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my guys made 666 units of something this morning. hail satan
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Willfrey posted:Big IT and CEO shakeup happened, now they want to install really invasive spyware on my phone. So what/who did the previous CEO get caught texting?
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Jul 12, 2019 15:46
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Willfrey posted:I work in a factory setting. I was given a company phone. I have a very specialized role and there are systems that gently caress up and can stop production unless I am able to either hotspot-remote in or get called in (I live <10 min away). 10+ minutes of downtime can be thousands of dollars lost. I don't mind, it is what I signed up for, the benefit is no more mandatory overtime and basically I make my own schedule. From my experience, unless you got something clear and in writing saying that you could take your number back, you're out of luck. We've fought with this at my place. What invasive spyware are they trying to install?
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Jul 12, 2019 15:50
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We where forced to install the big new release of our POS/EDI software earlier this week. (every release is time limited, to force you into updating). They have introduced bugs into just about every day to day function. Its like they did no testing at all. I have spent most of my week collecting bug reports from our staff, seeing if I can replicate and then submitting to the software company.
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Jul 12, 2019 15:54
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I have had my cell number for my entire adult life. Reimburse me? Sure. Pay for my phone hardware? Fine. Take over my number? Not a loving chance. I have been lucky enough to not have to carry two phones or deal with this nonsense for the most part.
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Jul 12, 2019 15:57
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Last job. The company gave out smartphones to all employees. I've seen people who were with the company for like 10-20 years and when they left. Almost all of them requested they take over the phone number the company gave them for their mobile cell. The company was chill about it and helped.
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Jul 12, 2019 16:02
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I just carry two, I like the separation. Carrying two isn't much of a bother to me.
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Jul 12, 2019 16:05
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Finally I was told by HR on Thursday morning that the company wants to lay me off. So I just told HR to bring me an official document of lay off with company stamp (registered in the national system) and sign by CEO, and that I'll decide what to do from then on. I unleashed hell, just like that. To keep it short, the company is already breaking various labor laws by asking me to leave, and they know that. That's why it was all being verbally relayed by HR. If I do leave without any documents then the company can declare to the government's employment division that I left of my own will, and I'll have no evidence to support otherwise. Another fun fact is lay off notification has no power in Korea as the employee can ignore it. The only exception is when the company goes bankrupt or can prove that it is financially struggling and that laying off employees is the only option. Oh and they offered me 2 months severance fee, told them to shove it in their rear end since I built everything responsible for company's current revenue. They came back after 3 hours with new offer (only 4 months)  , but it means nothing without stamp and sign so whatever.
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Jul 12, 2019 16:11
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I never had a cellphone until work provided one. I've had it for 14 years now with the same number. Pretty much everyone in our area has Verizon, and so do we. We commonly do what Verizon calls "Assumption of Liability" where we take over new employee's Verizon accounts and move it into our own. When they leave, they take it back out with them. Recently though we have been just giving cellphone stipends instead. Our company will make arrangements for employees to take the number if they want when they leave, depending on the circumstances...
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Jul 12, 2019 16:16
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AlternateAccount posted:From my experience, unless you got something clear and in writing saying that you could take your number back, you're out of luck. We've fought with this at my place. Not sure yet. IT has tried to call me all week and I've not answered. I took all my apps/pics off my phone last night. duz posted:So what/who did the previous CEO get caught texting? There were 3 owners that merged to form this company. The two good ones have recently retired & sold out and are no longer around to reign the 3rd one in. I would probably not care about it so much except that people much higher up are really sketched out about this, and upset about their concerns being ignored. It really bums me out because I thought I had found the perfect job in a beautiful part of the country with low cost of living etc etc... now with the new regime I am having serious doubts
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Jul 12, 2019 16:32
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Willfrey posted:Not sure yet. IT has tried to call me all week and I've not answered. I took all my apps/pics off my phone last night. The phone number and the phone itself technically aren't linked. Do they pay the bill directly or do you get a stipend for it? Also what name is on the bill? At my office we broke it down into 3 categories. Company bought phone - Like 80% of our employees have a work issued phone. I can do whatever I want to these devices, users don't get to complain. Location tracking, dna sampling, prostate exam, we do it all. Company gives stipend for personal phone - Our sales team and GM/VP types do this. I have to request approval by the users before I do anything with their phones. We don't location track or do the prostate exam stuff to these phones. Personal phone without a stipend - Doesn't exist in my universe.
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Jul 12, 2019 17:10
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22 Eargesplitten posted:Not pissing me off: initial recruiter call for a $85k position with a better commute, sounds like I would be a good fit. Follow-up: the company wants a phone screen. They actually wanted one this afternoon but I wasn’t able to make it work on 1.5 hours notice. So hopefully Monday or Tuesday I can get a screen for what I just calculated would be a roughly 50% raise! 22 Eargesplitten fucked around with this message at 22:55 on Jul 12, 2019 |
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Jul 12, 2019 17:24
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Rocked that interview. On to round 3, a "technical assessment". This place doesn't do bullshit whiteboard coding stuff. I'm really pleased with how organized and deliberate they are and how everything is based on ACTUAL DATA! That's so rare and it's so refreshing. She mentioned how their performance reviews are actually based on documented goals and actual measurable things and I think my behavior analyst girlfriend is still swooning. They're also a fully remote company, which is a requirement I have this time around. I'm sick of being the outsider when there are only a few remotes around. This also means no regular travel anymore, they just invite you to a week-long company get-together in the summer and the Christmas party in Brooklyn....but neither are mandatory if you can't make it. Assuming I rock this thing next (which I probably should), there's just one more group interview with some of the team I'd be joining after that. They seem to really want things to move fast (first round interview was only the day before yesterday), which is fine by me....I might still get an offer in time for my trip to Nashville! Maybe not to line up my notice so my last day coincides with coming home, but at least I'd be able to leave my lovely macbook and corporate card there so I don't have to ship things later. The only "downside" is this one I think my salary would stay pretty much level, whereas a lot of the SF-based places would mean considerably more money, but meh. While an extra 20 grand would always be nice, I'm also quite comfortable where I am now.
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Jul 12, 2019 17:28
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Our phone rules are kinda simple. You get a voice sim with a minimal data package and a company phone with MDM. You don’t want the phone? Bring your own but if you want to check corp email, you get enrolled by office365 mdm. Since dualsim phones are kinda ubiquitous nowadays, we have lots of people(me included) who skips the double phones for using a personal sim and a company sim on single unit. Even if corp offered me to pay for my personal sim I would decline as I neither want poo poo on my phone nor I don’t want to lose my number.
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Jul 12, 2019 17:44
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07:30-15:30 here. Not too shabby.
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Jul 12, 2019 17:54
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Approximately this: 7:00-7:30 9:30-11:30 14:00-17:30 21:00-21:30 
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Jul 12, 2019 21:35
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Aesis posted:Finally I was told by HR on Thursday morning that the company wants to lay me off. So I just told HR to bring me an official document of lay off with company stamp (registered in the national system) and sign by CEO, and that I'll decide what to do from then on. I unleashed hell, just like that. I think 4 months is pretty generous, not sure what the employment situation is for your field in the ROK but that would be a decent chunk of change for having to find a new job in the US considering the circumstances (which still seem like bullshit to me). It might be worth taking the deal and still talking to an employment lawyer, since even if they offered you a severance that you accepted, they may still be liable for additional fees or penalties if there is a judgment entered against them. Don't take my word for it though, regardless of what you decide still make an appointment with a lawyer specializing in labor law, do your homework beforehand (document, document, document, everything, no matter how tangential, and review the records of litigation for every lawyer/firm you look at), and start looking for a new position ASAP no matter what.
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Jul 12, 2019 22:55
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The other director had a baby this week and on Wednesday I asked our boss if he wanted me to get started doing weekly task X that other guy normally does. Boss said no, and elaborated that he specifically did not want me doing it so I shrugged it right out of my head until on my way out the door today. I noticed task X hadn't been done and it was going to IMPACT PRODUCTION so I asked my boss who was doing task X and when can we expect it done and he does a spit take and says, 'You haven't done that yet??'
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Jul 12, 2019 23:48
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Edit: I was actually a dumb and shouldn't have opened my mouth.
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Jul 13, 2019 03:24
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I wouldn't call getting rid of someone after they get three harassment complaints morally wrong whether it's legal or not But trying to blackmail them into giving you money for making people afraid to come into the office sure is Take your severance and whatever you're legally entitled to and leave already dude
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Jul 13, 2019 03:44
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The Iron Rose posted:I wouldn't call getting rid of someone after they get three harassment complaints morally wrong whether it's legal or not You're actually right. I'm going to shut up and swallow my foot already. Seeing it Put bluntly like that, I think I may have Thanks.
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Jul 13, 2019 04:09
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Keep in mind that the first post started with one of those poor harrassed people having dumped water on his chair before he got in to work. Doesn't seem to be the behavior of innocent people.
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Jul 13, 2019 04:24
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Khisanth Magus posted:Keep in mind that the first post started with one of those poor harrassed people having dumped water on his chair before he got in to work. Doesn't seem to be the behavior of innocent people.  I wonder what she was wearing too
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Jul 13, 2019 04:26
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I'm going to have the biggest blue balls for a while because I'm never going to be able to hear the other point of view in this saga.
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Jul 13, 2019 05:06
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The Iron Rose posted:
Like, I get that you’ve faced a lot of harassment in the workplace, but I feel like that’s coloring your perspective to the point where you’re all but saying that adults can’t be cliquey and lovely and try to get people fired. Who knows, maybe he farts a bunch or doesn’t shower or something that he’s not mentioning, doesn’t mean that he’s not getting railroaded by the in crowd. E: I can’t figure out how to make that not sound dismissive towards what you’ve gone through so please know I’m not trying to dismiss it and that I might be able to phrase it better if I wasn’t mentally dead right now. 22 Eargesplitten fucked around with this message at 06:32 on Jul 13, 2019 |
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Jul 13, 2019 05:34
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The Iron Rose posted:I wouldn't call getting rid of someone after they get three harassment complaints morally wrong whether it's legal or not Eh, ‘false harassment claims’. But whatever, people can make complaints and I’m fine with that, but that was used as an attempt to get rid of me, and it failed. So now they’re just telling me to leave, saying they don’t think they can work me in the long term.Either way I’m not even considering about stepping out until I get official request with documents stamped and signed, because who knows? It’s all just been talks and messages, and no papers. Honestly I wish to end it as clean as possible, but I just don’t have faith in them any more. Also got called on Friday (was having day off) because some users couldn’t log into one of the mobile apps. Normally I would look into the issues even on my day off, but now I can’t even be bothered so I just told them to stop calling me on my day off unless the servers are making GBS threads itself. So what was the problem? App devs uploading the updates without testing. Not the first time either. Edit: btw later that afternoon I got a msg from CEO saying he wants to have dinner with me next Thursday evening Free food is always tempting.
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Jul 13, 2019 10:05
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Aesis posted:I got a msg from CEO saying he wants to have dinner with me next Thursday evening Can you report the CEO for wanting to socialise outside of work?
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Jul 13, 2019 14:01
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Biggz posted:Can you report the CEO for wanting to socialise outside of work? 
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Jul 13, 2019 14:39
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My CEO invited the whole marketing department to an "intimate casual" party at his house next week.
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Jul 13, 2019 17:04
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First of May posted:My CEO invited the whole marketing department to an "intimate casual" party at his house next week. With or without socks?
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Jul 13, 2019 19:39
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Potato Salad posted:With or without socks? Without socks, but always use protection from the sounds of it
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Jul 13, 2019 20:17
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Aesis posted:Another fun fact is lay off notification has no power in Korea as the employee can ignore it. I just can't wrap my head around this tbh.
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Jul 13, 2019 21:13
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pofcorn posted:I just can't wrap my head around this tbh. The only documents that are effective are notification of leave (from employee), or notification of termination of contract from employer (when they fire you). Expiration of contract does not apply when an employee has been working full time in the company (pay pension/insurance/etc as tax) for longer than 2 years, unless you’re past retirement age. Edit: There are also laws to protect employees from being barricaded from attending place of work. Also, should the employer wish to make any decisions regarding employee, they first need to make it official by stamp and sign from whichever highest authority/committee within the company, which is the CEO for this company. And the law also states that the employer first needs to hold committee if an employee does wrongdoings and make a 3/4 (or 2/3 I forgot) vote for decisions, and while they can punish said employee after the vote for, they can not fire him/her unless there are intentions to harm the company or the said employee can no longer work (jail). This is why I said I unleashed hell, because they’re breaking multiple laws and they bloody know it. Aesis fucked around with this message at 04:12 on Jul 14, 2019 |
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Jul 14, 2019 04:01
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I didn't think employment could be worse but apparently a fascist rump puppet state of the US stands ready to answer the call
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Jul 14, 2019 04:07
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It’s kind of amazing that a country that was a military dictatorship 30 years ago has such strong worker’s protection laws.
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HiroProtagonist posted:I didn't think employment could be worse but apparently a fascist rump puppet state of the US stands ready to answer the call As for the loopholes, there are three. 1. Internship. The worst abused. Interns don't need to be paid minimum wage and they can be terminated from work at any time. If the employer tells you to get lost, you have to leave that very moment. 2. Part time. Part timers (or freelancers. Generally contract workers) are not protected from being terminated (ie. breach of contract). The employer only needs to pay compensation if asked/ruled. 3. Less than 2 years in the company. Second worst abused. Employers will generally sign a contract which is written 'working for 2 years', then if a new contract is not signed before the expiration then you're no longer employed. So generally when a company hires an employee it'll be written in the document 'contract for 2 years, internship of 3 months included'. Which means the employer can fire you at any time during first 3 months of internship (Some places do 6 months. I never apply for those.), and the employer can choose to not extend contract after 2 years. And full time means you've been paying taxes required by law and working 40 hours a week. 22 Eargesplitten posted:It’s kind of amazing that a country that was a military dictatorship 30 years ago has such strong worker’s protection laws. I'm a full time employee of 3 years in the same company, so I'm long past Case 1, 2, 3 (and 4). Aesis fucked around with this message at 05:06 on Jul 14, 2019 |
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HiroProtagonist posted:I didn't think employment could be worse but apparently a fascist rump puppet state of the US stands ready to answer the call Are you seriously blaming Trump for labor laws and practices that have been in place for decades?
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Bigass Moth posted:Are you seriously blaming Trump for labor laws and practices that have been in place for decades? "Has someone been asking the Justice Department to go full clownshoes gubbermint-get-out-reeeee regressive on labor" that's a yes
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Jul 15, 2019 14:23
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Things pissing me off: Our username scheme is atrocious. We only use initials so Alexander Abraham Anderson would just be AAA in our system. It makes using powershell to do AD work frustrating as I'd have to memorize usernames or do a Get-ADUser -filter "Name -like 'Alexander*'" every time I want to find someone.  Minor in the grand scheme of things but still a constant frustration.
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Irritated Goat posted:Things pissing me off: holy loving what? How small is that organization?
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