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Monathin posted:I did skip it but I'm gonna say I don't like this either. Again, joke vote that turns into real vote doesn't sit well for me.  Slowly we unfurl as Lotus Auras 'Cause all I want is the scum upon a stick
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Also I don't really buy 'nervy scum' as an argument. Day 1 is the day where scum have the least amount of trouble flying under the radar. As someone who has been scum on Day 1 plenty of times it's the easiest day unless your scum versus town meta is comically disparate.
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wologar posted:
Lotus is definitely on my radar for the same reasons, for sure.
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Oh why why why All I could reply is l-o-l.
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My opinion on Meen hasn't changed, resigned posting isn't any indication of towniness to me.
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That's fine with me. If we flip town Meen like I'm starting to suspect we will after cooling on it after most of yesterday that will also be good information.
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Votecount for Day 1  Ignatius M. Meen (6): Illusionis, Monathin, wologar, Illusionis (2): Monathin, b-minus1 My Second Re-Reg (1): Lotus Aura Hyper Crab Tank (0): WindwardAway, wologar, WindwardAway (0): b-minus1, wologar (0): Lotus Aura, Lotus Aura (0): b-minus1, wologar, Monathin (0): b-minus1, Bifauxnen (0): Monathin, girl dick energy, b-minus1 (0): Bifauxnen, Not Voting (4): Bifauxnen, Cloacamazing!, Hyper Crab Tank, My Second Re-RegWith 13 alive, it's 7 votes to execute. The current deadline is November 09th, 2022 at 4 p.m. CST -- that's in about 2 hours, 3 minutes. Posting it for my own convenience more than anything.
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Conversely, while I'm entertaining ALL options, if Meen does flip scum then Bif, Clo, MSRR and HCT look a lot worse for it.
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b-minus1 posted:Actually I’m not sure about illusionis. Man the scum are making it difficult to find them. If I squint hard enough everyone looks scummy Doesn't that just mean we all suck at being town?
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Rush deal has expired! ##unvote
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Monathin posted:Fight is probably the wrong word. Illusionis came in and made noise about "if you think Hal is scum why aren't you voting them, that seems sus", which again feels like a misread of what people were saying about Hal. Aside from prodding Cloaca about 'who is scum', they made noise about it but didn't comment on the current vote leader at all. If anything, I'd think that Illu was trying to draw attention away from the Meen wagon. Like if Meen flips scum I'd look closely at Illu tomorrow. But you think the opposite is more likely?
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Monathin posted:Conversely, while I'm entertaining ALL options, if Meen does flip scum then Bif, Clo, MSRR and HCT look a lot worse for it. I know... Ask me about my first mafia game where I managed to defend not one but two scum, and also got wol lunched. I was town.
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Monathin posted:Conversely, while I'm entertaining ALL options, if Meen does flip scum then Bif, Clo, MSRR and HCT look a lot worse for it. How exactly do you figure that one, chief?
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Monathin posted:That's fine with me. If we flip town Meen like I'm starting to suspect we will after cooling on it after most of yesterday that will also be good information. I think it's more indicative of scum knowing they're done for I don't see any reason why town would claim a somewhat unverifiable role, self-vote, and disappear. I mean, I get that Meen's been under the microscope for a good while but he hasn't fought back and while he threw a "maybe Hal is lurking scum" comment out there after retracting the ping from Illusionis, he never followed up on voting there. There's no fight, so if anything I think he's just scum and his teammates already decided they might as well bus him.
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wologar posted:🤔 buddy click this to blow your mind wide open, maybe even this
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Cloacamazing! posted:I know... Ask me about my first mafia game where I managed to defend not one but two scum, and also got wol lunched. I was town. 💀
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My Second Re-Reg posted:How exactly do you figure that one, chief? You say you're feeling good about an Iggy vote but then didn't place a vote anywhere as a point of confidence. If he's scum the easy thing to do to fly under the radar would be to support your scumbud's vote you can't stop but not place a vote to help doom them.
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WindwardAway posted:I think it's more indicative of scum knowing they're done for It'd be easy to verify me even if I didn't message every night like I plan to with a new message. Track me, or just wait for two people to pop up saying they got a message from me and talking about the song reference I put in at the end. Not that you're interested in that, too busy trying to talk town into swatting the mosquito you see me as.
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WindwardAway posted:I think it's more indicative of scum knowing they're done for I don't think I've ever seen scum self-vote unless they're the last scum and the jig is up. Self-vote pretty much is far more likely a frustrated townie move to me.
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Ignatius M. Meen posted:buddy click this to blow your mind wide open, maybe even this  Well now I see that youve done the self-vote as town But I still don't know whether you exclusively do it as town And I still stand by what I said thinking your explanation to me felt unnecessary Let's try this instead - of all of us who are currently voting you, do you think anyone in particular is scum?
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Monathin posted:You say you're feeling good about an Iggy vote but then didn't place a vote anywhere as a point of confidence. If he's scum the easy thing to do to fly under the radar would be to support your scumbud's vote you can't stop but not place a vote to help doom them. So... what, you want me to hammer to make you feel better? Because generally I agree with your line of logic here: Monathin posted:Hi, I'm here. I can hammer as needed but we've got 3 hours to go and I'd like to do some last minute post analysis before I actually commit to a vote. We've still got 3 hours before deadline. Early hammering has gotten me screwed before - I don't joke vote and I don't vote until I'm good and ready to, particularly if I'm not convinced someone is scum.
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Ignatius M. Meen posted:It'd be easy to verify me even if I didn't message every night like I plan to with a new message. Track me, or just wait for two people to pop up saying they got a message from me and talking about the song reference I put in at the end. Not that you're interested in that, too busy trying to talk town into swatting the mosquito you see me as. Oh, the messenger part is easily verifiable, I don't doubt that part of your role. I meant that there's no way to prove your targets are randomized rather than a conscious choice.
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Monathin posted:I don't think I've ever seen scum self-vote unless they're the last scum and the jig is up. Self-vote pretty much is far more likely a frustrated townie move to me. I regret to admit that I did it once during joke phase as scum and literally everyone dogpiled and voted me out immediately
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My Second Re-Reg posted:So... what, you want me to hammer to make you feel better? Because generally I agree with your line of logic here: That's fair! But I specifically hopped off iggy before. And I too have been screwed by early hammering, but it does stand it could be a scum thing to do, too. It doesn't drat you but it would make me look at you harder that you mentioned being supportive of an Iggy vote, and didn't put down a vote at any point during the process. I'm just throwing everything out there as it comes to mind.
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My Second Re-Reg posted:So... what, you want me to hammer to make you feel better? Because generally I agree with your line of logic here: Then that means... 
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ok I finished my review of active binus White KnightersHyper Crab Tank posted:Binus would never lie about being town, checks out to me. Hyper Crab Tank posted:I don't have any good reads either at this stage, really. Somehow I'm starting to get a better feel for how binus plays though and this feels like town binus, somehow. Who knows, maybe it's a ruse and he finally decided to flip the script and cash in, but right now I'm not seeing it. Hyper Crab Tank posted:Binus likes to vote weak cases just to see who reacts to them, or so he told me in Masons. I think that's why he's voting you. That might be why he pushed Re-reg too, but that's not the vibe I get for some reason. I don't know, this is gut stuff and I'm notoriously bad at that, especially D1, but this is vaguely pattern matching what binus did as town the last few games I saw him. HCT was pushing it super early on, and came back to it more than once. But he did mention this anecdote later about binus explaining some of his rationale for once in a masonry they had. That makes me think it could possibly be legit. HCT could just be high on this idea of actually being able to understand binus. Monathin posted:binus I am leaning town on you rn but I do need you to at least try and explain your reads bud This from Monathin seems innocuous enough Windward also made a few posts here and there that were more questioning around binus, non-conclusive. Cloacamazing! posted:So, current thoughts: binus seems like town binus to me so far, including the "catching votes for refusing to explain stuff" part. Also he did say he was town. Bonus knee-jerk points for also townreading me, but I think this can be covered by Cloaca's "always posts hella scummy as town" cred so far These two are the ones I'm worried about : My Second Re-Reg posted:I dunno who scum yet but this Lotus Aura posted:Same Lotus more so than MSRR. (can confirm that MSRR's reluctance to plop down a vote is quite legit btw. Not that he can't still do the same thing as scum of course, but he has definitely done it as town) I'm hearing out the Illusionis case too, just feeling a bit hesitant there since I was just masons with him in Cookfia and he did a pretty great job even while being a bit more quiet in thread. ##vote Lotus
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don't expect any more effortposts today btw cause I gotta go to work soon, but I'll keep an eye out if I gotta move my vote
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Monathin posted:I don't think I've ever seen scum self-vote unless they're the last scum and the jig is up. Self-vote pretty much is far more likely a frustrated townie move to me. Eh, I have seen plenty of people do it earlier in the day, but overall you are probably right. BUT... meen would know that and play into it. He's a devious fellow
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Hal Insandenza posted:Eh, I have seen plenty of people do it earlier in the day, but overall you are probably right. I agree Meen would be capable of that yes, lol But I've read his frustrated posts as town otherwise. Not to the point I'd withhold a hammer though if no one else gets up there
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I could switch to Lotus if we have the votes. Lotus is definitely the other person I didn't feel good about on a reread and that pocket of b- does read a little weird now that I look back over at it.
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Bifauxnen posted:I agree Meen would be capable of that yes, lol exactly where I'm at, yea
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We have an hour and a half before deadline now and Meen is the leading wagon If by any chance Meen is town, then I would like him to throw out some reads on the scumteam since he implied that he thinks his wagon is scum motivated, even if his reads are just a gut feeling But if he's scum like I think he is, I guess he's in antispew and probably not gonna answer my question
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I want to take a look at some of my nullreads because there's a high chance someone there is scum whos escaped my notice I'm not sure if I'll have time before deadline, though, so I might as well wait till after we get a flip to analyze spew from
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If Lotus and Illusionis aren't going to get traction I'm gonna withhold my vote until Meen answers until like 30 till deadline, if Meen is still leading by then and hasn't responded I'll switch back over.
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I think I finally get "spew/antispew" from context now but could you explain it just so I can make sure I'm right, it sounds like a fun addition to make to my vocabulary
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Bifauxnen posted:I think I finally get "spew/antispew" from context now but could you explain it just so I can make sure I'm right, it sounds like a fun addition to make to my vocabulary Spew is how scum interacts with other players. They can spew their teammates as scum by having very partnered interactions, or spew others as town by having unpartnered interactions. Antispew is the opposite... Usually happens with scum who are aware they're about to go down, so they'll start fake spewing their partners as town and townies as scum. It's all useful in spew analysis, when you ISO the scum player who's flipped or otherwise confirmed scum, and try to figure out how many of their posts are spew material, versus where they mightve hit a turning point and gone into antispew.
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Shakes the ground in agony the Lord of Lies Once for every drop of venom in his eyes Nothing festers in his heart and nor he cries Their disdain will be the end and you will See me vote, either Meen or Lotus-
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Some scum are really good at hiding their TMI (the info they know on people's alignments) and they don't spew much Others are terrible at hiding it, and I like to call them spew piñatas (I don't think anyone else calls them that but I think it's funny) Piñatas because as soon as you hit them they spew their entire team
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WindwardAway posted:
I could 100% believe this is your first SA scum game, because you're tunneling hard on the very first person who vaguely pipes up, you're thinking that somehow a wanderer + messenger isn't a real role that would leave me in a  +  mood, and echoing Hal rather hard which is pinging me greatly. Hal though, he's correctly determined I am town under much more egregious circumstances; if I had voted him along with saying "it could be Hal", that would absolutely be something else, but there's no way this is an unfamiliarity mistake.I'm interested in the arguments picking up on Illusionis, but I can't say I'd vote there first by my own reads; I'd order it as Hal/you/wolo/monathin/.../Illusionis. wologar is next least credible unfamiliarity mistake, there's timing associations between monathin and you + Hal, whereas Illusionis is just not posting much and somehow thinks the guy who thought he might be able to force scum to supersede the game and therefore leave by jailing them is putting too much thought into an early D1 vote. It's wrong, and really assuming you know what it's normal for a person who comes up with a three person redirector/jail to think should be farcically obviously a fool's errand, but it's not scummy to try applying Occam's Razor first anyway when you haven't got a better starting tool. That said I can see it's not gonna be any of you four so ##vote Illusionis; count me as a spiritual +1 on Lotus too because even though they're not pinging me I see the appeal in the arguments there as well.
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Alright that last meen post was pretty good, my doubts are swirling now
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