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Kuiperdolin posted:Aw, I love to level often. Seventy two times isn't enough for you? e: Just checked. Vanilla BG2 for a fighter was 12 levels; for a Druid it was 6 levels. coffeetable fucked around with this message at 08:01 on Apr 20, 2014 |
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rope kid posted:Yep. So how fast do you hit the level cap anyway?
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coffeetable posted:Seventy two times isn't enough for you? Well the Bee Gees had that thing when different classes had different out-of-sync XP levels, which was terrible for a lot of reasons but meant that after each big fight/quest one of your little guys levelled, and generally not all of them at once. Frequent small rewards instead of infrequent big chores.
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Apr 20, 2014 10:48
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SunAndSpring posted:So how fast do you hit the level cap anyway? If you make a normal playthrough you won't hit the cap. from the official forum: ropekid posted:On a normal non-completionist playthrough, the characters will not reach 12th level. We need to have a level cap because we can only make so much content (spells, talents, abilities, etc.) for all of the classes. You can hit second level relatively quickly, but the overall leveling rate should feel somewhere between BG and IWD -- sort of to be expected since our cap is between the BG/IWD caps.
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Apr 20, 2014 11:34
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prometheus12345 posted:If you make a normal playthrough you won't hit the cap. from the official forum: Huh. What if you do literally all the content available to you in one playthrough? Also was there any mention of a New Game+ mode?
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Apr 20, 2014 14:33
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VanSandman posted:Huh. What if you do literally all the content available to you in one playthrough? Also was there any mention of a New Game+ mode? I don't think they've talked about one... I guess stopping you from reaching the cap means that they don't need to devise any new abilities for the expansion. If you can't get all of them without cheating/soloing in the base game, it guarentees there'll be new abilities for the expansion without requiring extra development.
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I was thinking about it and I can't remember if the most important question has been asked. Will there be console commands?
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Brainamp posted:I was thinking about it and I can't remember if the most important question has been asked. Good question; I basically can't bear to start a new game of Dragon Age Origins without abusing a few console commands to make the start faster.
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Apr 20, 2014 15:38
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Since modding support is intended, I can't imagine they'd bother disabling the dev console.
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Apr 20, 2014 15:59
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AFAIR they won't release the dev tools and won't explicitly support modding (because that takes a lot of work), but will probably publish their file formats and other info.
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Apr 20, 2014 16:55
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VanSandman posted:Huh. What if you do literally all the content available to you in one playthrough? Also was there any mention of a New Game+ mode? They did make mention that XP per party member would scale with the inverse of party size, so if you're playing with a party of three or something you'll likely hit the cap before the game is over.
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There's a super sized optional dungeon. I'm sure level capping in there will be not just possible but expected and required for completion. The more interesting question is: will there be any value to pursuing XP beyond the level cap? Or does it just become pointless to care about it after reaching that point?
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I think the post DnD3e/NWN fixation on 'rushing to the end' is a bad way to think about design and gameplay. Its better to worry about each level of play being fun by itself. That makes a curve of distinct (uh oh) 'feelings' of play that will make the game more involved and interesting over time. Otherwise you get the lovely sense that you are just "playing an incomplete character" through most of the game.
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I think that's the plan. Indeed, Ropkid has often told that AD&D games' peak is early-/mid-tenth levels but the main reason for the level cap around that spot seems to be just for the resource management as he mentioned. At least, one level Wizard won't end up with the ability of just copying spells-Likewise,... In any case, I think it's a sharp move for them to have begun working on the DLC (I'd like to call it as an extension), considering their bitter experience with Heart of Winter (Trials of the luremaster), the fact that Ropekid confessed the content (In-party NPCs and wild areas) might end up short and the reputation of Dragonfall. May still need to see how Broken Age turns out but, generally speaking, quite many people seem to be enjoying EA projects with solid gameplays with some updates, too. It feels like SaaS for single player games but, come to think about it, it's also how PnP sessions/campaigns work.
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Low level campaigns are usually the best, each level up feels actually matters and the stakes still feel quite real and don't get bogged down in power levels.quote:the reputation of Dragonfall I've played Dragonfall and loved it but never really paid attention to any press around it. What was so bad about its reputation?
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FRINGE posted:I think the post DnD3e/NWN fixation on 'rushing to the end' is a bad way to think about design and gameplay. I do think it helps to start characters off with enough to do. Play a level 1 warlock in NWN2 and you're just pushing "eldritch blast" all day, and it doesn't get much better until you have a whole lot of invocations. I understand the need to not introduce too many mechanics, abilities, etc all at once, but hopefully you don't have to wait until level 10 to really play tactically in P:E.
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Well, witnessed an interesting talk about the Vailian culture in PoE on 4chan.   So actually, you can't have black people in renaissance-style clothing because that's racist and says black people are worthless and have never amounted to anything, and also defames the accomplishments of the Aryan race because black people are worthless and have never amounted to anything. So if you could just make every black person look like the cast of Zulu, that would be great, Sawyer. I mean, it would please these
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You may as well post the video of 2girls 1cup if you're going to be pointing out silly internet things - especially random reddit/4chan/gamefaq/youtube/foxnews.com comments that are not directly in a give or take with the dev themselves. I mean, I get that it's dumb and stuff, but let's not crap the thread up with David Gaider shop talk, yeah? Drifter fucked around with this message at 01:24 on Apr 22, 2014 |
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SunAndSpring posted:4chan. I think I found the problem with your post
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Drifter posted:You may as well post the video of 2girls 1cup if you're going to be pointing out silly internet things - especially random reddit/4chan/gamefaq/youtube/foxnews.com comments that are not directly in a give or take with the dev themselves. I was just surprised by the reaction to it. I mean, I can go post Baldur's Gate 2 and not have someone give me a multi-paragraph post on how Valygar wearing medieval Europe clothes somehow destroys the culture of Africa and Europe at the same time. The gently caress did PoE do?
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SunAndSpring posted:I was just surprised by the reaction to it. I mean, I can go post Baldur's Gate 2 and not have someone give me a multi-paragraph post on how Valygar wearing medieval Europe clothes somehow destroys the culture of Africa and Europe at the same time. The gently caress did PoE do? How are you surprised by comments in 4chan? You either have people trolling to shock people like you or you have racisty people who just don't like people who aren't their color.
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Drifter posted:How are you surprised by comments in 4chan? You either have people trolling to shock people like you or you have racisty people who just don't like people who aren't their color. I'm not surprised by the racism itself. It's what the racism is being directed towards. cRPG threads there go pretty well, usually. You'll never see people try to start this poo poo about the Redguards in Morrowind, for example. I figured they'd be happy to talk about something like PoE, which is a deliberate throwback to the Infinity Engine games. But nope, this poo poo happens every loving time.
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SunAndSpring posted:The gently caress did PoE do? I think its because of the effort by the developers for the game to not be sexist/to be actually interesting and break conventions and poo poo. Naturally shitheads in 4chan would take offense to that, they like masturbation fantasies like the Mass Effects so they can talk about their waifus or whatever.
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frajaq posted:I think its because of the effort by the developers for the game to not be sexist/to be actually interesting and break conventions and poo poo. Naturally shitheads in 4chan would take offense to that, they like masturbation fantasies like the Mass Effects so they can talk about their waifus or whatever. They loving hate romances in game, and accordingly, Bioware RPGs. Like, gently caress, Fallout: New Vegas got praised for having a few well-written gay characters there. What the hell happened within 3 years that made retards think, "Wow, this J.E. Sawyer guy is going to make the black characters the master race and make everyone a gay transgender otherkin, that loving white guilt SJW."
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SunAndSpring posted:They loving hate romances in game, and accordingly, Bioware RPGs. Like, gently caress, Fallout: New Vegas got praised for having a few well-written gay characters there. What the hell happened within 3 years that made retards think, "Wow, this J.E. Sawyer guy is going to make the black characters the master race and make everyone a gay transgender otherkin, that loving white guilt SJW." Those people have always been everywhere. Not just for games, but movies and comics and TV shows too. They are never going to be happy because the slightest suggestion that non-whites or women are humans will set them off. It's not just 4chan either. I think the RPG Codex forums have this issue as well.
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SunAndSpring posted:They loving hate romances in game, and accordingly, Bioware RPGs. Like, gently caress, Fallout: New Vegas got praised for having a few well-written gay characters there. What the hell happened within 3 years that made retards think, "Wow, this J.E. Sawyer guy is going to make the black characters the master race and make everyone a gay transgender otherkin, that loving white guilt SJW."
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Yeah., that was my point. It's nothing new. Especially from those places. No reason to be worked up about some random people arguing amongst themselves about why black people are worse than women. Especially in the context of videogames.
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I have to admit, I kind of sympathize with that last post but mostly because I'd like to see some fantasy not based on Europe. Plus portraying what an African kingdom going through the Renaissance would look like would be cool and creative.
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Man Whore posted:I have to admit, I kind of sympathize with that last post but mostly because I'd like to see some fantasy not based on Europe. Plus portraying what an African kingdom going through the Renaissance would look like would be cool and creative. Yeah, let's completely disregard 800 years of the Moors. but, you're also right. I'd love to see less relatively standard European fantasy and more Indian/Chinese/Egypt African/notEgyptian African fantasy. Drifter fucked around with this message at 03:24 on Apr 22, 2014 |
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People who want some African-flavored sword & sorcery should read Imaro by Charles Saunders. Think "African Conan".
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SunAndSpring posted:Well, witnessed an interesting talk about the Vailian culture in PoE on 4chan. I love how hateful braindead 'gamers' somehow always manage to tie anything they don't like back to Anita Sarkeesian
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e: I have to go now. My planet needs me.
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^^^ - please don't talk about her here. You're going to have people disagree with you and they're going to respond, and others or you will respond to them and it will continue to be an echo chamber going back and forth. Please edit out whether you like her or not, her usefulness et cetera from your post.Prokhor Zakharov posted:I love how hateful braindead 'gamers' somehow always manage to tie anything they don't like back to Anita Sarkeesian She's probably one of the most well known personalities tied to videogames this zeitgeist. Not a big deal to just have her name on pull for standard complaints. THANKS OBAMA! Drifter fucked around with this message at 03:41 on Apr 22, 2014 |
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Drifter posted:^^^ - please don't talk about her here. You're going to have people disagree with you and they're going to respond, and others or you will respond to them and it will continue to be an echo chamber going back and forth. Please edit out whether you like her or not, her usefulness et cetera from your post. You're absolutely right. I was going to comment on it, but there's zero chance it wouldn't be misconstrued. Heed the above advice.
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SunAndSpring posted:They loving hate romances in game, and accordingly, Bioware RPGs. Like, gently caress, Fallout: New Vegas got praised for having a few well-written gay characters there. What the hell happened within 3 years that made retards think, "Wow, this J.E. Sawyer guy is going to make the black characters the master race and make everyone a gay transgender otherkin, that loving white guilt SJW." It's just with-us-or-against-us bullshit, rallied around "gamer culture". It's the same mentality that can put gay rights activists and Islamic extremists in the same political category. JE Sawyer is a known deviant when it comes to video games. He'll probably make make you play a black transexual bard as the only character choice.
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None of the human ethnic groups in PoE have clothing that maps to their equivalent on Earth. Aedyrans are essentially Anglo-Saxons and their outfits are Greek-inspired. Ixamitl are Mesoamerican and their outfits are Bulgarian- and Ethopian-inspired. Dyrwoodans have fantasy clothing that doesn't really map to any specific culture.
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rope kid posted:Dyrwoodans have fantasy clothing that doesn't really map to any specific culture. Tropical Inuit.
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Also, unsurprisingly, the pictured OP is wrong. Vailians aren't "the most civilized" or "advanced" "race". Most Vailians are Calbandra/Ocean Folk (black-skinned), but not all are. Vailians are the masters of seafaring and trade and have developed a number of ingenious inventions, but Defiance Bay (in the Dyrwood) is the heart of animancy study (the Vailian Republics are close allies and potential competitors). Dyrwoodans developed the Godhammer, which is the most advanced explosive ever known (though some suspect the inventors were divinely-inspired). The philosophers of Ixamitl are generally considered to be the wisest around and have the longest philosophical tradition. And despite all of those cultures' achievements, the Glanfathans still outpaced them all in astronomy. Glanfathan astronomy (which some believe was developed even earlier by their predecessors, the Engwithans) is what allowed the Vailians to develop the Iroccian calendar.
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The people making stupid racist comments on 4chan have no idea what they're talking about? Surely you jest!
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Republican Vampire posted:The people making stupid racist comments on 4chan have no idea what they're talking about? Surely you jest! Well, this is new lore, so I guess they wouldn't have known if they cared to look for info on this game before they started putting on the Reich.
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