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Addamere posted:yeah, im a dumbass who did quick math and punched in 5% not 0.05% lol And if its 99.9999995%? What about 99.999999999999999999999999995%? The P-T extinction event killed off 90-96% of all species on the planet. Would you say that it doesn't count as an 'extinction'? My point is - I take issue with Squallid's (who might've been trolling, idk) conception that "extinction" is impossible in the next century because "extinction" = 100% of everything is dead - and that's a totally disingenuous framing. We can all move on though, because the best response to all this is 
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Oxxidation posted:lollin at the succ thread freaking out at the planet politely informing them better things aren't possible lol at people invading the succzone to be like "why aren't you just dying quietly, i will not accept any of this "trying to survive" business"
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there are a lot of humans, but we're not even close to the largest animal population on the planet and much bigger ones than us have died off before. the key difference is that most of those die offs weren't caused by the ones doing the dying
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Yinlock posted:lol at people invading the succzone to be like "why aren't you just dying quietly, i will not accept any of this "trying to survive" business" why would i want anyone to die quietly let the sounds of their anguish carry on the wind
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So, anyone have bucket lists? I'm thinking of things to do before my medicine runs out. I'm a poor so I've only go one thing so far: 1. gently caress
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Pretty Little Angel posted:So, anyone have bucket lists? I'm thinking of things to do before my medicine runs out. 2. Two Chicks at the Same Time©
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Pretty Little Angel posted:So, anyone have bucket lists? I'm thinking of things to do before my medicine runs out. tbh this is a pretty good one
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Oxxidation posted:why would i want anyone to die quietly yours is carrying far enough for everyone friend
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Squalid posted:one of the biggest difficulties with science communication is how to get across the idea of uncertainty. The general public is not well equipped mentally to handle the pain of not knowing, and that makes it really difficult to talk about risk. "Bad things might happen" is difficult for normal people to distinguish from "Bad things WILL happen," and realistically there's a lot of thick skulls you're never going to get it past. Mayor Dave's faith in the futility of human action isn't based on a serious assessment of the probability of specific climate scenarios, it's more like a philosophical position. I'm not much for religion myself but if I have to choose a faith I prefer those that encourage productive behavior. You've got me entirely wrong. The futility of human action to fix the climate isn't because I don't think there's a way for us to fix it, or because I think the outcome of current trends is inevitable. It stems from my belief that precisely because of the uncertainty of the science that the consensus won't shift to doing anything until all ocean life is dead and there are permanent fires in the Arctic. We're doomed not because we are destined for it, but because we're choosing it.
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We've gotten way too good at surviving viruses. Me, pounding on table: "Plague!" "Plague!" "Plague!" "Plague!" "Plague!" "Plague!"
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gently caress, I'm still hopeful that we'll get out of it! I'm doing a 401k, going vegetarian with an eye towards vegan, consciously downsizing what little lifestyle I have, etc. I think even if there's a .1% chance to navigate our way out of this it's worth working towards. I just don't think donating to Greenpeace so they can send a sternly worded letter to Dow chemical about no longer making plastic is going to so it.
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Mayor Dave posted:We're doomed not because we are destined for it, but because we're choosing it. Yeah that's one aspect that really stings for me. The T-Admin dismantling regulations with full understanding that they actually don't do anything except hamper short term gains, so we may as well party hard for just little while longer, really clinched it for me.
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Mayor Dave posted:gently caress, I'm still hopeful that we'll get out of it! I'm doing a 401k, going vegetarian with an eye towards vegan, consciously downsizing what little lifestyle I have, etc. I think even if there's a .1% chance to navigate our way out of this it's worth working towards. I just don't think donating to Greenpeace so they can send a sternly worded letter to Dow chemical about no longer making plastic is going to so it. Donate to the Extinction Rebellion & Sunrise kids. They're the future of climate activism and will be / are the ones leading whatever fight we are going to give.
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Stairmaster posted:ace of flames is gonna end up being the mohawked raider and commiting so many horrific crimes Hahahahaha I'm 168 cm tall and 66kg. That's not happening.
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AceOfFlames posted:Hahahahaha some of the warboys in fury road looked to be about that size, you'll be fine
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Jul 24, 2019 21:55
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If only the criminal mastermind, donald trump, had left behind some trace of evidence we could use!
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Jul 24, 2019 21:55
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I posted in the wrong thread.
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nobody would've noticed if you didn't say anything
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How are u posted:Donate to the Extinction Rebellion & Sunrise kids. They're the future of climate activism and will be / are the ones leading whatever fight we are going to give. Yeah I do a recurring monthly to the sunrise movement, I like what they're doing and I just hope that maybe they get somewhere without selling out
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being able to survive in a calorie-scarce environment is going to be extremely heavily selected for in the future, so that's a plus
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It's worth saying I don't want people to die, but earth and the Hypercane do and I can't fight them.
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Jul 24, 2019 22:05
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Shima Honnou posted:It's worth saying I don't want people to die, but earth and the Hypercane do and I can't fight them. Here:
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Jul 24, 2019 22:07
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Salt Fish posted:Here: gently caress you
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Coming 2022: the sunrise movement race for climate change!
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Salt Fish posted:Here: is it possible for hate to manifest physically? i can feel it right under my solar plexus, like a late term xenomorph
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I've changed my mind and am now unironically on the side of the Hypercane and climate death.
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Mayor Dave posted:You've got me entirely wrong. The futility of human action to fix the climate isn't because I don't think there's a way for us to fix it, or because I think the outcome of current trends is inevitable. It stems from my belief that precisely because of the uncertainty of the science that the consensus won't shift to doing anything until all ocean life is dead and there are permanent fires in the Arctic. We're doomed not because we are destined for it, but because we're choosing it. that's fair. certainly, our leaders haven't done anything to earn our confidence. also Greenpeace sucks and is antinuclear so definitely don't give them money tiberion02 posted:My point is - I take issue with Squallid's (who might've been trolling, idk) conception that "extinction" is impossible in the next century because "extinction" = 100% of everything is dead - and that's a totally disingenuous framing. If you look closely you'll notice I haven't actually said extinction is impossible in the near future, although I do think it's pretty unlikely. Instead I've argued that most fears of extinction and civilizational collapse are not based in evidence or science, but instead are coming from genre fiction and are cultural tropes rather than hard headed assessments of the future. The reality is we don't and can't know what the future will bring, and if there's potential for disaster in that uncertainty there is equally potential for hope. if this point seems like an overly pedantic for c-spam, well it is. I'd have not brought it up if it hadn't been dragged here by others first.
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Squalid posted:hard headed assessments of the future ... if there's potential for disaster in that uncertainty there is equally potential for hope. Squalid posted:if this point seems like an overly pedantic for c-spam, well it is. I'd have not brought it up if it hadn't been dragged here by others first.
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You know how I said "well none of the papers I read suggested pollinator extinction" as part of ecosystem collapse? https://doi.org/10.5061/dryad.5ta5dn6 Might as well be if their active periods don't correspond to when flowers bloom anymore
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ikanreed posted:You know how I said "well none of the papers I read suggested pollinator extinction" as part of ecosystem collapse? Oh cool
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Squalid posted:The reality is we don't and can't know what the future will bring, and if there's potential for disaster in that uncertainty there is equally potential for hope. This is utter bullshit. We know with an ever-increasing degree of certainty what the future holds, so gently caress off with this hand-wringing crap. No one's forcing you to post here, I for one would greatly prefer it if you stopped. You've offered nothing but an outdated perspective and confidently delivered ignorance.
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Squalid posted:that's fair. certainly, our leaders haven't done anything to earn our confidence. also Greenpeace sucks and is antinuclear so definitely don't give them money greenpeace's anti-nuclear stance is incredibly stupid but the nuclear fanboys online are basically on the same level as elon musk fanboys in thinking that nuclear will magically solve everything, there's a lot of issues with construction of many nuclear plants (concrete ain't friendly, mining and refining uranium is quite energy intensive and destructive given that a lot of material needs to be processed even for "rich" veins, while reprocessing is energy intensive on its own as well, nuclear plants use several elements such as beryllium and hafnium which are already in short supply, the amount of water needed can affect local ecosystems and also limits where you can build them, etc) that make it far from the magic bullet. it has its uses but we can't switch our entire system over. we're not inventing ourselves our of this mess with a new energy source. we need to consume less energy even if it means sacrificing some wasteful things. maybe we need to stop using so much loving plastic, stop flying so much for things which teleconferencing can easily achieve if people get over themselves), stop living in wasteful suburban houses even if your car is ~electric~. but then the problem is we get people like gorka saying THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE AWAY YOUR HAMBURGERS and we just vote ourselves in idiots who ignore these issues.
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shipon did you ever bother to read up on CO2e/kWh? just curious
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You live on a planet controlled by a death cult and the idea that you can change that by putting solar panels on your roof or never buying a plane ticket or stopping eating meat is liberal bullshit. All you're doing is making yourself feel better. If you're thinking about what you can do about climate change "as a consumer" you may as well just take some antidepressants, never have kids, try not to think about the impending doom, and enjoy the apex of industrial civilization before the whole thing crashes down.
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A Russian troll farm posted:
If you don't have kids, you can enjoy your kids' share of the resources! It's win/win
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Lookin extremely forward to some stratospheric sulfate aerosol injection sunsets comin up in 2024
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Farrier Theaks posted:If you don't have kids, you can enjoy your kids' share of the resources! It's win/win quote:Resources exist to be consumed. And consumed they will be, if not by this generation then by some future. By what right does this forgotten future seek to deny us our birthright? None I say! Let us take what is ours, chew and eat our fill.
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Chairman Morgan isn't wrong
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Farrier Theaks posted:Lookin extremely forward to some stratospheric sulfate aerosol injection sunsets comin up in 2024 2026; will be put on hold until after US congressional elections.
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Farrier Theaks posted:CEO Morgan isn't wrong
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