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sincx
Jul 13, 2012

What actually transpires beneath the veil of an event horizon? Decent people shouldn't think too much about that.

Potato Salad posted:

Using a $15 box screams to me that AMD leaving money on the table.

80%+ yields burning a hole in Dr. Su's pocket.

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Rastor
Jun 2, 2001



Subjunctive posted:

AMD needs to acquire Tesla to get Keller back and land a design win for their AI ambitions. Leverage, baby.

Jim Keller is a ronin, when AMD needs him again he will be there.

Subjunctive
Sep 12, 2006

careful now


Rastor posted:

Jim Keller is a ronin, when AMD needs him again he will be there.

From mutual friends, I've heard that Tesla is paying him much, much more than AMD or Apple did.

If they want a solid Zen 3/4, the last 15 years' history suggests that they need him back ASAP.

AARP LARPer
Feb 19, 2005



THE DARK SIDE OF SCIENCE BREEDS A WEAPON OF WAR


Buglord

Potato Salad posted:

Using a $15 box screams to me that AMD leaving money on the table.

lol

dont be mean to me
May 2, 2007

I'm interplanetary, bitch
Let's go to Mars




Rastor posted:

I can't wait for the first project build of an ITX system in the Threadripper box

I'm disappointed that the Threadripper box isn't already outfitted as an ITX case.

SwissArmyDruid
Feb 14, 2014



dont be mean to me posted:

I'm disappointed that the Threadripper box isn't already outfitted as an ITX case.

Shhhh! Shut up! Don't give Linus any video ideas, because you know that he's going to make Luke do it!

Shaocaholica
Oct 29, 2002

Fig. 5E


So is the gaming community like already on this train?

Malcolm XML
Aug 8, 2009

I always knew it would end like this.


Subjunctive posted:

From mutual friends, I've heard that Tesla is paying him much, much more than AMD or Apple did.

If they want a solid Zen 3/4, the last 15 years' history suggests that they need him back ASAP.

I strongly suspect Jim Keller has a large long position in AMD


That said musk and Tesla are in a position to pay him a lot more

Cygni
Nov 12, 2005

raring to post



Shaocaholica posted:

So is the gaming community like already on this train?

The best case (and most likely) is that Threadripper equals an 1800X in gaming for twice the price. The worst case is that NUMA doesnt work well at the OS level or games just don't play nice with it, and it ends up actually slower than an 1800X clock for clock. I don't think thats likely at all, but we will see soon.

HEDT (or SHED, lol AMD) is not really a gaming platform so much, no matter how desperate AMD and Intel are to make gamers think they need $1000 CPUs to play overwatch. For content creator types though, TR could be a great value.

Combat Pretzel
Jun 23, 2004

No, seriously... what kurds?!

Eh, the memory speeds on package look interesting. If Threadripper is as fast, then it should fare well enough. That said, I still wish for async IF clocks on TR2.

GRINDCORE MEGGIDO
Feb 28, 1985


Combat Pretzel posted:

That said, I still wish for async IF clocks on TR2.

I wonder how much faster the chip would be if the IF was pegged to the max.

Methylethylaldehyde
Oct 23, 2004

BAKA BAKA


Cygni posted:

The best case (and most likely) is that Threadripper equals an 1800X in gaming for twice the price. The worst case is that NUMA doesnt work well at the OS level or games just don't play nice with it, and it ends up actually slower than an 1800X clock for clock. I don't think thats likely at all, but we will see soon.

HEDT (or SHED, lol AMD) is not really a gaming platform so much, no matter how desperate AMD and Intel are to make gamers think they need $1000 CPUs to play overwatch. For content creator types though, TR could be a great value.

Or any gamer that wants to lock the twitch encoding/chatbot to 2 cores and let the game and OS have the other 6-14

EmpyreanFlux
Mar 1, 2013

The AUDACITY! The IMPUDENCE! The unabated NERVE!


GRINDCORE MEGGIDO posted:

I wonder how much faster the chip would be if the IF was pegged to the max.
I'm not sure that'd really help, since theoretical max is 512GB/s IIRC. You could do a quarter of that and probably reap 90% of the benefit.

Like, I'll giggle like an idiot if all AMD has to do to get 15% IPC gains is set the divider between IF and the IMC to 2:1 respectively.

Malloc Voidstar
May 7, 2007

Fuck the cowboys. Unf. Fuck em hard.

https://twitter.com/AMD_UK/status/877811134593736704

eames
May 9, 2009



SwissArmyDruid posted:

Looks like Ryzen-specific memory kits are finally starting to trickle onto the market. http://techreport.com/news/32270/ge...-memory-modules Maybe look at those instead of kludging Samsung B-die.

I wrote them an email to let them know that there's a market for DDR4-3200 unregistered ECC RAM. They answered today and essentially confirmed that such a product is planned and in development.

Combat Pretzel
Jun 23, 2004

No, seriously... what kurds?!

Schweet! I hope with decent CAS latencies, too.

Paul MaudDib
May 2, 2006

"Tell me of your home world, Usul"


eames posted:

I wrote them an email to let them know that there's a market for DDR4-3200 unregistered ECC RAM. They answered today and essentially confirmed that such a product is planned and in development.

Oh sweet, that's a big deal for Ryzen/Threadripper performance in server builds. It's an under-served niche because nobody really cared about RAM clocks in server builds until Ryzen came along.

Even if the timings end up being meh, just getting the clockrates up gooses the Infinity Fabric, just like with non-ECC ram.

incoherent
Apr 24, 2004

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Yo what mobos are confirmed for threadripper so far? I feel we knew about launch boards before CPUs.

eames
May 9, 2009



https://videocardz.com/ has a bunch of recent "leaks".

RGB LEDs. RBG LEDs everywhere and MSI thinks VRM Heatsinkcovers are a good idea.

Jury is still out whether pumping 300W through on an area this large is a good idea:
At least the VRMs are close to the socket, heh.

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SwissArmyDruid
Feb 14, 2014



Jesus, dual EATX 12v rails.

Combat Pretzel
Jun 23, 2004

No, seriously... what kurds?!

The ASRock board has something with heatpipes, so I guess it's proper VRM cooling? Too bad all the currently known boards are those silly gaming branded ones.

Arivia
Mar 17, 2011
Probation
Can't post for 17 hours!


Has it always been platfrom discussion in the title?

Subjunctive
Sep 12, 2006

careful now


Arivia posted:

Has it always been platfrom discussion in the title?

Relatively recent I think.

SwissArmyDruid
Feb 14, 2014



Arivia posted:

Has it always been platfrom discussion in the title?

Don't you start with that, we finally got it changed to platfrom.

edit: It's a reference to this:

SwissArmyDruid fucked around with this message at 22:48 on Jul 25, 2017

repiv
Aug 13, 2009



GamersNexus says Threadripper will not come with a cooler, but will come with an Asetek mounting bracket so you can use many existing AIOs.

SwissArmyDruid
Feb 14, 2014



...I suppose that's one way of neatly sidestepping the problem of buying an AIO, and then having to source a retention bracket separately.

Ihmemies
Oct 6, 2012



incoherent posted:

Yo what mobos are confirmed for threadripper so far? I feel we knew about launch boards before CPUs.

Gaming RGB motherboards everrrrrywhere: http://event.gigabyte.us/x399promo/

https://www.chiphell.com/forum.php?...ead&tid=1757490

No normal/workstation mobos yet again I guess?

Arivia
Mar 17, 2011
Probation
Can't post for 17 hours!


Ihmemies posted:

Gaming RGB motherboards everrrrrywhere: http://event.gigabyte.us/x399promo/

https://www.chiphell.com/forum.php?...ead&tid=1757490

No normal/workstation mobos yet again I guess?

I don't think you understand threadripper. it's in the name. Thread-RIPPER.

PC LOAD LETTER
May 23, 2005
WTF?!

Slippery Tilde

Ihmemies posted:

No normal/workstation mobos yet again I guess?
You'll probably need to wait for single socket Epyc CPU and platform to come out if you want a white box work horse mobo.

If you can't wait for that then just buy TR and turn off all the LED's on your mobo of choice. HEDT on either AMD and Intel is at least as much about doubling down on RGB blinkenlights now as it is about having moar corezzz.

Sinestro
Oct 31, 2010

The perfect day needs the perfect set of wheels.


I know I'm an awful failure baby but I kinda love that stuff a lot of the time. At least in the sense that I can make a custom color scheme than the full on hypnotic cuttlefish.

Ihmemies
Oct 6, 2012



PC LOAD LETTER posted:

You'll probably need to wait for single socket Epyc CPU and platform to come out if you want a white box work horse mobo.

If you can't wait for that then just buy TR and turn off all the LED's on your mobo of choice. HEDT on either AMD and Intel is at least as much about doubling down on RGB blinkenlights now as it is about having moar corezzz.

I wish someone then sold smooth looking atx cases with tempered glass windows so I could go full retard with RGB.. like this, but larger:

http://www.phanteks.com/Enthoo-Evolv-Shift.html

Or maybe https://www.overclockers.co.uk/anid...-ca-03d-ad.html and get some loving rgb fans to the front

http://www.anidees.com/aihalo

Ooor https://www.inwin-style.com/en/gaming-chassis/805i

... The best option is that manufacturers ditched all the useless poo poo and put the money to better components and heatsinks, like they still did some years ago. Nowdays every mobo on the market looks like you waste half of your money for a pile of garbage.

Mr Shiny Pants
Nov 12, 2012


Ihmemies posted:

I wish someone then sold smooth looking atx cases with tempered glass windows so I could go full retard with RGB.. like this, but larger:

http://www.phanteks.com/Enthoo-Evolv-Shift.html

Or maybe https://www.overclockers.co.uk/anid...-ca-03d-ad.html and get some loving rgb fans to the front

http://www.anidees.com/aihalo

Ooor https://www.inwin-style.com/en/gaming-chassis/805i

... The best option is that manufacturers ditched all the useless poo poo and put the money to better components and heatsinks, like they still did some years ago. Nowdays every mobo on the market looks like you waste half of your money for a pile of garbage.

This! I wish they would make some no-frills mobo's like Intel used to do. I don't want lights, I want a quiet mobo with some solid components.

SourKraut
Nov 20, 2005

POST QUALITY UNDER CONSTRUCTION




Ihmemies posted:

I wish someone then sold smooth looking atx cases with tempered glass windows so I could go full retard with RGB.. like this, but larger:

http://www.phanteks.com/Enthoo-Evolv-Shift.html

Or maybe https://www.overclockers.co.uk/anid...-ca-03d-ad.html and get some loving rgb fans to the front

http://www.anidees.com/aihalo

Ooor https://www.inwin-style.com/en/gaming-chassis/805i

... The best option is that manufacturers ditched all the useless poo poo and put the money to better components and heatsinks, like they still did some years ago. Nowdays every mobo on the market looks like you waste half of your money for a pile of garbage.

Raijintek Thetis?

eames
May 9, 2009



The early Gigabyte X399 leaks looked fine.



but somehow turned into this thanks to their marketing department:



Gotta say though, that's an excellent LPC ratio (LEDs Per Core). LED enthusiasts should be pleased.

Desuwa
Jun 2, 2011

I'm telling my mommy. That pubbie doesn't do video games right!

If you get enough RGB LEDs you don't even need a monitor.

PerrineClostermann
Dec 15, 2012

by FactsAreUseless


Just give me a white PCB with white slots and I'll be happy.

SwissArmyDruid
Feb 14, 2014



AMD Quarterly results are in: http://ir.amd.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=7...icle&ID=2288687

They actually turned a $25M profit, no thanks to Vega.

EmpyreanFlux
Mar 1, 2013

The AUDACITY! The IMPUDENCE! The unabated NERVE!


SwissArmyDruid posted:

AMD Quarterly results are in: http://ir.amd.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=7...icle&ID=2288687

They actually turned a $25M profit, no thanks to Vega.

This is only with Ryzen 7 and 5 retail mostly, I'm kind of expecting them to start turning ~300m profit Q1 2018 when they release Ryzen 3, Threadripper, EPYC, Raven Ridge and have a lot more OEM and mobile presence.

SwissArmyDruid
Feb 14, 2014



"In the quarter, AMD reached an important milestone by recognizing initial revenue from EPYC datacenter processor shipments."

That had to have been nice.

Mark Papermaster posted:

To gear up for 7nm, “we had to literally double our efforts across foundry and design teams…It’s the toughest lift I’ve seen in a number of generations,” perhaps back to the introduction of copper interconnects, said Mark Papermaster, in a wide-ranging interview with EE Times.

Of course they have to. If it was going to be that easy, Intel would have done it already.

http://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=1332049



I think I know what mobo I'm getting. The Taichis always look great.

SwissArmyDruid fucked around with this message at 08:52 on Jul 26, 2017

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Ihmemies
Oct 6, 2012



Can you actually just unscrew all the "shrouds" and toss them away? They look ugly and I can't imagine what purpose they serve.

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