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The humanitarian situation inside Germany is getting pretty dire. After gas price increases of up to 30%, some restaurants are now no longer serving french fries due to lack of sunflower oil. Please pray for the German people https://twitter.com/WDRaktuell/status/1508758447491272718?t=wAoDp9rg6-ytq-W9qYxV6A&s=19
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Apr 1, 2022 08:25
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Rust Martialis posted:Comment? Anyone understand this? There were some suspicions after Russia had a relatively quick and easy time capturing Kherson that they had some inside help in the matter. I think part of Putin's strategy, what little that he had, was that there would be enough compromised people high in Ukraine's military they could walk in, but as we've seen most of the Ukrainians just took the money and told the Russians to go gently caress themselves. These two generals were the ones dumb enough to go along with the next part of the plan.
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Apr 1, 2022 08:29
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Any chance that the UA choppers had a way to fool the Russian IFF? Maybe something salvaged from all the destroyed and captured systems?
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Apr 1, 2022 08:33
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mobby_6kl posted:Holy poo poo that's nuts if they did it with helicopters. Ukraine has been pretty measured in trumpeting about such successes officially - both Berdyansk harbor and Belgorod missile strike were confirmed like 12 hours after, not immediately. Maybe letting social media do its thing and forcing Russia to say some poo poo first is a strategy
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Apr 1, 2022 08:33
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GABA ghoul posted:The humanitarian situation inside Germany is getting pretty dire. After gas price increases of up to 30%, some restaurants are now no longer serving french fries due to lack of sunflower oil. Please pray for the German people I was banking on an April fools joke, but then I saw the date. Maybe Ukraine can facilitate a Panzers for Oil program to help Germany?
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Apr 1, 2022 08:34
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SirTagz posted:Any chance that the UA choppers had a way to fool the Russian IFF? Maybe something salvaged from all the destroyed and captured systems? The most likely way they fooled the IFF system was by flying about 10 feet off the ground the whole way in and out
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Apr 1, 2022 08:34
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GABA ghoul posted:The humanitarian situation inside Germany is getting pretty dire. After gas price increases of up to 30%, some restaurants are now no longer serving french fries due to lack of sunflower oil. Please pray for the German people If Germany starts eating healthier food as a consequence of the invasion, that's another slam-dunk by 5d chessmaster Vlad.
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mobby_6kl posted:The choppers and crew are irreplaceable, but I'd assume russia can get fuel supplies from elsewhere. But you might be right and it bought them some time without airplanes, I obviously don't have a clear picture of what's happening there and if that was a major bottleneck for them. The fuel itself only matters here and now, Russia has plenty of fuel. But the infrastructure is gone and in the short term irreplaceable. SirTagz posted:Any chance that the UA choppers had a way to fool the Russian IFF? Maybe something salvaged from all the destroyed and captured systems? Or western tech.
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Apr 1, 2022 08:55
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https://twitter.com/JulianRoepcke/status/1509797087109599258
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Apr 1, 2022 08:57
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Trump posted:The fuel itself only matters here and now, Russia has plenty of fuel. But the infrastructure is gone and in the short term irreplaceable. Russia had better hope that all the components and materials and expertise necessary to rebuild an oil refinery are available domestically...
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Apr 1, 2022 08:59
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GABA ghoul posted:The humanitarian situation inside Germany is getting pretty dire. After gas price increases of up to 30%, some restaurants are now no longer serving french fries due to lack of sunflower oil. Please pray for the German people Isn't it mostly Peanut Oil that is used for deep frying? (Higher smokepoint)
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Apr 1, 2022 09:00
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fatherboxx posted:Ukraine has been pretty measured in trumpeting about such successes officially - both Berdyansk harbor and Belgorod missile strike were confirmed like 12 hours after, not immediately. You know I just woke up and assumed this was footage for the strike from a few days ago. And it's an entirely new one lol. Well doesn't mean they didn't do it but let's see, maybe they just legit didn't have advance information due to opsec reasons
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Apr 1, 2022 09:02
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This doesn't make any sense though. An oil depot is strategically very important. If you want to do a false flag, why not attack a civilian target?
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Mano posted:Isn't it mostly Peanut Oil that is used for deep frying? (Higher smokepoint) Germany is obviously manufacturing consent for their own invasion of Urkaine so that they can seize the sunflower fields.
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Apr 1, 2022 09:03
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Someone's got a lot of extra dimensions in this chess game they're playing with this.
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Apr 1, 2022 09:03
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If, and it's a big if, this was a false flag, this is the reason https://twitter.com/Schmorkol/status/1509800094652059653
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Apr 1, 2022 09:03
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Charlz Guybon posted:This doesn't make any sense though. An oil depot is strategically very important. Don't trust the reports that the place was attacked by helicopters. Something blew up, someone saw helicopters. Doesn't have to be any causal relationship between those. Rumours take off easily during war time. Until there is a credible confirmation of an attack, it's useless to speculate about it.
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Apr 1, 2022 09:08
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I mean as many people have mentioned an oil depot for a false flag attack sort of sucks as well it's a pretty legit military target. Particular if it is aviation fuel. Also it just adds to the whole Russia military being pretty pathetic thing which pretty sure Putin would really hate. Hard to tell what actually is happening, wait... is the Ukrainian army gaslighting Putin? If so, like loving bravo. dr_rat fucked around with this message at 09:11 on Apr 1, 2022 |
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Apr 1, 2022 09:09
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Someone lighting a cigarette next to a 5000000 litre petrol tank is not a false flag, it's just normal.
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Apr 1, 2022 09:11
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GABA ghoul posted:The humanitarian situation inside Germany is getting pretty dire. After gas price increases of up to 30%, some restaurants are now no longer serving french fries due to lack of sunflower oil. Please pray for the German people Oh boy, if that happens here in Belgium riots are gonna break out.
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Apr 1, 2022 09:13
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Charlz Guybon posted:If, and it's a big if, this was a false flag, this is the reason That sounds ridiculously plausible. Next they should do a false flag on the Kremlin. Putin can't find out their corruption if he is dead. But I also like the idea of a pseudo false flag, where they make Putin believe that his own army did such a stupid action making him fire them all. cant cook creole bream fucked around with this message at 09:17 on Apr 1, 2022 |
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Apr 1, 2022 09:14
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Nenonen posted:Don't trust the reports that the place was attacked by helicopters. Something blew up, someone saw helicopters. Doesn't have to be any causal relationship between those. Rumours take off easily during war time. Until there is a credible confirmation of an attack, it's useless to speculate about it. You can see the helicopters shooting the missiles in the videos. Not just one video either.
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Apr 1, 2022 09:15
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That poo poo is still burning apparently.... https://twitter.com/tinso_ww/status/1509805256670068736?s=20&t=c60rE5QD79n_CgM3IqhFhg
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Apr 1, 2022 09:17
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Nenonen posted:Don't trust the reports that the place was attacked by helicopters. Something blew up, someone saw helicopters. Doesn't have to be any causal relationship between those. Rumours take off easily during war time. Until there is a credible confirmation of an attack, it's useless to speculate about it. There's literally a video of choppers launching missiles and an explosion where they impact.
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Apr 1, 2022 09:17
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Charlz Guybon posted:You can see the helicopters shooting the missiles in the videos. Not just one video either. But do we know the source? How do you know that it's in Belgorod? There's so much to be skeptical of here.
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Apr 1, 2022 09:20
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Nenonen posted:But do we know the source? How do you know that it's in Belgorod? There's so much to be skeptical of here. True, could be footage from ArmA 4
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Apr 1, 2022 09:24
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Nenonen posted:Don't trust the reports that the place was attacked by helicopters. Something blew up, someone saw helicopters. Doesn't have to be any causal relationship between those. Rumours take off easily during war time. Until there is a credible confirmation of an attack, it's useless to speculate about it. someone apparently went to the effort to generate multiple videos of helicopters (or some other slow flying, low altitude aircraft) firing rockets at the depot from multiple angles at similar low-light levels then they were thorough enough to make additional fake videos of helicopters leaving the area while the fire burns in the background. If that is all faked then it is vastly more effort than has been put into any of Russia's other false flag attempts by several orders of magnitude. Nenonen posted:Don't trust the reports that the place was attacked by helicopters. Something blew up, someone saw helicopters. Doesn't have to be any causal relationship between those. Rumours take off easily during war time. Until there is a credible confirmation of an attack, it's useless to speculate about it. specifics are maybe unclear, but this is better documented so far than like 99% of stuff that has happened in this war. Herstory Begins Now fucked around with this message at 09:28 on Apr 1, 2022 |
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Nenonen posted:But do we know the source? How do you know that it's in Belgorod? There's so much to be skeptical of here. What if this entire war is just a virus running on my computer, feeding me AI-generated text and deepfake videos?
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Apr 1, 2022 09:24
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There's a small Ukrainian Hind-D unit who had a brilliant idea but didn't want to tell High Command because High Command would have said "No, it's too dangerous". Coming in two years: A Top Gun sequel where Tom Cruise leads a unconventional Ukrainian helicopter unit based on The Doolittle Raid. One of them has a nose art on it of Paddington Bear. In a few weeks we find out this goads Putin into committing a war deciding mistake and losing 4 carriers.
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Apr 1, 2022 09:29
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Nenonen posted:But do we know the source? How do you know that it's in Belgorod? There's so much to be skeptical of here. It's right here: https://goo.gl/maps/s7pe8Hk2KULwLGuG7 Looks at the red roofs in the tweet quote below, you'll see them 250m to the south of the tanks on the map. Young Freud posted:That poo poo is still burning apparently....
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Apr 1, 2022 09:29
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Could be as simple as UA forces having a lot of operational freedom and not giving away their positions to report on their every move. In that case we will get a confirmation eventually. Though a strike over the border of Russia seems a bit too significant for this explanation
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Nenonen posted:But do we know the source? How do you know that it's in Belgorod? There's so much to be skeptical of here. There are multiple videos from multiple angles, with quite a few showing helicopters firing rockets at the fuel depot. I think you are being over sceptical here. e:f;b
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Apr 1, 2022 09:32
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A huge russian fuel depot 15 miles across the border from one of the single hottest parts of the conflict getting rocketed is just about the least improbable thing that has happened in this entire conflict.
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Apr 1, 2022 09:33
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Considering the PR value of striking inside Russia and taking the fight to them, I'm surprised it hasn't happened before if it's that easy.
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Apr 1, 2022 09:34
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acidx posted:Considering the PR value of striking inside Russia and taking the fight to them, I'm surprised it hasn't happened before if it's that easy. I think there were a few potshots at some military targets (one or two) in proper Russian territory since the beginning of the war. Possibly in Belgorod too, though I'm far less certain of my memory to bet on that.
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A propos of PR and public sentiment in Russia, this thread stood out a bit. Reposting the retweet for credibility, as Max Seddon usually is good on info: https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1509788178420486154
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acidx posted:Considering the PR value of striking inside Russia and taking the fight to them, I'm surprised it hasn't happened before if it's that easy. I mean Russia was meant to have a shitload of very decent AA systems, so it should of been less easy and more suicidal. The fact that yet another part of the Russian military has turned out to be a bit garbage is a pleasant surprise, but a big question is, did the helicopter pilots know this before they started the attack, and if so how?
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