, except it has an AGP port, the MB tray is proprietary, and the PSU is proprietary. It's also cramped as hell, gets poor airflow and she wants me to drop a P4 550 into it that she bought, and I have no idea if I could even replace the HSF to prevent the computer form baking itself. Without changing this nearly 14 year old PSU first though, there is no way in hell I can do anything but put in the 2GB of RAM I have, I'm fairly sure any further power draw might just nuke the system.

gently caress, I'm not some loving technognome, why do people think I can just fix poo poo like magic . Can I fix this in anyway? Could I just secretly gut this computer, throw in an itx and somehow make a Flex or SFX PSU work? That's still way more expensive than just getting some 5 year old tech off ebay.

A lot of people just don't have reasonable expectations on computer longevity because they are used to major appliances lasting 20+ years. Computers aren't like major appliances in that they tend to be completely outclassed by a new cheap model after 5+ years. That was also the depreciation schedule that some businesses I've done work for used for PCs. I've fixed and maintained and put money into old PCs for a long time. I still have the Pentium 100 I built in 1998 on a shelf. I've also learned that it's really not worth putting money into an older system beyond basic life support because it's always going to be outclassed by new hardware and new hardware is often cheaper. Maybe she thinks she needs to spend $1000 on a new computer or something, but that isn't the case.

She may be attached to the computer because it just works and has for so long, but she will get over it quickly if she has a newer and much better computer to use instead. People fear change but they also like new shiny things.

FCKGW
May 21, 2006



Switch the PSU to 220v, plug it in and tell her to get hosed.

How the hell did she get s "sentimental attachment" to a computer?

EmpyreanFlux
Mar 1, 2013

The AUDACITY! The IMPUDENCE! The unabated NERVE!


FCKGW posted:

How the hell did she get s "sentimental attachment" to a computer?

Shes had it forever, the person who gave it to her was very close to her, and they died just this month from a 2 year fight with cancer.

So yeah I guess I could just be an rear end in a top hat about it too.

No Gravitas
Jun 12, 2013

by FactsAreUseless


I'm a budding college/university instructor.

Can someone tell me what the hell do you call the device that you can plug into your USB port that lets you advance lecture slides / powerpoints / pdf pages remotely?

sleepy gary
Jan 11, 2006



No Gravitas posted:

I'm a budding college/university instructor.

Can someone tell me what the hell do you call the device that you can plug into your USB port that lets you advance lecture slides / powerpoints / pdf pages remotely?

"Presenter" seems to be the most-used word.

Grapeshot
Oct 21, 2010


FaustianQ posted:

Shes had it forever, the person who gave it to her was very close to her, and they died just this month from a 2 year fight with cancer.

So yeah I guess I could just be an rear end in a top hat about it too.

Well you certainly can't put a P4 550 in it because it's the wrong socket. Get her something new to put next to it. My grandfather has 4 old computers going back to the XT that he still uses for his finances for this reason.

No Gravitas
Jun 12, 2013

by FactsAreUseless


DNova posted:

"Presenter" seems to be the most-used word.

Yes! Thanks!

Ciaphas
Nov 20, 2005

> BEWARE, COWARD




That G.Skill RAM I picked up--the F3-1600C9 2x8gb pack--should I be worried that my UEFI set it to 666 mhz out of the gate, and even when set on XMP profile #1 it insisted it was detecting 666 mhz? Forcing it to DDR3-1600 got the expected 800mhz out of it, but that's still kind of worrying.

Alereon
Feb 6, 2004

Dehumanize yourself and face to Trumpshed

College Slice

Ciaphas posted:

That G.Skill RAM I picked up--the F3-1600C9 2x8gb pack--should I be worried that my UEFI set it to 666 mhz out of the gate, and even when set on XMP profile #1 it insisted it was detecting 666 mhz? Forcing it to DDR3-1600 got the expected 800mhz out of it, but that's still kind of worrying.
No that's normal, if motherboards defaulted to higher speeds you wouldn't be able to get into the BIOS you had issues, so they default to lower speeds and you can turn them up if desired.

Ciaphas
Nov 20, 2005

> BEWARE, COWARD




Fair enough, then. I would have thought that using the XMP profile on the memory sticks (whose name in the UEFI, if I recall correctly, even has "1600" in it) would have set the speed.

I wonder how many people buy blazing fast new memory then don't notice that it has its proverbial shoelaces tied.

EmpyreanFlux
Mar 1, 2013

The AUDACITY! The IMPUDENCE! The unabated NERVE!


Grapeshot posted:

Well you certainly can't put a P4 550 in it because it's the wrong socket. Get her something new to put next to it. My grandfather has 4 old computers going back to the XT that he still uses for his finances for this reason.

Irrelevant, but ARK claims there is one.

VodeAndreas
Apr 30, 2009



Clapping Larry

Ciaphas posted:

Fair enough, then. I would have thought that using the XMP profile on the memory sticks (whose name in the UEFI, if I recall correctly, even has "1600" in it) would have set the speed.

I wonder how many people buy blazing fast new memory then don't notice that it has its proverbial shoelaces tied.

Does it have a second XMP profile on there? My old Corsair RAM had XMP 1 as fairly relaxed settings then XMP 2 was the actual performance profile.

Ciaphas
Nov 20, 2005

> BEWARE, COWARD




VodeAndreas posted:

Does it have a second XMP profile on there? My old Corsair RAM had XMP 1 as fairly relaxed settings then XMP 2 was the actual performance profile.

Just the one, as far as I could see.

(ed) Just to be sure I cranked it through Memtest86+ and it hasn't complained through two full test cycles, so whatever I suppose!

Ciaphas fucked around with this message at 02:56 on Apr 20, 2015

Robo Reagan
Feb 12, 2012



If I make a boot drive can I still use it for other stuff? I got a new flash drive and I thought that'd be neat to use it for, but it's 16 gigs and it'd be a waste of all that space if I just used it for booting Linux on a school computer or something.

Nintendo Kid
Aug 4, 2011

by Smythe


Robo Reagan posted:

If I make a boot drive can I still use it for other stuff? I got a new flash drive and I thought that'd be neat to use it for, but it's 16 gigs and it'd be a waste of all that space if I just used it for booting Linux on a school computer or something.

Yes you can, but you want to install the boot thing first, before you put your other files on it. That avoids losing your stuff.

Robo Reagan
Feb 12, 2012



This one's unrelated to my last one, I didn't break anything using a boot drive

We have two pcs and both are experiencing problems, but there's one issue I'm having trouble with. I'm switching the power supply between them since the power supply on the other broke. When I go to start one or the other, the monitor will turn on but usually doesn't display anything. Sometimes it'll flicker a bit before going black. Also sometimes they'll turn back on awhile after being powered like nothing happened. Other than that they seem to boot fine.

Is this a power supply problem or do I need to start getting parts info and take this to haus of tech support?

future ghost
Dec 5, 2005

det er noget at leve for

Gun Saliva

Tried a different monitor? This is probably a Haus question since it doesn't sound like there's a short easy-fix solution.
You'd need to provide specific information on the parts in both PCs and a better description of what's going on and with which PC in particular, as right now it's not really clear if both PCs are having issues or possibly that you have two bad monitors and/or a bad videocard hooked up to one PC.

Shai-Hulud
Jul 10, 2008

But it feels so right!


Lipstick Apathy

Can a lovely or broken monitor cause screen tearing in games? Ist not always tearing but when it is it seems to mostly happen in the same spot.
I've built a completely new computer (except for the monitor) recently and the problem persists.

Rexxed
May 1, 2010

Dis is amazing!
I gotta try dis!



Shai-Hulud posted:

Can a lovely or broken monitor cause screen tearing in games? Ist not always tearing but when it is it seems to mostly happen in the same spot.
I've built a completely new computer (except for the monitor) recently and the problem persists.

Maybe, but it could also be the game.

Freakbox
Dec 22, 2009

Tasted Too Much Rainbow!!!


Alright- So I'm building a computer for a friend, and I've encountered an issue I've never stumbled across before. The drat thing won't boot into a GRUB//OS unless I go directly into the BIOS//Boot Manager and tell it what to boot to. The Hard Drive is in port 0, and the motherboard is at default settings; it has Windows 7 and ubuntu on it.

Is there a setting I flipped or need to flip? Something else? It just....won't boot unless I tell it what to do. It won't go past the motherboard logo screen if i leave it alone.

I've built 4 computers and this never happened.

More Info: The MOBO and the Video Card are brand new. The HDD, RAM, and Power Supply were preexisting. The HDD has been reformatted and the OS's are New.

Freakbox fucked around with this message at 00:24 on Apr 28, 2015

Rexxed
May 1, 2010

Dis is amazing!
I gotta try dis!



Freakbox posted:

Alright- So I'm building a computer for a friend, and I've encountered an issue I've never stumbled across before. The drat thing won't boot into a GRUB//OS unless I go directly into the BIOS//Boot Manager and tell it what to boot to. The Hard Drive is in port 0, and the motherboard is at default settings; it has Windows 7 and ubuntu on it.

Is there a setting I flipped or need to flip? Something else? It just....won't boot unless I tell it what to do. It won't go past the motherboard logo screen if i leave it alone.

I've built 4 computers and this never happened.

More Info: The MOBO and the Video Card are brand new. The HDD, RAM, and Power Supply were preexisting. The HDD has been reformatted and the OS's are New.

You probably have to go into the BIOS and specify the boot device. If the Hard Disk is already at the top of the list then you may have to specify which hard disk is the one to primarily boot from. All motherboards have different BIOSes so I can't tell you where it is specifically, but it's usually under the Boot menu.

Volcott
Mar 30, 2010

People paying American dollars to let other people know they didn't agree with someone's position on something is the lifeblood of these forums.

So, just asking, but does anyone know where I could get a replacement ribbon for a Silver-Reed Sovereign 720 typewriter?

thebigcow
Jan 3, 2001

Bully!

Volcott posted:

So, just asking, but does anyone know where I could get a replacement ribbon for a Silver-Reed Sovereign 720 typewriter?

Take the old one out, head to your local office supply store, compare to what they have there until you find a match, buy more than one and keep the boxes.

raging bullwinkle
Jun 15, 2011


I have a 22" Benq T2200HD LCD monitor that's started playing up recently. When I turn it on, I stare at a black screen for about five minutes, and then it does this for another five minutes:



And then it turns on.

Anyone run into something like this before? I figured I'd ask here before shelling out money for a new cable/monitor/whatever. My actual PC is only about six months old. The problem feels like it's getting worse every day, if that helps.

sleepy gary
Jan 11, 2006



raging bullwinkle posted:

I have a 22" Benq T2200HD LCD monitor that's started playing up recently. When I turn it on, I stare at a black screen for about five minutes, and then it does this for another five minutes:



And then it turns on.

Anyone run into something like this before? I figured I'd ask here before shelling out money for a new cable/monitor/whatever. My actual PC is only about six months old. The problem feels like it's getting worse every day, if that helps.

It probably needs a bunch of new electrolytic capacitors.

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everythingWasBees
Jan 9, 2013



So when playing some games my computer restarts suddenly, as if due to a power surge. I've eliminated overheating by monitoring the temperatures of the parts, but is there any way for sure to make sure it's the power supply and not something else? Everything's under warranty, so as long as I can figure out what's faulty I can get a replacement.

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