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CPL593H
Oct 28, 2009

I know what you did last summer, and frankly I am displeased.

gey muckle mowser posted:

This is true, Severin has never really disappointed me. Of the various boutique labels they are probably the most consistent in terms of film quality. As much as I love Vinegar Syndrome, some of the films they release are truly awful.

All of these boutique labels that specialize in weird genre films are full of garbage. VS absolutely has some gems but a lot of that is unwatchable junk.

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FitFortDanga
Nov 19, 2004

Nice try, asshole



Monos: The Logos of Fate

MacheteZombie
Feb 4, 2007





Starting the Angel series today. Pretty excited for the first one.

CPL593H posted:

All of these boutique labels that specialize in weird genre films are full of garbage. VS absolutely has some gems but a lot of that is unwatchable junk.

I love unwatchable junk!

MacheteZombie fucked around with this message at 16:39 on May 27, 2020

King Vidiot
Feb 17, 2007

The video arcade made me what I am today!



Severin is the label for the cool stuff I wanted to see after reading about it in Shock Cinema, stuff that you'd have to buy a mail-order catalogue to get and then wait three weeks for a lovely DVR transfer. Vinegar Syndrome is the label for porn, stuff you'd find in "1001 Grindhouse Classics!" boxed sets and the occasional oddball gem like Christmas Evil, Liquid Sky and Tammy and the T-Rex. Both have their place, I'm so glad we have weird boutique labels putting out professional, HD transfers of stuff no other label would touch.

feedmyleg
Dec 25, 2004

EVERY FAIRY TALE NEEDS ITS HERO.



I wish these boutique companies would find some sort of in-house format that lets their unwatchable trash be a bit more easily consumed, ala Joe Bob Briggs (without the nazism) or MST3K (without the ironic enjoyment). There's no way I'm going to blind-buy an obscure $29 Blu-ray of a film that I've never heard of and that not even hardcore cinephiles seem to like, but I'd love to watch that sort of thing with a horror host or other narrative or contextual wraparound. That would be worth paying boutique prices for and wouldn't have too much added production cost if you used the same set/performers on all your titles.

e: Like, Vinegar Syndrome should have a pickled corpse in a jar who looks like Hugh Hefner cut in every 10 minutes and make phallic puns about carrots and cucumbers or whatever if you select that menu option. I'd go broke watching that guy talk about mediocre old porn if he was half as fun as the Crypt Keeper.

feedmyleg fucked around with this message at 20:16 on May 27, 2020

MacheteZombie
Feb 4, 2007





While not the same, the boutiques usually offer a great set of bonus features often including some short form docs on the movie purchased.

But Severin/VS having a better choice than Joe Bob on shudder would be great since I refuse to watch JB these days.

Iron Crowned
May 6, 2003


feedmyleg posted:

e: Like, Vinegar Syndrome should have a pickled corpse who looks like Hugh Hefner cut in every 10 minutes and make phallic puns about carrots and cucumbers or whatever if you select that menu option.

Count Dracula's Greatest Love was featured in an episode of Elvira's Movie Macabre, so there is that.

I must have a high tolerance for junk, because I can only think of a couple instances where I've not finished a Vinegar Syndrome release, and it was out of boredom more than anything else.

EDIT:

Speaking of VS, I've noticed that a few of their releases will occasionally end up on COMET a month or so after the Blu-Ray, which always weirds me out.

King Vidiot
Feb 17, 2007

The video arcade made me what I am today!



Never even heard of Comet and they're, uh, part of Sinclair Broadcast Group. Not sure that that's any better than Joe Bob. Worse, probably.

Iron Crowned
May 6, 2003


King Vidiot posted:

Never even heard of Comet and they're, uh, part of Sinclair Broadcast Group. Not sure that that's any better than Joe Bob. Worse, probably.

I never considered it, but yes

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comet_(TV_network)

MacheteZombie
Feb 4, 2007





Lol the ending to Avenging Angel

Antifa Turkeesian
Aug 20, 2006



King Vidiot posted:

Never even heard of Comet and they're, uh, part of Sinclair Broadcast Group. Not sure that that's any better than Joe Bob. Worse, probably.

They put extra censorship on the tv cuts of the things they broadcast. They blur out the crotch on Michelangelo's David on the 90s Outer Limits intro.

VoodooXT
Feb 24, 2006
I want Tong Po! Give me Tong Po!

MacheteZombie posted:

Lol the ending to Avenging Angel

Everyone loves a falling baby in the Bradbury Building.

egon_beeblebrox
Feb 29, 2008

WILL AMOUNT TO NOTHING IN LIFE.





Antifa Turkeesian posted:

They put extra censorship on the tv cuts of the things they broadcast. They blur out the crotch on Michelangelo's David on the 90s Outer Limits intro.

lmao

Teenage Fansub
Jan 28, 2006



feedmyleg posted:

I wish these boutique companies would find some sort of in-house format that lets their unwatchable trash be a bit more easily consumed, ala Joe Bob Briggs (without the nazism) or MST3K (without the ironic enjoyment). There's no way I'm going to blind-buy an obscure $29 Blu-ray of a film that I've never heard of and that not even hardcore cinephiles seem to like, but I'd love to watch that sort of thing with a horror host or other narrative or contextual wraparound. That would be worth paying boutique prices for and wouldn't have too much added production cost if you used the same set/performers on all your titles.

e: Like, Vinegar Syndrome should have a pickled corpse in a jar who looks like Hugh Hefner cut in every 10 minutes and make phallic puns about carrots and cucumbers or whatever if you select that menu option. I'd go broke watching that guy talk about mediocre old porn if he was half as fun as the Crypt Keeper.

It's not MST3King but I think they put some stuff up on Amazon streaming where you can rent for far cheaper.

They used to have their own service called exploitation.tv, but shut it down.

Teenage Fansub fucked around with this message at 21:49 on May 27, 2020

Biff Rockgroin
Jun 17, 2005

Go to commercial!



King Vidiot posted:

Severin is the label for the cool stuff I wanted to see after reading about it in Shock Cinema, stuff that you'd have to buy a mail-order catalogue to get and then wait three weeks for a lovely DVR transfer. Vinegar Syndrome is the label for porn, stuff you'd find in "1001 Grindhouse Classics!" boxed sets and the occasional oddball gem like Christmas Evil, Liquid Sky and Tammy and the T-Rex. Both have their place, I'm so glad we have weird boutique labels putting out professional, HD transfers of stuff no other label would touch.

I'd argue that VS has been getting a lot better about what they put out these days and you're seeing a lot more obscure things that people would actually want to watch now.

It is kind of funny that between Scream Factory, Severin, Arrow, and Vinegar Syndrome, each company has their own niche in the horror/cult community.

Liar Lyre
Jun 3, 2011

TOOT TOOT
All aboard!


I tend to find a lot of boutique label stuff on Prime and Tubi. Tubi tends to get a lot of Shout and Arrow stuff, sometimes VinSyn and others too.

caligulamprey
Jan 23, 2007

It never stops.



Biff Rockgroin posted:

It is kind of funny that between Scream Factory, Severin, Arrow, and Vinegar Syndrome, each company has their own niche in the horror/cult community.
And I will not spend any more money on any of these companies until one of them puts out The Dark Backward. :colbert:

Or Meet the Hollowheads.

CPL593H
Oct 28, 2009

I know what you did last summer, and frankly I am displeased.

King Vidiot posted:

Never even heard of Comet and they're, uh, part of Sinclair Broadcast Group. Not sure that that's any better than Joe Bob. Worse, probably.

Is there really any media conglomerate that isn't run by terrible people? I'm not trying to dismiss your concern but it's a lot easier to ditch Joe Bob Briggs because he's a single individual.

Liar Lyre posted:

I tend to find a lot of boutique label stuff on Prime and Tubi. Tubi tends to get a lot of Shout and Arrow stuff, sometimes VinSyn and others too.

Tubi has way better poo poo than most pay streaming apps. They have a lot of Herzog movies.

SneakySneaks
Feb 11, 2006


Big Mean Jerk posted:

Did someone mention an upcoming Severin sale? Iíve been digging through their selection and came up with this list of stuff Iím interested in:

The Changeling
Robowar
Asylum
And Now The Screaming Starts
The Uncanny
Count Dracula

Any other essentials/suggestions?

The Changeling is legit and I consider it one of the best haunted house movies. If they ever put Blood on Satan's Claw back up (one of their Black Friday only sales) jump on that movie. Its a great early 70's horror that has the vibes of something like Witchfinder General.

RichterIX
Apr 11, 2003

I'm going to kill myself tomorrow.

I'm terrified to ask and maybe this isn't the place but since when is Joe Bob a Nazi?

Antifa Turkeesian
Aug 20, 2006



RichterIX posted:

I'm terrified to ask and maybe this isn't the place but since when is Joe Bob a Nazi?

He writes for Takiís Magazine, a nazi publication. He started in 2011, when he would have been handing his stuff off directly to Richard Spencer.

SomeJazzyRat
Nov 2, 2012

Hmmm...


Also I think he contributed some writing to Rebel Media, who is very much one of those "LIEberal Colleges want to steal our rights to kill people. Also, is the Black Problem just as bad as the Jew Problem?" establishments.

And as someone who had to second hand deal with their bullshit, gently caress anyone who is even willing to shake hands with the eighth rate devil that is their "media empire".

CPL593H
Oct 28, 2009

I know what you did last summer, and frankly I am displeased.

Antifa Turkeesian posted:

He writes for Takiís Magazine, a nazi publication. He started in 2011, when he would have been handing his stuff off directly to Richard Spencer.

I didn't even know that much I just saw the article he wrote where he was saying that maybe we should listen to those guys yelling "Jews will not replace us." in the khakis because maybe they might actually be making some good points but no one wants to listen because of the libs or some poo poo.

I went to his live show where he talks about rednecks in film history and it was really funny and insightful. After the show I took a picture with him for an album I have of me with comedians on Instax film. The next day I found out that he's a loving Nazi.

CPL593H
Oct 28, 2009

I know what you did last summer, and frankly I am displeased.

On a lighter note, I've been watching some episodes of Batman TAS and holy poo poo the sound design of that show is incredible and I never noticed it until I got the blu-ray set. It probably goes without saying but if you're a fan of the show and you've been dragging your feet on getting the blu-ray get that poo poo immediately.

RichterIX
Apr 11, 2003

I'm going to kill myself tomorrow.

CPL593H posted:

On a lighter note, I've been watching some episodes of Batman TAS and holy poo poo the sound design of that show is incredible and I never noticed it until I got the blu-ray set. It probably goes without saying but if you're a fan of the show and you've been dragging your feet on getting the blu-ray get that poo poo immediately.

It's so good. The Batman Beyond set is also really good.

As far as the Joe Bob stuff, he has since distanced himself from Taki and claims that when he started writing there it was because he had no job at all and the boss there did him a solid and started paying him for articles and that he didn't know about the alt-right bent of the publication. Whether you believe that or not (I am pretty suspicious that someone as seemingly savvy as him WOULDN'T know), I chalk some of his more questionable writing up to an annoying South Park-esque "the truth is somewhere in the middle" Libertarian tendency. See also people railing against his jokes about LGBTQIA+ which amounted to "making an acronym longer is dumb because it actually further tries to narrow something that contains millions of valid possible identities" when he's long been an ardent ally. I think some of his problem is the redneck character sometimes magnifies certain interpretations of his politics which, while often dumb in that "civility politics" kind of way, aren't really alt-right in nature.

Basebf555
Feb 29, 2008

The greatest sensual pleasure there is is to know the desires of another!



Fun Shoe

RichterIX posted:

It's so good. The Batman Beyond set is also really good.

As far as the Joe Bob stuff, he has since distanced himself from Taki and claims that when he started writing there it was because he had no job at all and the boss there did him a solid and started paying him for articles and that he didn't know about the alt-right bent of the publication. Whether you believe that or not (I am pretty suspicious that someone as seemingly savvy as him WOULDN'T know), I chalk some of his more questionable writing up to an annoying South Park-esque "the truth is somewhere in the middle" Libertarian tendency. See also people railing against his jokes about LGBTQIA+ which amounted to "making an acronym longer is dumb because it actually further tries to narrow something that contains millions of valid possible identities" when he's long been an ardent ally. I think some of his problem is the redneck character sometimes magnifies certain interpretations of his politics which, while often dumb in that "civility politics" kind of way, aren't really alt-right in nature.

See I'd love to read where he said these things. From what I've heard about on the forums so far he's really never apologized or said that he regrets writing for them, or even that he wouldn't write for them in the future. So I haven't really heard anything straight from Joe Bob's mouth on any of this, it's just heresay that I get from posters on SA.

Of course, we're talking about a horror host here, so it's not like I need proof that he's a virulent racist to drop him. I could take him or leave him so even if he's just kinda proudly ignorant in that frustrating boomer way, I probably don't want to watch him anymore.

Antifa Turkeesian
Aug 20, 2006



Basebf555 posted:

See I'd love to read where he said these things. From what I've heard about on the forums so far he's really never apologized or said that he regrets writing for them, or even that he wouldn't write for them in the future. So I haven't really heard anything straight from Joe Bob's mouth on any of this, it's just heresay that I get from posters on SA.

Of course, we're talking about a horror host here, so it's not like I need proof that he's a virulent racist to drop him. I could take him or leave him so even if he's just kinda proudly ignorant in that frustrating boomer way, I probably don't want to watch him anymore.

Yeah, he's still writing that column. He's been writing it for ten years. The most recent one is from January.

RichterIX
Apr 11, 2003

I'm going to kill myself tomorrow.

Yeah, my source for him quitting is literally a tweet from Darcy the Mail Girl so not exactly reliable, although it's been very recent so it may have been since January. I think he's being mispainted by some critics but that doesn't mean an accurate painting would look much better, especially the tinge of "violence is never the answer" in some of his writing when more and more it's looking like violence is about to be the only answer.

Splint Chesthair
Dec 27, 2004



The most charitable reading I can give what Joe Bob has written about the alt-right/Neo Nazis is that he doesnít see them as worth getting upset over. Heís looking at them as this tiny little collection of mutants whose ideas are so self-evidently wrong and outmoded that the ďmarketplace of ideasĒ should have no problem regulating them on its own. This squares with his defense of writing for Takiís being that ďmagazines are a buffet, not a hospital menuĒ or whatever. In his mind, Nazis already lost the war and shouting them down is actually worse than giving their ideas a chance to gain traction because itís an overreaction.

Thatís all a bad way of looking at the current situation, of course, but at least itís different than being 100 percent on the Nazisí side. And again, this is just my interpretation of what heís said and I could be squinting too hard to feel better about it. Iíve always been a fan of his reviews and MonsterVision and all that, so itís been tough to see all of this.

Antifa Turkeesian
Aug 20, 2006



The horror of writing for Takiís Magazine is in giving cover to nazis to grow their readership. Itís a ďhide your true power levelĒ platform that edges people into fascism by mixing up orthodox conservative voices like Ann Coulter with right-libertarianism and outright nazi poo poo like pieces by Richard Spencer, who used to be an editor.

Helping nazis is not good.

Origami Dali
Jan 7, 2005

Get ready to fuck!
You fucker's fucker!
You fucker!


In the Texas Chainsaw Massacre episode of his latest show, he has this big speech about bigots that implies history is always repeating. So he's not blind to the threats of fascism. He's just another one of these idiots who thinks people protesting on college campuses are the leftist equivalent of being a nazi, and worthy of equal derision. If he really wanted to do his "truth is in the middle" horseshit convincingly, he should be writing for an eco-terrorism zine too.

feedmyleg
Dec 25, 2004

EVERY FAIRY TALE NEEDS ITS HERO.



Splint Chesthair posted:

The most charitable reading I can give what Joe Bob has written about the alt-right/Neo Nazis is that he doesnít see them as worth getting upset over. Heís looking at them as this tiny little collection of mutants whose ideas are so self-evidently wrong and outmoded that the ďmarketplace of ideasĒ should have no problem regulating them on its own.

This position maybe made sense in 2015. That was a very long time ago. There's less than zero excuse now.

But that aside, I stopped watching The Last Drive-In after a couple of episodes because Darcy the Mail Girl was cartoonishly sexist and he was constantly spouting libertarian boomer dad views and I couldn't handle it. There's too many better things to give my time to.

caligulamprey
Jan 23, 2007

It never stops.



The world has passed Joe Bob by. I was a teen insomniac who watched Monstervision religiously, but now I'm 39 and a completely different person with a completely different viewpoint and Joe Bob is exactly the same. He's fully ascended to the position of your cool uncle you used to cherish who turned out to be a bit of a poo poo.

Bring back Gilbert Gottfried and USA UP! All Nite, tho.

VoodooXT
Feb 24, 2006
I want Tong Po! Give me Tong Po!

Iím still a little sour that Shudder went with Joe Bob instead of Elvira.

Franchescanado
Feb 23, 2013

If it wasn't for disappointment
I wouldn't have any appointment



Grimey Drawer

VoodooXT posted:

Iím still a little sour that Shudder went with Joe Bob instead of Elvira.

I'm glad somebody said it!

CPL593H
Oct 28, 2009

I know what you did last summer, and frankly I am displeased.

caligulamprey posted:

The world has passed Joe Bob by. I was a teen insomniac who watched Monstervision religiously, but now I'm 39 and a completely different person with a completely different viewpoint and Joe Bob is exactly the same. He's fully ascended to the position of your cool uncle you used to cherish who turned out to be a bit of a poo poo.

Bring back Gilbert Gottfried and USA UP! All Nite, tho.

Being able to just watch that show on demand is not nearly the same as being ten years old and stumbling upon a redneck talking about some weird 80s horror movie on a Saturday night chud or no chud.

Iron Crowned
May 6, 2003


CPL593H posted:

Being able to just watch that show on demand is not nearly the same as being ten years old and stumbling upon a redneck talking about some weird 80s horror movie on a Saturday night chud or no chud.

:same:

Origami Dali
Jan 7, 2005

Get ready to fuck!
You fucker's fucker!
You fucker!


CPL593H posted:

Being able to just watch that show on demand is not nearly the same as being ten years old and stumbling upon a redneck talking about some weird 80s horror movie on a Saturday night chud or no chud.

Somewhat related, I've been thinking about this kind of thing lately. Watching a movie or show on scheduled television felt like a collective, connective thing for me. I remember watching schlock poo poo on USA Up All Night, early MST3K, a late night showing of a horror anthology series, or some reeeeally bizarre poo poo like WeirdTV that we could only pick up on a long range satellite dish, and knowing that thousands of others were watching at the same time, and I found something comforting about that. Movies and shows were big campfires that we gathered around together, even if we never met each other. There was something to that feeling that fragmented digital self-service doesn't capture. At least, not yet.

Empress Brosephine
Mar 31, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS


Goon TV used to give that feeling, wonder if it's still around

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feedmyleg
Dec 25, 2004

EVERY FAIRY TALE NEEDS ITS HERO.



Hey, there's always Svengoolie on Saturday nights available pretty much wherever via digital antenna.

There's also Twich and YouTube livestreams but... who can be bothered.

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