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Rubio couldn't capitalize on momentum even if reagan came back from the dead and personally endorsed him. "That's why President Reagan gave me his endorsement -" *BZZZZZT* "That's why P-President Reagan gave me his endorsement - *BZZT* "That's why President Reagan gave me his endorsement -"
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Feb 24, 2016 15:03
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Feb 24, 2016 15:05
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Nah they aren't that dumb. Running against the popularly chosen candidate with your own establishment guy and screwing both will alienate them from a large amount of their base for as long as they can remember that.
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Feb 24, 2016 15:06
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Radish posted:Nah they aren't that dumb.
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Feb 24, 2016 15:07
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The guys at the top are pretty smart, they're just finally having to deal with the monster they've created.
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Radish posted:The guys at the top are pretty smart, they're just finally having to deal with the monster they've created.
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Feb 24, 2016 15:13
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I was thinking about how Trump plays upon racism such that his lack of actual Christianity becomes irrelevant to these people, including evangelicals, surprisingly. Well, I think it works the same for his misogyny as well. He manages to take it up a notch where you don't even need to fall back on "family values" and biblical support of anti-women policies. He just outright says women's only value is their attractiveness.
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Bast Relief posted:I was thinking about how Trump plays upon racism such that his lack of actual Christianity becomes irrelevant to these people, including evangelicals, surprisingly. Well, I think it works the same for his misogyny as well. He manages to take it up a notch where you don't even need to fall back on "family values" and biblical support of anti-women policies. He just outright says women's only value is their attractiveness. The pop-science explanation is just the appeal of authoritarianism. People who identify as political/social/cultural conservatives or evangelicals (or any mix thereof) tend to favor authoritarian views. This is especially important for understanding evangelicals as a bloc: it's not really about faith or Christ or whatever, it's about power/authority/patriarchy; evangelicalism is just a strong expression of that trifecta. Trump is a granddaddy authoritarian, and that's the glue that's holding a diverse conservative demographic together right now. edit: which is to say, directly to your point, the misogyny and racism issues don't mean poo poo (and you can see this pretty clearly with the hilarious Trump supporters in the GOP thread) i am the bird fucked around with this message at 16:44 on Feb 24, 2016 |
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Naet posted:The pop-science explanation is just the appeal of authoritarianism. People who identify as political/social/cultural conservatives or evangelicals (or any mix thereof) tend to favor authoritarian views. This is especially important for understanding evangelicals as a bloc: it's not really about faith or Christ or whatever, it's about power/authority/patriarchy; evangelicalism is just a strong expression of that trifecta. If anything, the blatant racism and sexism are a bonus for this crowd as it gives them a convenient enemy to fight. Authoritarians absolutely need some external foe to unite against or they collapse on themselves and race/sexism grants them foes they'll always be able to find that they already resent simply for existing.
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Feb 24, 2016 16:57
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I think the GOP noise machine will line up behind Trump if he wins the nomination rather than risk splitting the party in half over it, but only once it's clear he'll be the nominee.
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Feb 24, 2016 17:11
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Remember when people blamed Nader for Gore losing? Magnify that by about 1000x and you'll get right wing media's approach to Trump if he runs, and loses.
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I've got to hand it to Trump, if he's good for one thing it's making Glenn Beck mad, nude, and red: http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presi...-caucus-speech/ quote:Talk radio host Glenn Beck, who was in Nevada campaigning on behalf of Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) at the caucus, denounced Donald Trump’s supporters as “brown shirts” after the GOP frontrunner upstaged Beck by making an impromptu appearance at the same caucus venue he was speaking at. MFW when some reality show huckster beats me at my own game. 
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Feb 24, 2016 17:32
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Republican dudes are legitimately scared that Trump is going to tank the "conservative" brand and poison it for a generation if he wins the nomination and/or the presidency.
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Oh no Trump is giving the game away! What will all these grifters do now?
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UFOTofuTacoCat posted:Republican dudes are legitimately scared that Trump is going to tank the "conservative" brand and poison it for a generation if he wins the nomination and/or the presidency.
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Tercio posted:I've got to hand it to Trump, if he's good for one thing it's making Glenn Beck mad, nude, and red: i think the huckster lost his mind years ago because he bought into his own bullshit.now he has finaly seen the end result of all of his labors and he knows he has damned us all.
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Polybius91 posted:If Bush Jr. couldn't do it, I'm not convinced anyone can. bush jr never went full retard hard right fascist during campain speechs.
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Matt Walsh breaking on Twitterquote:Time to face the fact that Ben Carson is a deeply selfish and not terribly honest man. The harm he is doing to the country is inexcusable.
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Star Man posted:Jesus, Kasich sounds just like my mother. "If only Washington were more bipartisan, then there wouldn't be so many conflicts over things like the Supreme Court!" Well, yes, that's tautologically true. What I wish Stephen had asked is "name one thing the president could do about that which Obama hasn't already done?" (aside from not being black/a democrat). It's amazing how Obama can simultaneously be blasted by the left for appeasing Republicans too much and the right for ruling like a dictator.
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Ahahaha yeah Walsh, the Good Christian Republicans of South Carolina really give a poo poo about public affairs. Walsh slowly coming to terms with the fact that conservative Christians typically give more of a poo poo about being racist and lowering taxes than anything about their faith and freaking out about it is wonderful. 
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Aw, poor Walsh.  Seriously, I wonder how many candidates are aware they have flaws and lines that are just as bad that Trump, who's proven himself to be a thousand times better than anyone else on the stage, can use to kill them in attack ads. They're all avoiding Trump because in their current, weakened state he can pick them off and the candidates are all praying that everyone else will drop and strengthen the remaining contenders enough so that they can attack Trump without being demolished. The only person who could have really taken on Trump and won was John Ellis Bush Bush, simply because he had the money and establishment machine behind him that he could have weathered the attacks. Only problem is that Jeb. was one of the weakest candidates on his own merits. If (shudder) Cruz or Christie had access to the comical amount of money that Bush had propping him up, Trump would be sporting quite a few more bruises right now. But as is, with every other legitimate (and quasi-legitimate) runner weakened to the point where they're all awkward also-rans right now Trump can brutalize them one at a time if he so chooses to. And the best way to guarantee individual attention from Trump is to attack him outside of the debates (during the debates Trump probably feels like it's all part of the show).
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Oh Matt Walsh has finally caught onto the fact that Carson is a lying grifter who is only doing this to bolster his book sales? You know, the same "candidate" that suspended his campaign for 2 weeks specifically to do his book tour? Matt really does have his finger on the pulse of the GOP if he's having such clairvoyant revelations.
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I almost feel bad for Walsh, because his entire worldview is basically a lie, and he's in a state of panic.
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Trump gonna win the nomination, and start a new era for this thread: Post-Trump Nomination, the right will get super emboldened.
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The scariest thing is that Republicans are now apparently more about ideological purity than winning. They'd rather have Trump lose than Rubio win.
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Radish posted:The guys at the top are pretty smart, they're just finally having to deal with the monster they've created. It's very much this. Even Limbaugh doesn't know what to make of Trump or how to talk about him. The GOP establishment seems as stunned as the rest of us but they shouldn't be. Trump is the culmination of boorishness, wealth, racism, xenohobia, greed and idolatry that they've been clamoring for all along. In many ways, he's the prefect Republican candidate, but now that they're staring him in the face and looking in the mirror, they're stumbling for ways to rationalize it and explain away why it's not as bad as it is. Side question (no idea where to ask it): Has a study ever been done conflating the influence of polls with a person's voting decisions? Meaning, if a voter sees that Trump in Arkansas up by 27 points, does it effect his voting; either by giving up and staying home or jumping on the bandwagon and voting for the front runner? I ask because I think that part of Trump's success this year has as much to do with his persistent media presence (good or bad) coupled with his whole "winners and losers" schtick. Since the Dem and Rep nominees seem to be a foregone conclusion at this point, to what extent does simply knowing that effect voters moving forward is my general question?
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Tercio posted:I've got to hand it to Trump, if he's good for one thing it's making Glenn Beck mad, nude, and red: For once, Glenn Beck is not wrong. hosed up thing is, he doesn't realize how his role in dispensing media and disseminating "information" helped create this phenomenon.
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Seriously the conservative pundits that are sitting there shell shocked after each Trump win going "I.. I don't understand how he's doing so well!! He's just a racist rear end in a top hat that's being a dick to everyone and he's even getting CHRISTIANS on board!" have to be brain dead. I can't figure out if they are really so stupid that they can't understand the actual meaning behind decades of conservative messaging or they are just pretending that the ideology is actually legitimate in the desperate hope that Trump trips up and human dress shirt cardboard insert Rubio takes his rightful place as candidate.
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The thing I don't understand about the Trump phenomenon is that he's clearly pandering in every thing he says without attempting to hide that he's pandering. Everything he says seems insincere and doesn't even attempt to hide it, yet people eat it up. It's like he's playing the role of a horrible politician yet people seem to think he's authentic.
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Radish posted:Seriously the conservative pundits that are sitting there shell shocked after each Trump win going "I.. I don't understand how he's doing so well!! He's just a racist rear end in a top hat that's being a dick to everyone and he's even getting CHRISTIANS on board!" have to be brain dead. I can't figure out if they are really so stupid that they can't understand the actual meaning behind decades of conservative messaging or they are just pretending that the ideology is actually legitimate in the desperate hope that Trump trips up and human dress shirt cardboard insert Rubio takes his rightful place as candidate. They'll do what they always do and blame the
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UFOTofuTacoCat posted:Republican dudes are legitimately scared that Trump is going to tank the "conservative" brand and poison it for a generation if he wins the nomination and/or the presidency. The guy who used 9/11 to invade the wrong loving country didn't tank the conservative brand. Why would this?
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Radbot posted:The scariest thing is that Republicans are now apparently more about ideological purity than winning. They'd rather have Trump lose than Rubio win. I've had a Tea Party dude tell me, "We have to vote our conscience." Why? Because it doesn't really matter who runs the government. The End Times are coming and all the signs are there, just look, so gently caress governing and get right with the LORD because the Rapture is coming soon and you don't wanna be here (Left Behind.)
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Dr. Faustus posted:I think what's scarier is the reason why. One of my favorite pieces of writing on the rapture and PMD is a piece over on the Slacktivist blog at Patheos, which I can't find right this second but will keep looking for. It basically says that by writing Left Behind and bringing awareness of the Scofieldian "prophecy" to the masses, LaHaye and Jenkins actually prevented it from occurring, because now if anything like that happens people are going to know what it is immediately.
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Radish posted:Seriously the conservative pundits that are sitting there shell shocked after each Trump win going "I.. I don't understand how he's doing so well!! He's just a racist rear end in a top hat that's being a dick to everyone and he's even getting CHRISTIANS on board!" have to be brain dead. I can't figure out if they are really so stupid that they can't understand the actual meaning behind decades of conservative messaging or they are just pretending that the ideology is actually legitimate in the desperate hope that Trump trips up and human dress shirt cardboard insert Rubio takes his rightful place as candidate.  "Christians".They're not Christians, they're vengeful, retributive, spiteful, Old Testament authoritarian fascists. Mister Facetious fucked around with this message at 20:20 on Feb 24, 2016 |
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razorrozar posted:One of my favorite pieces of writing on the rapture and PMD is a piece over on the Slacktivist blog at Patheos, which I can't find right this second but will keep looking for. It basically says that by writing Left Behind and bringing awareness of the Scofieldian "prophecy" to the masses, LaHaye and Jenkins actually prevented it from occurring, because now if anything like that happens people are going to know what it is immediately. Found it: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/slacktivist/2014/10/03/bad-theology-makes-for-bad-movies-left-behind-is-a-story-with-no-place-for-real-humans/ In case you're unfamiliar, Fred Clark, the author of that blog, has been dissecting and discussing how lovely Left Behind is for over ten years and it's extremely informative and entertaining.
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razorrozar posted:Found it: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/slacktivist/2014/10/03/bad-theology-makes-for-bad-movies-left-behind-is-a-story-with-no-place-for-real-humans/
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BiggerBoat posted:For once, Glenn Beck is not wrong. hosed up thing is, he doesn't realize how his role in dispensing media and disseminating "information" helped create this phenomenon. No he does know, maybe,. Beck was a troll that drank the kool aid. Like there's an anicient piece from Obama's 1st term where he paid some lip service to the wingnut rage machine and his role and other talking head roles. Then 5 seconds later it's -n-word, -n-word, -n-word, -n-word, -n-word, -n-word, -n-word.
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ErIog posted:My point wasn't that it's unprecedented. My point is that primary voters are more likely to care that a Rubio nomination would go against some of the rhetoric being spouted about Obama in 2008. Lmao, maybe as a fed line from some half thinky blog as justification, but certainly not spontaneously. GOP primary voters don't need any extra reasons for hating the young and inexperienced.
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