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Cernunnos
Sep 2, 2011



This

This is art.

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Tiggum
Oct 23, 2007


PetraCore posted:

There's also the fact that the USA's overton window is hosed up so people that are 'liberal' here are 'conservative' elsewhere. What some people don't get is that conservative in the USA means you've gotta be hardcore Into Some poo poo, otherwise you'd just be a centrist.
Americans just use those terms incorrectly. When Americans say "liberal" they mean "Democrat" and when they say "conservative" they mean Republican. Although they often seem to think they're acknowledging international politics by keeping the specific party names out of it, they're actually doing the opposite by using their utterly insane definitions of words that used to be well understood but are now completely useless because no one can ever be sure what you mean by them.

Liberal and conservative aren't even opposites. They're on different axes. Conservatives prefer to maintain the status-quo. Liberals favour policies tending toward free-market capitalism. If the current governmental framework is liberal then liberals are conservatives.

Cloacamazing!
Apr 18, 2018


Edgar Allen Ho posted:

About twenty billion years ago in an old iteration of this thread, there was an american being extremely hostile to a british republican (not irish, british, the republican specifically wanted lizzy 2 to not be monarch of the Paedophisles or the former colonies) because of Trump and friends ruining the word "republican." Like you couldn't be a republican anymore without endorsing fascism. Those were the loving days.

In Germany, the party called Republicans is an actual nazi party, so when I learned that a major US party shared that name, I asked my parents why the US was run by nazis. They explained to me that the US Republicans are just their conservative party and the name is a coincidence. Over two decades later, we're not so sure anymore.

Veni Vidi Ameche!
Nov 2, 2017

by Fluffdaddy


“It’s a coincidence, but let’s keep an eye on this poo poo.”

Antigravitas
Dec 8, 2019

Outside Context Problem


Cloacamazing! posted:

In Germany, the party called Republicans is an actual nazi party, so when I learned that a major US party shared that name, I asked my parents why the US was run by nazis. They explained to me that the US Republicans are just their conservative party and the name is a coincidence. Over two decades later, we're not so sure anymore.

Politics across the Atlantic can nowadays be expressed entirely by this photo:

Inceltown
Aug 6, 2019










Telling an insanely successful aboriginal person to check their privilege is some next level poo poo.

Not linking the actual tweet because gently caress that attention grabbing dickhead

BrigadierSensible
Feb 16, 2012

Don't get my name wrong,
If you want to touch me there.

Forgive me if this question is naive or stupid. But this comes from the Stephan Molyneux getting kicked off Youtube thing from a page or two ago.

How do people like him, (Laura Loomer, the short small faced bloke, the bald creepy guy pretending to drink scotch etc.), actually make enough money to pay rent and buy food etc?

I have heard of 'the conservative grift', but how does it work? Do you write "I hate poofs and muslims, and the jew is using the black as muscle against you. Also Donald trump is a sensual dynamo." on twitter, and then like minded people give you money? Or do you say that fine upstanding and in no way hosed up statement on a youtube channel, adding "please like and subscribe, it'll own the libs", and then people give you money? Do these videos get enough views so the advertisers pay enough so the people get a living wage?

Do they write, (and sell), books about how much they hate the LGBTQ people and browns or how women and liberals are ruining this once fine land etc. to earn their crust? Coz if they do, I don't see them in bookshops. Is the public speaking circuit lucrative enough to pay them what they need to live? Also is it big enough that it can afford to hire relative nobodies like Loomer to fly around the country speaking to enough people to be worth it?

I guess what I am saying in my beep boop way is: I can see the ways that they might grift, but none of them seem big enough to be financially viable. Apart from getting a job as a Fox News guest/pundit I suppose. But even then, surely teh network would get bored of you after a while and move on to the next big alt-right thing.

edit: on the German political party the Republicans thing - In Australia our Right Wing party are called The Liberals. And they are Right Wing fuckknuckles to a man.

BrigadierSensible has a new favorite as of 07:34 on Jul 1, 2020

T-man
Aug 22, 2010


Talk shit, get bzzzt.



The Koch Brothers and other rich fucks give them cushy think-tank jobs, have their astroterfs give them speaking fees, and yes, meemaw and pawpaw blowing $90 on a nootropic that claims to make you immune to Islamic 5G

Most of them eventually become too obvious or say the quiet part too loud and end up too hot. At which point they're hosed, but that hasn't stopped others.

Inceltown
Aug 6, 2019








BrigadierSensible posted:

Forgive me if this question is naive or stupid. But this comes from the Stephan Molyneux getting kicked off Youtube thing from a page or two ago.

How do people like him, (Laura Loomer, the short small faced bloke, the bald creepy guy pretending to drink scotch etc.), actually make enough money to pay rent and buy food etc?

I have heard of 'the conservative grift', but how does it work? Do you write "I hate poofs and muslims, and the jew is using the black as muscle against you. Also Donald trump is a sensual dynamo." on twitter, and then like minded people give you money? Or do you say that fine upstanding and in no way hosed up statement on a youtube channel, adding "please like and subscribe, it'll own the libs", and then people give you money? Do these videos get enough views so the advertisers pay enough so the people get a living wage?

Do they write, (and sell), books about how much they hate the LGBTQ people and browns or how women and liberals are ruining this once fine land etc. to earn their crust? Coz if they do, I don't see them in bookshops. Is the public speaking circuit lucrative enough to pay them what they need to live? Also is it big enough that it can afford to hire relative nobodies like Loomer to fly around the country speaking to enough people to be worth it?

I guess what I am saying in my beep boop way is: I can see the ways that they might grift, but none of them seem big enough to be financially viable. Apart from getting a job as a Fox News guest/pundit I suppose. But even then, surely teh network would get bored of you after a while and move on to the next big alt-right thing.

edit: on the German political party the Republicans thing - In Australia our Right Wing party are called The Liberals. And they are Right Wing fuckknuckles to a man.

Patreon and google adbux is huge money if you're big. Add to that you'll get things like a benefactor throwing you money (charlie kirk, smol ben etc) and it can really add up.

We Got Us A Bread
Jul 23, 2007



Inceltown posted:

Patreon and google adbux is huge money if you're big. Add to that you'll get things like a benefactor throwing you money (charlie kirk, smol ben etc) and it can really add up.

You don't even have to be "big" as far as subscriptions go, it's all about watch time. My wife has a Youtube channel with ~900k subscribers, and between adbux and sponsorships (where the real money is, since YouTube can't demonetize those), she clears around $20k a month.

grittyreboot
Oct 2, 2012



We Got Us A Bread posted:

You don't even have to be "big" as far as subscriptions go, it's all about watch time. My wife has a Youtube channel with ~900k subscribers, and between adbux and sponsorships (where the real money is, since YouTube can't demonetize those), she clears around $20k a month.

2 questions: How strong is your marriage? What's your wife's type?

Inceltown
Aug 6, 2019








grittyreboot posted:

2 questions: How strong is your marriage? What's your wife's type?

We Got Us A Bread
Jul 23, 2007



grittyreboot posted:

2 questions: How strong is your marriage? What's your wife's type?

Oh, I definitely got lucky, she moved from Hawaii to NOLA for me and I love her dearly. The key, apparently, is to watch one of a YouTuber's videos, think they did a good job, message them to tell them that they did a good job..and this is key...have them, at that exact moment, clear out all of their notifications so that yours is the only one that pops up. 4 years later, and we're very happy. Sorry?

Veib
Dec 10, 2007




Grimey Drawer

That's the most powerful and successful reply guy move I have ever seen

Inceltown
Aug 6, 2019








We Got Us A Bread posted:

Oh, I definitely got lucky, she moved from Hawaii to NOLA for me and I love her dearly. The key, apparently, is to watch one of a YouTuber's videos, think they did a good job, message them to tell them that they did a good job..and this is key...have them, at that exact moment, clear out all of their notifications so that yours is the only one that pops up. 4 years later, and we're very happy. Sorry?

When does she clear her notifications

Inceltown
Aug 6, 2019








Veib posted:

That's the most powerful and successful reply guy move I have ever seen

The Saddest Rhino
Apr 29, 2009

I could hear the roots of loneliness creeping through me when the world was hushed at four o'clock in the morning






We Got Us A Bread posted:

Oh, I definitely got lucky, she moved from Hawaii to NOLA for me and I love her dearly. The key, apparently, is to watch one of a YouTuber's videos, think they did a good job, message them to tell them that they did a good job..and this is key...have them, at that exact moment, clear out all of their notifications so that yours is the only one that pops up. 4 years later, and we're very happy. Sorry?

both a wife guy and a reply guy, yet wholesome

We Got Us A Bread
Jul 23, 2007



The Saddest Rhino posted:

both a wife guy and a reply guy, yet wholesome

I do my best. No idea why she bothered to respond to "I think your video was well researched and presented, thanks for the quality content", but here we are.

Inceltown
Aug 6, 2019








We Got Us A Bread posted:

I do my best. No idea why she bothered to respond to "I think your video was well researched and presented, thanks for the quality content", but here we are.

That's some serious serendipity poo poo.

Imagine how your life would have gone if it was a dickpic instead.

Vib Rib
Jul 23, 2007

God damn this shit is
fuckin' re-dic-a-liss


I know this isn't really relevant to the thread's theme but drat it sure makes me think about how wildly things can change with as minor as a single second's worth of hesitation. One slightly longer loading time on the page refresh and you'd both be living a completely different life. Glad you both found each other against the odds.

Tiggum
Oct 23, 2007


BrigadierSensible posted:

In Australia our Right Wing party are called The Liberals.
Correctly so. They're using the original meaning of the term from before American media confused everyone.

Inceltown
Aug 6, 2019








BrigadierSensible posted:

In Australia our Right Wing party are called <insert one or more of the following>

choose one or more of the following
the alp, the liberals, pauline hansons one nation, jacqui lambie network, the greens (they're not left, i'll fight you on this) ....

Scratch Monkey
Oct 25, 2010

Proč bychom se netěšili když nám Pán Bůh zdraví dá?


He got Sliding Doors-Ed

BrigadierSensible
Feb 16, 2012

Don't get my name wrong,
If you want to touch me there.

Inceltown posted:

choose one or more of the following
the alp, the liberals, pauline hansons one nation, jacqui lambie network, the greens (they're not left, i'll fight you on this) ....

Clive Palmer's Palmer United Party for life!

I really want to vote for a fat tax-dodging millionaire that has hosed over all his workers for his entire career, has multiple lawsuits against him, (including one currently from Twisted Sister), and whose method of hiding his money from the government is to give it all to his nephew and him to go on an extended Eastern European holiday so the taxman, and all the workers he owes money to can't get it.

Anora
Feb 15, 2014

I fuckin suck!



I went to college for a useless degree X-ray med tech. Every X-ray is only about 3 hours of sun exposure.

Scratch Monkey
Oct 25, 2010

Proč bychom se netěšili když nám Pán Bůh zdraví dá?


https://twitter.com/bessbell/status/1278185179828215809?s=20

Bess != idiot

there wolf
Jan 11, 2015






BrigadierSensible posted:

I guess what I am saying in my beep boop way is: I can see the ways that they might grift, but none of them seem big enough to be financially viable. Apart from getting a job as a Fox News guest/pundit I suppose. But even then, surely teh network would get bored of you after a while and move on to the next big alt-right thing.

The answer is that con games are rarely financially viable in the long run, so trying to parse out how Loomer pays her bills with what she does is pointless. The answer is she probably doesn't, and lives on credit which will come back and bite her at some point in the future like it did Milo.

People call it a conservative grift machine, but it's really graft. Conservatives built a feeder network of think tanks, political action groups, media outlets, pundits, and other flunkies that are all ultimately funded by a couple rich fucks like the Kochs in order to push social and political policy. You want to make money as a conservative pundit, then you want to be in on one of those networks because they're being funded straight-forwardly from above.

But even then, because these networks do partake in grifting and thus attract grifters at ever level, you'll still end up with people like the president of the NRA who was sitting on a pretty sweet gig and ruined it by stealing too much from the organization. They just can't loving help themselves.

Mr. Fall Down Terror
Jan 24, 2018


yeah most of the grifters limp along until they crash and their audience vanishes, or they manage to climb the ladder into an actual paid gig somewhere for a think tank or propaganda outlet

loomer never had a chance. she relied on her emotional instability as a substitute for talent, same as baked alaska, mike cernovich, and many others

diamond and silk managed to get paid contributor gigs on fox news until they got booted out for dipping into the conspiracy theory well too many times. they are uniquely positioned as black middle class christians though, who are rare on the grift scene

jordan peterson and stephen molyneux are similar in that they are mentally competent enough to play the game, but not cognizant enough of how to get into a solid grift job and so they'll eventually be felled for one reason or another, whether it is substance abuse or terminal genericness

charlie kirk is probably the most successful grifter as he jumped nearly directly into running his own org, even if it does suffer blows from funding withdrawl and diaper rash sometimes

there wolf posted:

People call it a conservative grift machine, but it's really graft. Conservatives built a feeder network of think tanks, political action groups, media outlets, pundits, and other flunkies that are all ultimately funded by a couple rich fucks like the Kochs in order to push social and political policy. You want to make money as a conservative pundit, then you want to be in on one of those networks because they're being funded straight-forwardly from above.


the mercer family (evil rich fucks who fund a lot of this poo poo) cut off TPUSA some time ago when it turned out that the whole initiative of trying to reach out to college kids was nearly exclusively interacted with on social media by white boomers

Mr. Fall Down Terror has a new favorite as of 12:59 on Jul 1, 2020

EL BROMANCE
Jun 10, 2006

COWABUNGA DUDES!



Scratch Monkey posted:

Bess != idiot

Imagine how stupid someone would have to be to tweet alongside Bill Mitchell and be considered the idiot in the conversation.

Speaking of which, Bad Covid Takes has a chain just of his tweets, and last I looked they hit 60. Probably more since. The guy just extraordinarily stupid and should probably be studied for science purposes.

Shellception
Oct 12, 2016

I just wasted all my charitable impulse for the day on a wet lump of fuzz.






BrigadierSensible posted:

on the German political party the Republicans thing - In Australia our Right Wing party are called The Liberals. And they are Right Wing fuckknuckles to a man.

Spain here. Anybody calling themselves a Liberal here are, at the very least, centre-right and we have some really right leaning ones. Populars are rightwingers. Socialists are not socialists, in that they started out as that, but shifted positions in the 80's and oficially stopped following socialist doctrines. They currently are moderate-euro leftwingers. And Republicans (want the king out) tend to be left to hard-left.

I had a bit of a funny conversation with a friend who was born in former Yugoslavia, about how our socialists currently do not have much to do with what she thinks of as socialists. She said ours had false advertising going on

Shellception has a new favorite as of 14:43 on Jul 1, 2020

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017


Quoth James Cameron,

"Nevermore"



Don't forget that a lot of these grifters come from money too. Smol ben for example.


Also, it's not like the democrats aren't correctly known as liberal. It's just that the US overton window is shifted far to the right so americans reflexively call everything left of the american centre "liberal". Liberal=marxist to a lot of us.

Henchman of Santa
Aug 21, 2010


EL BROMANCE posted:

Imagine how stupid someone would have to be to tweet alongside Bill Mitchell and be considered the idiot in the conversation.

Speaking of which, Bad Covid Takes has a chain just of his tweets, and last I looked they hit 60. Probably more since. The guy just extraordinarily stupid and should probably be studied for science purposes.

He's one of the dumbest guys in the world and he totally owned us all in 2016.

Zipperelli.
Apr 3, 2011





Nap Ghost

She's back, and she's doubling down!

https://nypost.com/2020/06/18/officer-karen-says-people-lost-the-point-of-mcmuffin-video/

OfficerMcMuffin posted:

The Georgia officer whose tearful video about her late McDonald’s order went viral has come forward — saying many people “lost the whole point” of her sharing the saga.

Stacy Talbert, a sheriff’s deputy in McIntosh County, said she filmed herself on Facebook Live to describe the current frustrations of law enforcement to others, NBC News reported.
“Everybody lost the whole point of the video,” Talbert told the outlet. “I’m just so sick of people being mean.”

In the video, Talbert became emotional as she recounted the long wait she faced picking up a mobile order for a McMuffin, hashbrowns and coffee at a McDonald’s in Richmond Hill, just outside Savannah.

By the time a worker finally came out with only a coffee, Talbert says, she told the fast food employee not to bother with the food because she was too “nervous” to eat something she couldn’t watch being made.

Talbert originally posted the video to Facebook Live before it circulated on Twitter, receiving more than 16 million views.

While some online were supportive, others slammed Talbert for complaining and dubbed her “Officer Karen,” employing the nickname that has become shorthand for white women who make a fuss about innocuous incidents.

But she told NBC that she’s taken new monikers — which also included “Molly McMuffin” — in stride, saying they’re “actually kind of funny.”

Talbert said the video had nothing to do with her tardy McMuffin order — but rather the public lacking trust in law enforcement.

“It’s not that people are waiting in the wings to hurt us,” she told NBC. “It’s that people don’t trust us.”

Talbert said she’d spoken to the owners of the McDonald’s to explain she hadn’t been treated badly by staff — and the proprietors, Gary and Jill Stanberry, told NBC they apologized to Talbert for an “unsatisfactory experience.”

The officer said she gets why there was backlash to the video, but she “just wanted to share that I hurt, too.”

“It was completely selfish,” she told NBC. “Maybe that’s insensitive. But if everyone else is saying what’s going on with them. Why can’t I?”




Holy gently caress those last 2 lines. Like, jesus that's some aggressively white people poo poo. ThEy CaN sO wHy CaNt i??!?!

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

I'm the babyliberal, gotta love me!


Zipperelli. posted:

She's back, and she's doubling down!

https://nypost.com/2020/06/18/officer-karen-says-people-lost-the-point-of-mcmuffin-video/



Holy gently caress those last 2 lines. Like, jesus that's some aggressively white people poo poo. ThEy CaN sO wHy CaNt i??!?!

You can have your free expression like any other cop, when you're lying to the judge at an arraignment hearing.

KennyMan666
May 27, 2010

The Saga



Have a story about idiots, on social media. Don't miss out on this thread, folks, it's a ride.

https://twitter.com/archer_rs/status/1277505330885386240

Dewgy
Nov 10, 2005
ENGLISH VA WORK IN DUBS USUALLY SUCKS BIG TIME


KennyMan666 posted:

Have a story about idiots, on social media. Don't miss out on this thread, folks, it's a ride.

https://twitter.com/archer_rs/status/1277505330885386240

Speaking as someone who does international customer service, this is the most British thing I’ve ever read.

hosed up majorly and screw yourself? Blame everyone else, demand to talk to the manager, request nebulous compensation. Every. loving. Time.

Push El Burrito
May 9, 2006




Soiled Meat


We do. At the end of every month I piss blood for a week.

Veni Vidi Ameche!
Nov 2, 2017

by Fluffdaddy


Push El Burrito posted:

We do. At the end of every month I piss blood for a week.

Do women not know about this?

The Ferret King
Nov 23, 2003

cluck cluck

Push El Burrito posted:

We do. At the end of every month I piss blood for a week.

Loosen your grip. Happens to me too.

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snergle
Aug 3, 2013


Zipperelli. posted:

She's back, and she's doubling down!

https://nypost.com/2020/06/18/officer-karen-says-people-lost-the-point-of-mcmuffin-video/



Holy gently caress those last 2 lines. Like, jesus that's some aggressively white people poo poo. ThEy CaN sO wHy CaNt i??!?!

i love being called officer mcmuffin please keep doing it it doesnt hurt my feelings is my take away. i hope she is called officer mcmuffin by all her coworkers to.

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