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ilmucche posted:tochinoshin is regularly the worst guy on my team but i can't quit him
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ilmucche posted:tochinoshin is regularly the worst guy on my team but i can't quit him I will ride or die Tochi until he's ready to retire.
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Liquid Communism posted:I will ride or die Tochi until he's ready to retire.
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Liquid Communism posted:I will ride or die Tochi until he's ready to retire. 
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Liquid Communism posted:I will ride or die Tochi until he's ready to retire.
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I'm waiting for the forthcoming Abi yusho.
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Liquid Communism posted:I will ride or die Tochi until he's ready to retire. This is my brand of Sumo as well.
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ilmucche posted:tochinoshin is regularly the worst guy on my team but i can't quit him i'm like 80% sure tochinoshin is the highest scoring member of my team is there an award for lowest scoring team? like jokeozuna? i'm in contention for that at least
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Nov 17, 2022 18:43
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My whole team is 3/2 right now, can't complain.
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Vargatron posted:I'm waiting for the forthcoming Abi yusho. Abi/Ryuden playoff on day 15 just for maximum ugh.
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The best thing about this mess of a basho is that the rankings won't shift since the records are all over the place and we will get a repeat of it in january.
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ilmucche posted:tochinoshin is regularly the worst guy on my team but i can't quit him 
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I quite enjoyed the Hoshoryu v Midorifuji match: https://youtu.be/FXqkxZIVoIc Dat slam.
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Love Hoshoryu's throw game, that counter throw was absolutely sick. Not a great day for my team, generally. Think I'll probably trade Nishikigi, dude's sumo is not looking good.
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bartolimu posted:Abi/Ryuden/Ichinojo playoff on day 15 just for maximum ugh.
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Hoshoryu going for a technique prize. I know Abi was out for a long while for breaking Covid rules, but is there another reason the thread hates him?
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There's something about Ichinojo and Abi I just don't like. Ichinojo just seems so dispassionate, Abi seems a mean person to go up against. Then the Ichinojo story broke and Abi not taking covid serious is a pretty dick move considering the training environment they are in.
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I'm just bothered by Abi's lankyness. I need my sumo mans round!
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S.W.O.R.D. Agent posted:I'm just bothered by Abi's lankyness. I need my sumo mans round! Long Long Man
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Jobbo_Fett posted:Then the Ichinojo story broke and Abi not taking covid serious is a pretty dick move considering the training environment they are in. Also, Abi's timing was horrible. His suspension came like 2 months after Shobushi died so people were especially mad.
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Lid posted:Long Long Man *saxytime intensifies*
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Even ignoring Abi’s character flaws at the moment, his sumo is still kinda poo poo with horrible footwork. He’s very lucky to be in this period with weak and inconsistent top ranks. I thought he was getting better before the suspension but it’s all gotten sloppy again.
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Do the requirements for ozeki assume consistent performance at sekiwake? I was curious about this back in March because Abi was sekiwake and hit exactly 32 wins across 3 tournaments. If he'd had one more would have qualified for ozeki or do you have to achieve the 33 wins as a sekiwake? Or is it all made up? Regardless, I appreciate the lanky sumo. I've been impressed this basho with Ichiyamamoto on the lower end of the banzuke. Edit: Covid bullshit in mind, how do people feel about the Asanoyama redemption arc? Nativity In Black fucked around with this message at 05:07 on Nov 18, 2022 |
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I am once again giving all of my energy for Takayasu yusho
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Shiroc posted:I am once again giving all of my energy for Takayasu yusho i want this so bad but he will keep loving it up. abi came back from suspension and tore thru makuuchi and then decided to become dog poo poo. very abi.
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Marching Powder posted:i want this so bad but he will keep loving it up. Only if you keep up this attitude instead of giving him your energy
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Nativity In Black posted:Do the requirements for ozeki assume consistent performance at sekiwake? I was curious about this back in March because Abi was sekiwake and hit exactly 32 wins across 3 tournaments. If he'd had one more would have qualified for ozeki or do you have to achieve the 33 wins as a sekiwake? Or is it all made up? You need all 3 tourneys to be at sanyaku or at least the last 2 and the one before at M1-2 if they are feeling generous. Basically any tourneys under that don't count because it's a whole lot easier to get wins at M15/M6 since you aren't fighting any top rankers.
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Marching Powder posted:i want this so bad but he will keep loving it up. Abi's been the same wrestler before and after his suspension. Good enough to make M1-5 but held back by lovely footwork/technique to break through into sanyaku as a permanent fixture.
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Nativity In Black posted:Hoshoryu going for a technique prize. Personally I just find Abi extremely dull to watch, whether he's winning or losing.
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Abi relies on physical gifts, and his technique isn't incredible. Compared to, say, Nishikifuji (who is looking incredible this basho), I understand why people don't love him. I have two counters to this: 1) Abi is a bro-y goofball who's so funny that the JSK had to suspend rikishi social media accounts because his posting game was too strong. 2) He has the greatest shiko of all time  He shouldn't have broken COVID protocol, but he's just a dumb bro and I have a lot of patience for dumb, but well-meaning, bros. Dead Goon posted:I can already feel that checking out some stats and previous Basho results is paying dividends for my brand of Sumo. Every time I remember to do this I increase my end-of-basho score by like 5 points. W/r/t the basho so far: day 5 was a complete banger, lots of great matches. I'm happy to see my boy Kotonowaka going out and doing strong solid sumo, and like I said before, Nishikifuji is really impressing me. Hoshoryu is also looking great, and his bad boy hot guy sumo is really on fire right now. Also, Takayasu yusho? Day 5 standings Makuuchi code:code:
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anakha posted:Abi's been the same wrestler before and after his suspension. Good enough to make M1-5 but held back by lovely footwork/technique to break through into sanyaku as a permanent fixture. Yeah, this has been my read as well. It's why I picked him for my fantasy draft at his rank of M9. He's down low enough that he can win reliably against similarly ranked wrestlers. However, when he gets too high in the rankings, higher ranked wrestlers are just better and reliably win against him. He can break into komosubi but I highly doubt he'll be able to stay there until he improves. And because the flaws are deep, I don't think he'll ever truly improve. I remember Daieisho had a similar kind of problem but it looks like he's been able to resolve them. He had this one trick of leaning forward and striking the throat and face over and over again, arms pushing forward like the pistons of an engine while moving forward. It was incredibly aggressive and for a while, wrestlers just didn't know how to deal with it and just folded because getting hit in the throat/face sucks. Then wrestlers figured out that because this is all he did, all they need to do is step backwards, lure him in with some free hits that don't have the same force due to moving away and then step to the side. His body is inherently unbalanced due to how he's continually striking and his mix poor balance, forward motion, extreme focus on where he was striking due to the smallness of the target (which probably weakened his focus on footwork) and aggression repeatedly took him over the edge and to losses. He fixed that somewhat. While he still strikes at the face and neck, but he doesn't lean in and piston as much as he used to and so his balance is steadier and he doesn't step out of the ring due to his lack of balance. His problem with his footwork was that he was relying on a technique that left him unbalanced. That's now more or less been resolved. He's not scoring wins like he used to, but his old tactic had been more or less solved. Abi is in a much worse place. I feel like Abi could work on his technique and try to unfuck his footwork and if he did he'd be a real terror. Speaking from experience in martial arts, improving technique is easier (not easy, just easier) than fixing problems with footwork. Techniques that aren't working can be tweaked, abandoned or mixed with new techniques. Daieisho leaving the ring too much? The fix is a change in technique, which is simpler. However, changing fundamentals like footwork is really loving hard because it requires unlearning learned behaviors. Unlearning is a tedious and lengthy process that isn't guaranteed to work. It's not passive like forgetting. Unlearning is active and requires facing what you learned at an instinctive level and changing it. Even if you do learn how to move correctly when you're thinking about it, your behavior can and often does just revert back to that bad footwork when you stop thinking and start running on instinct again. Also good luck if the trainer who allowed your footwork to be sloppy in the first place is still there. Even if you get a new one who knows what they're doing, they have to want to bother spending a lot of time on fixing you. And it will be long, tedious, frustrating, often embarrassing and not guaranteed to work. In which time, you're probably going to takes some more losses as you attempt fundamental change. Abi strikes me as someone who will fluctuate between M5 and komosubi and never get any higher as he's crushed as soon as he starts fighting wrestlers that are actually good. Any time he makes komosubi or M1, he'll fall back once his physical gifts aren't enough to win on their own anymore. And then you look at what else he's got going for him which isn't that great. His footwork is bad, his technique isn't great either. Simply having the right body type will get you far in sumo and it can push you past smaller, more talented wrestlers who are less physically gifted. And with a weaker lineup in the top division, he can skate on his abilities but never be truly great. Unless he does the monumental task of doing a total rebuild of his fundamentals and improving his technique, he'll never be great. My take is to draft Abi if he gets into the lower ranks and don't draft him if he gets into the upper ranks. Anyway, I might be wrong, but that's my take as someone who did martial arts for roughly a decade. Ice Phisherman fucked around with this message at 09:59 on Nov 18, 2022 |
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Yeah, Abi as he stands is the definition of a career midranker. Enough natural talent to get that far, but not enough skill to make the changes needed to reach the top ranks.
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Liquid Communism posted:Yeah, Abi as he stands is the definition of a career midranker. Enough natural talent to get that far, but not enough skill to make the changes needed to reach the top ranks. I don't blame someone for accepting being merely good if good works. Especially for all the blood, sweat and tears that would be required to go from good to great. The thing about blood, sweat and tears is that they're not all that much fun to shed more than you're already shedding if you don't need to. After his suspension, Abi had roughly a year to fix his problems with fundamentals and technique. Six months suspension and then another six getting back to makuuchi. That's enough time to make serious progress on addressing flaws. Probably not enough for a full rebuild of fundamentals, but enough to shore up weaknesses and develop new techniques. If he did that he'd probably be on his way to ozeki. He didn't though and now that he's thirty-one he probably never will because he's only got a few more years left. Few people can be Tamawashi, the Carl Ripken Jr. of the sumo world and show up every day and wrestle into their late thirties and possibly into his forties. I understand people who want to be just good enough, but I also have a deep respect for people who do put in that blood, sweat and tears to reach for the top when they obviously don't have to. Ice Phisherman fucked around with this message at 10:46 on Nov 18, 2022 |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fTV5yGRsdU&t=106s asanoyama (at makushita 4e after getting upset once last basho) had a juryo guest bout today vs. tokushoryu kinta also included it at the beginning of his digest i see now that i'm watching that for the top division Thauros fucked around with this message at 12:40 on Nov 18, 2022 |
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Ice Phisherman posted:
Abi's only 28. His COVID shenanigans permanently soured me on him as someone I'd ever root for, but I think y'all are selling him a bit short. The only reason he's at maegashira #9 is because he had to sit the last one out. Prior to that, he seemed to like he might have occupied the main event joker-type role that pre-yusho Tamawashi did some years ago, where he rarely won enough to be considered part of the yusho race, but nevertheless usually won just enough at the top level to remain inside or quickly get back to sanyaku. His style is too inconsistent to reliably guarantee him wins over anyone, but since returning from suspension he's proven to be a legit threat to the top contenders: he's 2-2 against Terunofuji in exciting and chaotic bouts, he's dominated Takakeisho at basically every turn, he's currently on a 2-bout win streak over Mitakeumi after having really struggled with him in past year, and... well, Shodai's beaten him 4 times in 4 different ways in their past 4 encounters, but that's the erratic force meeting the capricious object. I think he'll make it back to sanyaku and continue to cause havoc in the near future. Speaking of uniquely unpredictable styles, check out this awesome throwback fight in Kintamayama's video from today. Big fan of Terutsuyoshi's salt toss and Takayasu's signature pose, but having a character like Robocop around seems like it was a blast: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Fa0CwdYpAU&t=415s
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Liquid Communism posted:I will ride or die Tochi until he's ready to retire. May Tochi win, or drive my fantasy sumo into the goddamn ground.
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Gaghskull posted:May Tochi win, or drive my fantasy sumo into the goddamn ground. It's the latter... 
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