TooMuchAbstraction posted:Time to go dump sugar into the other battleships' oil tanks... People are going to notice when all the chocolate producing factories go dry.
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What's a battleship other than a mobile icecream factory?
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Jan 11, 2022 01:37
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Proposed compromise: Bismarck is a he, but only in the context of ship waifu games.
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Jan 11, 2022 02:32
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bewbies posted:
Four bombs, in fact, between several air raids. Plus multiple near misses annihilating the sandbank Tirpitz was perched on for the purpose of stopping the ship from capsizing. And just to give some illustration for those interested, it was the British dropping these bombs on it:  The Tallboy, a 12,000 lb bomb for use against heavily fortified hardpoints (U-boat pens with reinforced concrete roofs measuring 10+ feet thick were a major target of them). A Lancaster heavy bomber carried one, and only one, in a modified bomb bay. Here's a modern day detonation of one in Poland from late 2020, exploding after their defusal efforts failed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZnnj3J4Lw8
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Jan 11, 2022 02:41
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Sidenote the ship I posted, 4 barreled turrets of 20 inch guns each Other note. According to the insane maker it dies almost immediately from having literally no armor or fire control because it sacrifices everything for more dakka. I tried using 20 inch guns on a test ship, I found that it was massively inaccurate and the fire rate was garbage. The inaccurate nature over long distance and slow fire rate makes them hard to use. Up close it absolutely destroys everything though.
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Jan 11, 2022 02:54
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UCS Hellmaker posted:on the scale of big and useless Pro username/post combo TooMuchAbstraction posted:Jimmy4400nav touched on this briefly, but the Italians also had some incredibly daring stunts they pulled. They sent midget subs into Alexandria harbor and set explosives on the hulls of two battleships. Unfortunately, the crews of the subs were all captured, which prevented the Italian military from learning if the attack was successful. Yeah, the special naval forces the Italians had managed some impressive operations. It's also a good example of a drawback of battleships: they can take damage and survive where most other ships would sink, but the work to return them to 100% capable can take a stupidly long time. While the Axis never learned they'd done the battleships significant damage, didn't both ships spend the entire rest of the war in port being repaired, only to be scrapped, still not completely repaired when the war ended?
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Jan 11, 2022 03:09
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UCS Hellmaker posted:Sidenote the ship I posted, 4 barreled turrets of 20 inch guns each You need to try that ship design out in a much more realistic simulator, like Waves of Steel. I think you'll find 6x4 21" guns work just fine on an Iowa chassis.  
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Jan 11, 2022 03:19
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Nebakenezzer posted:Pro username/post combo HMS Queen Elizabeth and HMS Valiant were out of commission for most of a year. But Valiant would go on to support the invasion of Sicily, and Queen Elizabeth would support the reconquest of Indonesia and Burma.
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Jan 11, 2022 03:31
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golden bubble posted:HMS Queen Elizabeth and HMS Valiant were out of commission for most of a year. But Valiant would go on to support the invasion of Sicily, and Queen Elizabeth would support the reconquest of Indonesia and Burma. Valiant ended up being taken out of service in a sillier way. She'd been sent to Sri Lanka to join up with her sister ship and fight the Japanese in the Indian Ocean. There, the RN decides to drydock her for maintenance. The only dock available is a floating drydock. They put her into the dock, which promptly collapses under her and does major damage to her undersides. This could have been repaired, but by this time, Britain was having major shortages of manpower. They chose not to repair her, and instead used her for training.
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Jan 11, 2022 16:29
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Do you have a higher-res version of this pic? For science. "Schlachtschiff"... Man, German language sure doesn't do nice names.
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Pierzak posted:Do you have a higher-res version of this pic? For science. 
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Jan 11, 2022 17:24
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Pierzak posted:"Schlachtschiff"... Man, German language sure doesn't do nice names. Etymology Schlacht (slaughter) "battle" + Schiff "ship" Pretty metal though.
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Jan 11, 2022 17:35
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Canadian grade refit
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Jan 11, 2022 17:43
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Nebakenezzer posted:Canadian grade refit Why, did it catch on fire halfway through?
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Nebakenezzer posted:Canadian grade refit the canadians wish they could manage something like that as successfully
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Jan 11, 2022 18:24
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Does that have a second small rudder ahead of the big rudder? Is that to give them some backup steering if the main rudder gets knocked out?
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Jan 11, 2022 18:47
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Xenoborg posted:Etymology I'm going to call all battleships "slaughterships" now. 
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Jan 11, 2022 18:52
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HisMajestyBOB posted:I'm going to call all battleships "slaughterships" now. I once saw a poorly-translated LOGH fansite call them "Violenceships". This has stuck with me for years.
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Matchup #33: HMS Vanguard (1946, #4 seed) vs Andrea Doria (1915, #29 seed) HMS Vanguard  Belt Armor: 14 inches Deck Armor: 6 inches Main Battery: 8x15 inch guns Speed: 30 kts Vanguard is the final example of four-ish centuries worth of Royal Navy big gun ships. Like most endgame battleships, she was something of a compromise vessel, as she was laid down after it was more or less clear the cowardly aircraft carrier was the new chief of the seas. The Royal Navy tried for decades and various iterations to get its super-battleship built, but in the end, Vanguard was the end of the line. This isn’t to say Vanguard wasn’t a fierce ship in her own right. She’s a fantastic combination of speed, protection, and fire control, and her 15” armament was more than enough to do the job they thought she was being built for. While the venerable old 15” rifle was accurate and reliable, they do leave her moderately undergunned compared to some of her contemporaries. She was renowned for her accuracy at long range, and her guns with boosted charges and great elevation should give her among the longest legs in the tournament Vanguard required a dispensation to participate in the tourney: she wasn’t technically finished for WWII, but we let her in because she’s pretty. Historically, Vanguard lived a life of leisure until being sadly scrapped in the 1950s having never fired a shot in anger. And so ended the line of big gun ships of the line back to (at least) the Mary Rose, iron-hulled steamships dating to HMS Warrior, and all-big gun battleships dating to HMS Dreadnought. Andrea Doria  Belt Armor: 9.8 inches Deck Armor: 5.3 inches Main Battery: 10x13 inch guns Speed: 26 kts Andrea Doria’s story is nearly identical to that of Conte di Cavour (to include the comically comprehensive rebuild) so I’ll leave this paragraph short and just let you go re-read about Conte if you’re interested. Moderately interesting factoid: Andrea Doria lasted in service very nearly as late as Vanguard did, not being scrapped until 1956. The Battle   Vanguard is very pretty, she looks a bit like Bismarck. She opens fire at a range of nearly 30km, the longest we've seen so far.  Andrea Doria looks a whole lot like Conte. Maybe she’ll give a similarly strong performance?  This is Vanguard’s first salvo. This is unnervingly accurate.  Vanguard scores the longest hit in the competition so far, at a range of around 28km. She penetrates Andrea’s deck and starts a fire.  Vanguard scores a number of long-range hits. Unfortunately, Andrea’s relatively thick deck armor and the middling performance of the 15” rounds prevents any serious damage. She hits Andrea no fewer than 21 times before Andrea can even open fire, but 16 of those are doinks off the armor.  Andrea takes a partial penetration right as she FINALLY opens fire.  The first serious hit of the battle, at a range of around 22km. Andrea is punched through twice, bow and stern, by the same salvo.  As we close within 20km, Vanguard’s fire becomes incredibly accurate. While she had trouble punching through Andrea’s thick deck, her much thinner (relatively) belt armor is very vulnerable. Andrea suffers fires and major flooding at her bow.  Andrea plunks Vanguard a few times, but her armor is very much up to the task.  Andrea loses a turret and the fires mount. She’s taken a total of 55 hits at this point, but her vitals are still relatively safe.  Andrea puts a hole just behind Vanguard’s belt and starts a fire. The damage is superfluous.  Andrea’s starboard side has been absolutely obliterated, and her bow is nearly completely flooded. She develops a serious list. The ships are inside 10km now, and Vanguard can hardly miss. Andrea’s gunnery is wild, and what hits she does manage are easily handled by Vanguard’s armor.  The flooding overwhelms Andrea; she rolls over and founders as Vanguard looms in the near distance.  Vanguard’s accuracy at all ranges was outstanding, and she’ll be happy with how well her protection scheme held up; Andrea’s guns are small, but even at close range they were not a serious danger. Vanguard’s main concern must be her big guns’ lack of destructive power at long range…that will put her at a disadvantage even if her long range gunnery is brilliant.
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drat, really contrasts between Bismarck's performance and Vanguard's.
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Jan 11, 2022 19:07
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Nebakenezzer posted:Canadian grade refit I'm au natural, friend 
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Nagato versus Tennessee next, this is one of the first round matches I was psyched for, a competitive matchup between two contemporaneous rivals. Nagato has bigger guns and is justifiably the favorite in seeding but this one could absolutely go either way. Tennessee is an absolute tank.
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I didn't realize Bewbies was picking lightly built bulkheads to model the IJN's shoddy DC practices but even so I picked TN. I agree this is the one to watch!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0M9b8zZtoPQ .
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35% accuracy? Even with the range closing so much, that's a terrifying performance.
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Another slightly uncomfortable execution, although I'll be interested to see Vanguard's incredible gunnery against more of a peer opponent. There could have been one or two spectacular upsets if she'd drawn a heavier foe.
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Jan 11, 2022 20:07
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How long are most of these battles taking in real time?
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ilmucche posted:How long are most of these battles taking in real time? I'd guess anywhere between 1 and maybe 4 hours for the REALLY long ones. I use a lot of time acceleration. There is typically a fair amount of long range inaccurate shooting and carefully circling one another that probably doesn't come through in the battle rollups, as it is kind of boring.
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bewbies posted:I'd guess anywhere between 1 and maybe 4 hours for the REALLY long ones. I use a lot of time acceleration. So like real ship to ship combat or baseball
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I have had trouble with my Treaty cruisers being 100% cowards and just running away from each other or shooting at really long range. Takes hours. I had a Kirov empty her magazines completely at a Northampton, which was rendered blind, crippled, and unable to fight back but still wouldn't sink. The AI needs some work. You also can't model CA armor lighter than 4" belts, or CL guns larger than 7", so you can't even build a correct Treaty CA.
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Combat in general. Long periods of boredom punctuated by moments of sheer terror.
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I wish you could just keep the time acceleration at 10 or 30. It forces you to drop to 2 or 5 sometimes, and it just drags.
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Jan 11, 2022 23:58
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RTW does exactly the same thing. the whole thing is just a less groggy RTW with actual graphics.
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HisMajestyBOB posted:I'm going to call all battleships "slaughterships" now.
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Foxfire_ posted:I choose to interpret BB as "battleboat" It's funnier the other way, when you call battleship cannons "BB guns".
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It is a goddamn tragedy we didn't keep Vanguard as a museum ship.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:RTW does exactly the same thing. the whole thing is just a less groggy RTW with actual graphics. 'real' time in RTW is 10x or more in UA:D. AFAIK it does combat in 30 second ticks.
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Xenoborg posted:Etymology "Schlacht" is "battle." It does derive from the word for slaughter* but they're not actually interchangeable.  *"Schlachten" or "Schlachterei"
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Both slaughter and battle are correct translations of the word schlacht. I wouldn't be surprised if slaughter and schlacht came from the same root word.
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I'm really impressed the game has enough customization options to give some really close approximations of these battle wagons, and the AI seems to make smart (or at least not boneheaded) decisions
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