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I keep thinking about how Sam Bradford looked pretty decent on the Eagles and then even better on the Vikings. I keep thinking about how Big Dick Nick almost quit football and then went on an unbelievable playoff run and won the Superbowl. I keep thinking about how the Rams offense was an unstoppable juggernaut for the whole year. Has there ever been a head coach so abruptly and unambiguously proven to be awful than Jeff Fisher? It's incredible. He very clearly wasted talent that was more than capable of winning a championship for years. He couldn't get more than 7 wins out of that talent. He's never gonna work in the NFL again, right? Right?
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Really makes you wonder about McNair. He just flat out died when he got out of Fishers offense.
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Feb 23, 2018 22:38
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Ben Nevis posted:Really makes you wonder about McNair. He just flat out died when he got out of Fishers offense. This is a terrible joke and gently caress you.
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Feb 23, 2018 23:28
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Hey just remember that Fisher was the one ACTUALLY responsible for building that roster and deserves a lot of credit for how they performed after getting rid of his archaic rear end.
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Feb 23, 2018 23:44
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Parallelwoody posted:Hey just remember that Fisher was the one ACTUALLY responsible for building that roster and deserves a lot of credit for how they performed after getting rid of his archaic rear end. Fisher always struck me as good enough at evaluation and as a coach, but scheme wise he seems like the game's simply passed him by. John Fox seems to be getting that way too. He's built a semi decent roster in Chicago from the trashfire they were.
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Feb 24, 2018 01:54
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BlindSite posted:Fisher always struck me as good enough at evaluation and as a coach, but scheme wise he seems like the game's simply passed him by. John Fox seems to be getting that way too. He's built a semi decent roster in Chicago from the trashfire they were. I do not agree.
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Feb 24, 2018 02:14
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Rooster Brooster posted:Has there ever been a head coach so abruptly and unambiguously proven to be awful than Jeff Fisher? It's incredible. He very clearly wasted talent that was more than capable of winning a championship for years. He couldn't get more than 7 wins out of that talent. He's never gonna work in the NFL again, right? Right? BlindSite posted:Fisher always struck me as good enough at evaluation and as a coach, but scheme wise he seems like the game's simply passed him by. John Fox seems to be getting that way too. He's built a semi decent roster in Chicago from the trashfire they were.
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Feb 24, 2018 05:25
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the bears have been treading water with a worse roster... 5-11 in 2014 with cutler, jeffery, forte, martellus bennett, and brandon marshall along with some decent pieces on defense to 5-11 this year with trubinsky, kendall wright with 614 receiving yards and nobody else over 400, jordan howard with 1100 yards rushing, and maybe the same level of talent on d but kyle fuller got worse
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Feb 24, 2018 05:52
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AAAAA! Real Muenster posted:Uh well the team also signed a top 5-10ish LT, signed or traded for receivers so Tavon Austin wasnt a starter anymore, and did something else that by sleep deprived brain cant think of right now. I'm not saying Sean McVay didnt work wonders with a squad that underperformed the past few years, but it simply wasnt all him. Their defense is showing a lot of promise and their line play has been better in general.
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Feb 24, 2018 07:50
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John fox is the king of getting a lot out of a bad roster. He’s also the king of getting less out of a better roster.
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Feb 24, 2018 16:07
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AAAAA! Real Muenster posted:Uh well the team also signed a top 5-10ish LT, signed or traded for receivers so Tavon Austin wasnt a starter anymore, and did something else that by sleep deprived brain cant think of right now. I'm not saying Sean McVay didnt work wonders with a squad that underperformed the past few years, but it simply wasnt all him. I think the Bears record is more an indictment of John Fox than the Bears roster. They still lack depth, but they absolutely have talent on their defense, offensive line and running backs. They've also gotten a lot younger.
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Feb 24, 2018 17:23
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FizFashizzle posted:John fox is the king of getting a lot out of a bad roster.
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Feb 24, 2018 18:44
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He also got less out of Denver in Super Bowl 48 and the entire 2014 season
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Feb 24, 2018 18:46
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Spring Break My Heart posted:He got a lot out of Denver and I'd hesitate to consider any of the Panthers teams he had to be stacked Good lord dude the panthers were loving stacked from 2002-2006 ish That’s to say nothing of the 2008 playoffs....
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Feb 24, 2018 19:22
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2008 should have been a much better year before 2015 you could probably argue it's the best team Carolina has ever fielded. Delhomme meltdown 
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Feb 26, 2018 04:15
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BlindSite posted:2008 should have been a much better year before 2015 you could probably argue it's the best team Carolina has ever fielded. Delhomme meltdown Oh no not even close. Yeah the Panthers had a fun RB duo in 08, but the defense was smoke and mirrors. Also Jake Delhomme had already melted down twice during the season to the two worst teams in the nfl that year. Best team pound for pound was 2003. Just better across the board. No one really remembers just how good Dan Morgan was.
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Feb 26, 2018 05:19
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Morgan was that really good MLB before he started racking up a ton of concussions, right? I remember that Panther front 7 used to get attention because Peppers, Kris Jenkins and Mike Rucker were all really good that season.
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Feb 26, 2018 05:25
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Durandal1707 posted:Morgan was that really good MLB before he started racking up a ton of concussions, right? I remember that Panther front 7 used to get attention because Peppers, Kris Jenkins and Mike Rucker were all really good that season. Yeah. Brentson Buckner was really good, and Will Witherspoon was on that line as well. They also had two really good safeties with Minter and Grant.
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Feb 26, 2018 05:29
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FizFashizzle posted:Oh no not even close. 03 was a hell of a team but you're kind of selling the 08 defense a little short. Kemoeatu was still a fat tub of poo poo but was good occupying space and Peppers had 14.5 sacks that year. The corner back trio of Gamble, Lucas and Marshall was solid af too. Beason and Davis were in full flight at the time too. Still had gross, Kalil and Wharton on the line at that point. It was a down year overall for the NFL though.
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Feb 26, 2018 06:16
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I would love Bill to teach McDaniels his secrets then write Football Scouting Methods 2020 edition and then just tell everyone them all anyway.
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Feb 26, 2018 06:35
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Id like Bill to do his own show where for 45 minutes he breaks down cool football poo poo with film.
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Feb 26, 2018 06:41
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BlindSite posted:Id like Bill to do his own show where for 45 minutes he breaks down cool football poo poo with film. I hope you're ready for 45 minutes of amazing special teams blocks. I could be convinced to watch this with Belichick breaking down why he's impressed.
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Feb 26, 2018 08:09
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BlindSite posted:03 was a hell of a team but you're kind of selling the 08 defense a little short. Sure but compare it to 2003. Peppers only had 7 sacks because that was the year teams were triple teaming him, Rucker had 12, and those two weren't even the best players on the dline; that was jenkins, who the panthers had nothing like in 2008. More important, that was back when Peppers still played every down, so he was a terror on the defensive line even if he wasn't getting to the qb. Lucas was not a good corner that year, he was clearly over the hill. He never recovered from Smith breaking his nosejob. In fact, he was falling apart all year, and Fox's insistence on keeping him and Gamble on their respective sides of the field is what led to Larry Fitzgerald having 400 yards receiving or whatever it was. I always tell people the Panthers would have lost that game with or without Jake Delhomme, because Fox wasn't going to do anything about Fitzgerald. Or bench Lucas. Compared to 2003, yeah the Panthers had relatively no name guys, but it was a different game back then. They could press and play defense (unless it was the 2 minute drill against Tom Brady, then it was PREVENT ALL THEW WAY). Plus that team also had ricky manning jr in the slot who was a terror before the rule changes ended his career. As good as Beason was, he was not Morgan by any stretch of the imagination. And Thomas Davis wasn't Thomas Davis yet. He didn't hit his stride until like his 5th ACL surgery. Certainly not the difference maker between the two defenses. Gross was on the 2003 team as well. That offensive line was really old, but it had good players on it. As a whole, they were a very good unit, and certainly not that far off from 2008. I mean I can remember who the other tackle was in 2003; I couldn't remember Jeff Otah until I looked it up (that fucker)
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Parallelwoody posted:Hey just remember that Fisher was the one ACTUALLY responsible for building that roster and deserves a lot of credit for how they performed after getting rid of his archaic rear end. If you aren't being sarcastic, "Fisher's Guys" that he really really wanted to bring in all suck. Most of the talent the Rams have right now is 80% Les Snead.
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I was being sarcastic. If you didn't see it, he had some media buddies put out feelers like "so and so team may be interested in fisher" while at the same time doing an interview taking credit for the rams current success. The man is rear end.
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BlindSite posted:2008 should have been a much better year before 2015 you could probably argue it's the best team Carolina has ever fielded. Delhomme meltdown 
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