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Toalpaz
Mar 20, 2012

Peace through overwhelming determination


Futaba Anzu posted:

wouldn't mom just be greed in that case? also i just realized those are butterflies in her eyes because that's greed's visual motif lol

Mom can't be her own archbishop if she's satella.

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Hunt11
Jul 24, 2013



Grimey Drawer

We already met the archbishop of greed in the first episode of the season.

doomisland
Oct 5, 2004



Greedy for two witch slots

Jon Joe
Oct 19, 2011

GUESS WHO'S LYING


Grimey Drawer

Otto is too precious

Nitrousoxide
May 30, 2011

do not buy a oneplus phone





Hunt11 posted:

We already met the archbishop of greed in the first episode of the season.

He called himself that but he didn't have a book like Beetlejuice did.

Elephant Parade
Jan 20, 2018



Nitrousoxide posted:

He called himself that but he didn't have a book like Beetlejuice did.
maybe he had it in his pocket or something. we didn't see betty's book until literally this episode, so it wouldn't be a unique case ifor him to not immediately show it off

Nitrousoxide
May 30, 2011

do not buy a oneplus phone





Elephant Parade posted:

maybe he had it in his pocket or something. we didn't see betty's book until literally this episode, so it wouldn't be a unique case ifor him to not immediately show it off

Perhaps. However his demeanor is more in line with a archbishop of pride. Since he was incredibly offended when he was interrupted and not paid his proper respect.

MagicBoots
Mar 29, 2010

How about we pump the atmosphere full of methane?
You put me on Cargo handling optimization?! I am the premier defense specialist in the entirety of the UN!
Don't you dare pull my funding!
You can't cut back on funding!
You will regret this!

Futaba Anzu posted:

wouldn't mom just be greed in that case? also i just realized those are butterflies in her eyes because that's greed's visual motif lol

Neat, I had noticed the butterfly eyes but didn't make the connection with the beginning of the OP and Echidna's hair ornament until I read your post.

I'm looking forward to our motley crew of Ram, Otto and Subaru taking on the world.

Elephant Parade
Jan 20, 2018



Nitrousoxide posted:

Perhaps. However his demeanor is more in line with a archbishop of pride. Since he was incredibly offended when he was interrupted and not paid his proper respect.
it's not like beetlejuice was particuparly slothful

Conspiratiorist
Nov 12, 2015


Regulus acted like a SovCit and that should tell you everything about him.

Nitrousoxide
May 30, 2011

do not buy a oneplus phone





Elephant Parade posted:

it's not like beetlejuice was particuparly slothful

Maybe, but it doesn't seem like all of the vices necessarily line up smoothly with what our typical conception of them are. We know that greed is not about obtaining material wealth but rather knowledge despite our typical association with it being the former. So sloth could have been his disdain for knowledge, he didn't even know that he was the archbishop of sloth after all.

Gluttony also doesn't seem to match up smoothly with our understanding of it usually. It of course usually is is associated with a unhealthy desire for food or pleasure, but in this case it's a overwhelming urge for names and experiences.

The only thing we know for sure is that greed is associated with a desire to know everything which the man we met at the beginning of the season did not have any quirks which would indicate an association with that.

madmac
Jun 22, 2010


Otto is such a good boy.

Armani Glasses
Feb 29, 2008

They're for reading.

Nitrousoxide posted:

he didn't even know that he was the archbishop of sloth after all.

He didn't? I feel I must have forgotten that revelation, what was this?

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012


He totally did. He introduced himself as "Archbishop of the Witches Cult representing Sloth Betelgeuse Romanee-Conti."

He instead of being Slolthful himself, seemed to dislike those that showed sloth and was incredibly diligent instead.

Regulus instead stated he was content, but disliked having what he viewed as his rights being taken from him. "That's a violation of my right to speak one of my few possessions"
Batankaitos seemed to represent his sin the most, but is not hungry for food.

Nitrousoxide
May 30, 2011

do not buy a oneplus phone





I guess I misremembered Beetlejuice.

Regulus shows none of the traits that I would expect someone who gets his witch factor from Echidna.

Whereas Beatrice is very much like Echidna.

Conspiratiorist
Nov 12, 2015


madmac posted:

Otto is such a good boy.

Subaru showed up out of the blue when Otto was at the end of his rope, giving him not only an out for his situation but also instantly treating him like a valuable and reliable asset, while playing the right notes to push him forward against his misgivings. Despite all the sass he and how it's been consistently putting him in danger, Otto understandably feels greatly appreciated; this complete stranger could just see right through him and find worth where he wasn't even sure there was any himself.

Like Rem, a case of Subaru being Subaru and accidentally making a loyal friend out of a good person that just needed to be reached out to.

Also now that it's happened once, it's good to see Subaru's foremost concern being the possibility of ending up stuck in timelines where he loses people close to him. He's mostly gotten over the idea of sacrificing himself (and he's even become a little too gung-ho about suicide) but having others suffer is something he won't abide.

macabresca
Jan 26, 2019

I WANNA HUG


I gotta say, after a reset Subaru was maybe the most competent and clear-headed ever, the boy's growing!

But it's ReZero so obvs it went to poo poo anyway. Still, go Subaru!

Hogama
Sep 3, 2011


Most people don't seem to notice Subaru's witch-scent, so it's pretty fair that he wasn't anticipating that to disrupt his loops again.

Sazabi
Feb 15, 2014

A-MA-ZON!!

I wonder how everyone knows exactly how the witch smells. Did she piss on half the world like a dog or cat marking their territory?

Nitrousoxide
May 30, 2011

do not buy a oneplus phone





Sazabi posted:

I wonder how everyone knows exactly how the witch smells. Did she piss on half the world like a dog or cat marking their territory?

I imagine Beatrice stinks of her. And he is well acquainted with her.

Clarste
Apr 15, 2013

Just how many mistakes have you suffered on the way here?

An uncountable number, to be sure.


Nitrousoxide posted:

Perhaps. However his demeanor is more in line with a archbishop of pride. Since he was incredibly offended when he was interrupted and not paid his proper respect.

Didn't Beetlejuice specifically say the archbishop of Pride was a vacant position? That's why he thought Subaru might be the one.

Clarste fucked around with this message at 00:48 on Aug 20, 2020

Hogama
Sep 3, 2011


Clarste posted:

Did Beetlejuice specifically say the archbishop of Pride was a vacant position? That's why he thought Subaru might be the one.

Hogama posted:

This was back in episode 22.

As far as I recall, this is about the only explicit context for Subaru and Pride thus far.
On a further review, Betey-boy actually asked if Subaru was Pride on their very first meeting, too.

Clarste
Apr 15, 2013

Just how many mistakes have you suffered on the way here?

An uncountable number, to be sure.


I mean, I'd believe it.

Tabletops
Jan 27, 2014

anime

Annointed posted:

WAIT SO Beatrice is part of the witch’s cult and let Elsa kill everyone, and let Elsa into her library so Elsa can kill Subaru. And made sure it was Elsa killing Subaru and not Subaru killing himself as it’s not part of the cult’s book’s prophecy. And now the village head and Garfield are trying to pull a gambit and get Emilia to succeed the trials by having Subaru kidnapped also cause Subaru is full of Witch Scent now.

I am having difficulty understanding wait

So is Mother? Did Beatrice say “Mother” so like are the Witches or at least one of them the creator of Beatrice???


I assume because all the great spirits were created by satella, weren't they? Or at least that seemed implied in the movie.

Err maybe not all... but the beast of the end was I believe, and Beatrice saw puck as kin and she is also a great spirit therefore?

Edit edit: on further review it seems satella is never named, the only thing referred to is a witch.

Tabletops fucked around with this message at 05:00 on Aug 20, 2020

Grouchio
Aug 31, 2014

I am trying to do better.


I really, really, really want to answer all of your questions but that would delve into big arc spoilers. If any of you are antsy and need to know now, please PM me.

Mindblast
Jun 28, 2006

Moving at the speed of death.




Keep in mind that speculation does not immediately equal the desire to be spoilt!

thechosenone
Mar 20, 2009


Well I guess if one doesn't want to be spoiled, then make sure not to PM Grouchio, I suppose.

Yak of Wrath
Feb 24, 2011

Keeping It Together


Sazabi posted:

I wonder how everyone knows exactly how the witch smells. Did she piss on half the world like a dog or cat marking their territory?

I think spirits and (certain/all?)demi-humans can smell magic, and if they've had a run in with Satella/Cultists recall the scent, and react accordingly. Has Emilia ever commented on it, maybe she is too polite?

On this episode given Beatrice's demeanor I interpreted it as she was acting on conditions of past contracts she'd made. Considering that when she made a contract with Suburu she ended up exploding her house, she wouldn't appear well versed in the finer points of contract bargaining.

AlternateNu
May 5, 2005

"すやぁ~じゃなくて!"



Grouchio posted:

I really, really, really want to answer all of your questions but that would delve into big arc spoilers. If any of you are antsy and need to know now, please PM me.

Christ, Grouchio. Please don't do this after the other episodes air.


That said, why the gently caress is this show so loving good!? Beako scene. Otto scene into title card. And of course, this:

Yawgmoft
Nov 15, 2004


Yak of Wrath posted:

On this episode given Beatrice's demeanor I interpreted it as she was acting on conditions of past contracts she'd made. Considering that when she made a contract with Suburu she ended up exploding her house, she wouldn't appear well versed in the finer points of contract bargaining.

She seemed more detached and much less emotional when it was a contract.

Armani Glasses
Feb 29, 2008

They're for reading.

Yawgmoft posted:

She seemed more detached and much less emotional when it was a contract.

Yeah it 100% felt fully emotional this time, then trying to explain it away with "totally all just cause the book told me too" after Subaru kicked off.

Mindblast
Jun 28, 2006

Moving at the speed of death.




AlternateNu posted:

Christ, Grouchio. Please don't do this after the other episodes air.

He couldn't wait to see where the story was going, which I can totally get, so he'd go read ahead. But now he also wants to talk shop with those who didn't. Which isn't easily gonna work! Can't have your novel cake and eat your anime too!

RevolverDivider
Nov 12, 2016



Yeah I've put Grouchio on ignore until the season ends because I don't want to read "OH JUST YOU WAIT HOHOHO" after every single episode.

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010


College Slice

To be fair I think this:

Grouchio posted:

Grouchio posted:

I TOLD Y'ALL THIS IS GOOD poo poo

Was more than fine.


Grouchio posted:

I really, really, really want to answer all of your questions but that would delve into big arc spoilers. If any of you are antsy and need to know now, please PM me.

But this is flying too close to the sun because it influences our understanding of the work and the information as to whether something is "important" or not.

So Grouchio please do more of the former, and cut down on the latter, because the more genre savy or trope poisoned someone is, the more they can infer information you didn't intend from non-spoiler talk by someone who knows spoilers.

Futaba Anzu
May 5, 2011

GROSS BOY



Raenir Salazar posted:

So Grouchio please do more of the former,

I'd rather he just stay out of this thread entirely because those are just empty posts completely, go gush out in the LN thread if you want to release hype

Blaze Dragon
Aug 28, 2013
LOWTAX'S SPINE FUND




I'm glad this has finally explained that there's at least one thing that Subaru's time loops can never change. Ram will always be cute.

AlternateNu
May 5, 2005

"すやぁ~じゃなくて!"



Blaze Dragon posted:

I'm glad this has finally explained that there's at least one thing that Subaru's time loops can never change. Ram will always be cute.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gk3g-4Ge6Bo

Raxivace
Sep 9, 2014



I'm now convinced that Ram > Rem

Ram:
-Says "Ha"
-Will be cute even when a grandma
-Doesn't need no demon horn
-Gives out nicknames

Rem:
-Too sleepy to even bother defending herself
-Completely forgotten by society
-Has demon horn. That's weird.
-Gives out no nicknames, must not be very creative
-Losing the Subarubowl to Emilia

Raxivace fucked around with this message at 19:33 on Aug 20, 2020

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012


On her downsides she is attracted to people in clown makeup.

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AnoHito
May 8, 2014



Ram has always been better than Rem. Rem is an insecure little crybaby, while Ram is the super cool confident woman with a good sense of humor who knows and accepts all of her own faults.

Garfield has good taste/owns.

MonsterEnvy posted:

On her downsides she is attracted to people in clown makeup.

what do you mean downsides?

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