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Stoatbringer
Sep 15, 2004

naw, you love it
you little ho-bot


Aleph Null posted:

How well will our floppy disks, CDs, USB drives, and hard disk drives record our history? How long will celluloid film, magnetic tape, and paper documents last? In 10,000 years, what we do today will be a mystery. Some history from the last 100 years is already lost because the medium on which it was stored is unreadable.
Just film history, every time a new consumer format is developed, not all material gets up-converted or re-released. If you think working VCRs are hard to find, try a BetaMax player.



Where's the microfiche, punched paper tape and cards?

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Peanut Butler
Jul 25, 2003





punch cards are interesting for lots of reasons, but isn't it difficult to get a machine that can read them? I've never encountered a punchcard computer, just heard about the one my dad used in high school shop class to control a woodcutter back in '74

I'm guessing almost all punchcard programs got migrated to floppy disks in the 80s, my shop class in the 90s used an 'old' 386 for CAD

Agnostalgia
Dec 22, 2009


15 years for vhs tapes with "extreme care" seems low. I've gotten lovely ones from flea markets that are twice that and play fine. Also basically everything that's watched on Best of the Worst.

NoNotTheMindProbe
Aug 9, 2010
pony porn was here


It took 2 years of pushing and meetings to get my old work to get their microfiche records digitized. By the time it was done I was already moving jobs.

e. At the time there were about 3 guys in a city of 2 million who knew how to repair microfiche machines and they were all close to retirement age.

SupSuper
Apr 8, 2009

At the Heart of the city is an Alien horror, so vile and so powerful that not even death can claim it.


Vavrek posted:

To make clear that "Cloud means forever storage" belongs in the Awful Graphs thread:
Any bookmark that is a few years old is pretty likely to be a 404 now. The web tears down its history at an incredible pace.

The Cheshire Cat
Jun 10, 2008



Fun Shoe

Yeah new technology in general is pretty much fine with sacrificing longevity for storage space. Like those old giant magnetic reels from computers in the 60's are better long-term storage than USB drives, but for the most part the data we use day to day is incredibly disposable so we don't really care if it won't be readable in 30 years because we'll long since have stopped caring about it. The internet is basically a huge version of that - a constant deluge of new content for you to consume and dispose. It doesn't matter if it doesn't last - what matters is just that there's a LOT of it.

SneezeOfTheDecade
Feb 6, 2011

2:35 PM, 5 April 2017. 153 decibels. Caused the cat actual harm.





I would expect to see a graph like this to mask that there's no pattern to be found in the data, except that there are patterns.

Boiled Water
Apr 5, 2006

YOU ARE A BRAIN
IN A BUNKER


Peanut Butler posted:

punch cards are interesting for lots of reasons, but isn't it difficult to get a machine that can read them? I've never encountered a punchcard computer, just heard about the one my dad used in high school shop class to control a woodcutter back in '74

I'm guessing almost all punchcard programs got migrated to floppy disks in the 80s, my shop class in the 90s used an 'old' 386 for CAD

Worst case you could scan the cards and read the images. I mean I imagine.

The Cheshire Cat
Jun 10, 2008



Fun Shoe

Yeah punch cards aren't a particularly complicated concept - they just represent pre-formatted input to a particular machine (so like a super simple example, if you wanted a basic adding machine you could have a bunch card with two columns of numbers and you'd punch out one hole from each column to designate which two numbers you wanted to add together). You probably would have a hard time finding a machine to read them DIRECTLY, but translating them wouldn't be too hard if you knew what sort of machine they were designed to work with originally.

SiKboy
Oct 28, 2007
Simaggeddon



The Cheshire Cat posted:

As long as our civilization persists it will be fairly easy to just keep carrying information forward, but bear in mind the reason we have to learn about all these ancient cultures from dug up artifacts is because they DIDN'T. Who knows if 1000 years from now we will still have an unbroken line of cultural descent?

My dude, if we make it another 10 years at this point we'll have surpassed my current expectations.

Barudak posted:

Ennigaldi-Nanna, the first museum operator we have record of, had in her collection pieces from 1500 years or more prior to her museums founding. We are further now from her, and her museum tablets we display, than she was from the people whose belonging she was displauing. People rarely worry about preserving the present but we have a long history of preserving what past remains

I have never heard of her or her museum before, and that is super interesting. Literally never occurred to me to wonder when the first museum was founded.

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012



AnoHito posted:

All men are also apparently at least 65 years old.



Look at this colourblind baby.

“65+” is the dark blue at eleven o’clock.

“Male” is the lighter blue at two.

Platystemon has a new favorite as of 00:51 on Oct 19, 2018

Red Bones
Aug 9, 2012

"I think he's a bad enough person to stay ghost through his sheer love of child-killing."



On a similar note to the whole point that so much of ancient history has been lost due to the nature of recorded information and archaeology, there is an entire continent's worth of palaeontology beneath the Antarctic ice sheet that is almost completely inaccessible, and will remain so at least for hundreds or thousands of years, depending on the progression of climate change.

What weird poo poo is in those rocks? Antarctica had a functioning ecosystem for tens of millions of years after the extinction of the dinosaurs, until the ice sheet finally covered everything. There's probably some sort of wombat mammoth down there. There might also be information on other missing gaps in the fossil record: there's no fossils of very early bats as of yet; no fossils of very early pterosaurs; and no more primitive monotremes (platypus and echinda).

I do not have a graph to present alongside this but I just think it's interesting.

Phlegmish
Jul 2, 2011




I've read that large parts of Antarctica had a temperate climate even after it had drifted into its current position, simply because global temperatures were so much higher. That's really fascinating to me.

Son of Thunderbeast
Sep 21, 2002

Hey, Adora.



Red Bones posted:

the Antarctic ice sheet that is almost completely inaccessible, and will remain so at least for hundreds or thousands of years,

lol

DarkHorse
Dec 13, 2006

Vroom Vroom, BEEP BEEP!

Nap Ghost

Phlegmish posted:

I've read that large parts of Antarctica had a temperate climate even after it had drifted into its current position, simply because global temperatures were so much higher. That's really fascinating to me.

At least we have that to look forward to

BRB buying Antarctic beachfront property

Red Bones
Aug 9, 2012

"I think he's a bad enough person to stay ghost through his sheer love of child-killing."



Global temperatures were part of it, but Antarctica also had a big temperature drop once south America and Australia fully split from it, because there's an ocean current that just circulating cold water all the way around the continent. Before the other continents split off from it that current had to circulate through warmer waters further away from the pole, which was warming Antarctica.

Don Gato
Apr 28, 2013

Actually a bipedal cat.

Grimey Drawer

I've read In the Mountains of Madness, there's nothing but Shoggoths down there.

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

I'm the babyliberal, gotta love me!


Don Gato posted:

I've read In the Mountains of Madness, there's nothing but Shoggoths down there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHxuWBzBbpw

Phy
Jun 27, 2008





Fun Shoe

Don Gato posted:

I've read In the Mountains of Madness, there's nothing but Shoggoths down there.

And blind six-foot-tall penguins. Cave penguins.

Nenonen
Oct 22, 2009



Fallen Rib

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beta-decay_stable_isobars

Kennel
May 1, 2008

BAWWW-UNH!


In case it gets edited, here's the image in that article:


The old version is even better, because the pic is 1920 pixels wide.
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.ph...oldid=859185914

Kennel has a new favorite as of 15:03 on Oct 20, 2018

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat

Lol, it's been there since September 10, and the single editor of that article has been "improving" it every couple of days.

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

I'm the babyliberal, gotta love me!


I think this qualifies:


Mikl
Nov 8, 2009

Vote shit sandwich or the shit sandwich gets it!


A rouge operation

As opposed to a purple or blue coloured operation

SiKboy
Oct 28, 2007
Simaggeddon



Mikl posted:

A rouge operation

As opposed to a purple or blue coloured operation

An embarrassment, a real blusher if you will.

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012



https://twitter.com/StuartBuck1/sta...469995776884737

ultrafilter
Aug 23, 2007






I was just coming here to post this. What the actual gently caress?

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012



Virgin Data Visualization vs. Chad Statistics

Inspector 34
Mar 9, 2009
DOES NOT RESPECT THE RUN

BUT THEY WILL



Mathematics: not useful according to The Harvard Business Review

Take that every k-12 teacher who told me math was important to learn!

Sardonik
Jul 1, 2005

if you like my dumb posts, you'll love my dumb youtube channel

It makes more sense as a political alignment chart.

Raldikuk
Apr 7, 2006

I'm bad with money and I want that meatball!

Hmmm yes, data science is very useful and easy to learn; but statistics and mathematics aren't useful and need to be ignored. Makes perfect sense.

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

I'm the babyliberal, gotta love me!


Raldikuk posted:

Hmmm yes, data science is very useful and easy to learn; but statistics and mathematics aren't useful and need to be ignored. Makes perfect sense.

Yeah, I think OP should have gone with the galaxy brain meme.

ultrafilter
Aug 23, 2007





Raldikuk posted:

Hmmm yes, data science is very useful and easy to learn; but statistics and mathematics aren't useful and need to be ignored. Makes perfect sense.

Statistical programming is easier to learn and more useful than statistics, but not as much as data science is.

Ariong
Jun 25, 2012





Kennel posted:

In case it gets edited, here's the image in that article:


The old version is even better, because the pic is 1920 pixels wide.
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.ph...oldid=859185914

Didn’t even press the button to turn the UI off.

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
slægt skal følge slægters gang




Ariong posted:

Didn’t even press the button to turn the UI off.

im sure it was intentional so when someone says "wow you made that in minecraft?" they can go "yeah im pretty good at it " which will definitely happen any day now

Nenonen
Oct 22, 2009



Fallen Rib

I just wish the creepers and spiders were labeled so I could develop a deeper understanding of physics

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012



Nenonen posted:

I just wish the creepers and spiders were labeled so I could develop a deeper understanding of physics

Pigs: institutions handing out grants

Sheep: TAs

Horses: grad students

Spiders: administrators

Creepers: Ted Kaczynski

DarkHorse
Dec 13, 2006

Vroom Vroom, BEEP BEEP!

Nap Ghost

The shadowguys are your graduate advisor, a dark powerful presence that you try not to attention from, because if you do it starts wrecking your poo poo.

But you love when they run into other people and you can watch them wreck their poo poo.

Space Kablooey
May 6, 2009





What about the flaming zombie?

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Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
slægt skal følge slægters gang




wario & bowsette

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