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yeah it is definitely one of the worst "AI" systems i've seen, as measured by how obvious/natural its responses are. whatever it's fitting to, it clearly isn't what humans use. john jackson: 99.9% male jill jackson: 95.8% male leslie neilsen: 70% female leslie neilson: 78% male ???
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jemand posted:I suspect that was trained on a very unbalanced data set, as it's trivial to find simple, common words that spit out 99+% chance of being male, but "magenta" was the highest I got for female in my random samplings, and that was still just 95%. Sagebrush posted:yeah it is definitely one of the worst "AI" systems i've seen, as measured by how obvious/natural its responses are. whatever it's fitting to, it clearly isn't what humans use. strongly suspect they just grabbed some pretrained bag-of-words NLP model and threw a little extra fine-tuning on top
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# ? Jul 29, 2020 00:15 |
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giving the algorithm gunsquote:A new Israeli tank features Xbox controllers, AI honed by ‘StarCraft II’ and ‘Doom’
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# ? Jul 29, 2020 00:56 |
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i don't understand how they can use starcraft 2 to train an AI to drive a tank
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# ? Jul 29, 2020 01:02 |
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Sagebrush posted:i don't understand how they can use starcraft 2 to train an AI to drive a tank seems like they used sc2 to teach path finding. big lols at touch screen controls in a loving tank.
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# ? Jul 29, 2020 01:06 |
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if you think about the modern battlefield as a collection of semi-manned drones packed full of sensors, the end result is something pretty similar to an RTS in terms of how an AI might deal with it.
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# ? Jul 29, 2020 01:15 |
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Sagebrush posted:yeah it is definitely one of the worst "AI" systems i've seen, as measured by how obvious/natural its responses are. whatever it's fitting to, it clearly isn't what humans use. it's baffling how little effort they put into validation. like, they clearly didn't try at all at least, that's what i'd be saying if this wasn't a clear and obviously viral marketing gimmick designed to draw attention to their product. "look how bad this is!!!" we gleefully yell as we give them clicks
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# ? Jul 29, 2020 01:45 |
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redleader posted:it's baffling how little effort they put into validation. like, they clearly didn't try at all not all press is good press
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# ? Jul 29, 2020 01:47 |
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Best Bi Geek Squid posted:giving the algorithm guns lmao this is horrifying
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# ? Jul 29, 2020 01:58 |
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https://twitter.com/leftoblique/status/1288172169042653184
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# ? Jul 29, 2020 02:22 |
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Shaggar posted:if you think about the modern battlefield as a collection of semi-manned drones packed full of sensors, the end result is something pretty similar to an RTS in terms of how an AI might deal with it. Midjack posted:seems like they used sc2 to teach path finding. big lols at touch screen controls in a loving tank. but i still don't understand how you "teach" from that. do you just, like, have your AI review thousands of examples of starcraft pathfinding behavior where you mark the starting point and destination and obstacles? in that case aren't you just directly ripping off blizzard's algorithm? do you use it to simulate a real-world battlefield by saying okay, a zergling is a palestinian child and a siege tank is a rocket truck, go figure it out? in that case aren't you both ripping off blizzard and using a really poor representation of your environment, full of biases? do you decompile the game and customize it to create optimized training materials for your system? in that case, why even start with starcraft? ?
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# ? Jul 29, 2020 02:33 |
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Sagebrush posted:but i still don't understand how you "teach" from that. look I'm sure that the very smart people who designed an afv to look like a gamer's bedroom have it all figured out
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# ? Jul 29, 2020 02:58 |
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https://twitter.com/cfiesler/status/1288267418121494529 If this is a troll job it's working pretty well.
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# ? Jul 29, 2020 03:00 |
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Sagebrush posted:but i still don't understand how you "teach" from that. i think it’s that second one.
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# ? Jul 29, 2020 06:03 |
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Carthag Tuek posted:youre the ones putting a gender identity on my email in the first place!!! X.400 user spotted
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# ? Jul 29, 2020 09:30 |
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400 X chromosomes ought to be enough for anybody
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# ? Jul 29, 2020 09:37 |
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Sagebrush posted:but i still don't understand how you "teach" from that. the builtin AI from blizzard is not good. alphastar plays like a human (for the most part) and the point is being able to create an AI that can adapt itself to battlefield combat. its not so much that it can play starcraft specifically, but that it can learn to do RTS at all. the reason to start with starcraft 2 is a combo of factors like popularity, maturity, and blizzard's willingness to provide support. is there even another RTS that they could use? I mean starcraft 1 maybe, but there are probably technical limitations and the unit controls are janky as hell
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# ? Jul 29, 2020 15:53 |
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Sagebrush posted:but i still don't understand how you "teach" from that. it is baffling to me, also i think the most plausible thing i can come up with is that they modded starcraft, fed the visual stimuli to the AI and allowed it to drive inside the game? something like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRZz18X1Ibo&t=320s if the tank physics were realistic, that might "teach" the ai what kinds of hills and slopes it can navigate, what kinds of obstacles it can go through or needs to bypass, and so on
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# ? Jul 29, 2020 16:06 |
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its not about actually driving the tank like first person car type stuff, its about navigation and fire control integrated into the overall battlefield.
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# ? Jul 29, 2020 16:11 |
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like, what, looking at a satellite image of a battlefield and being able to draw a dotted line on a map or on the ground saying "follow this to get to your objective"? i guess starcraft (again, presumably modded to have terrain that resembles actual conditions in/around israel) could conceivably help there. the problem would be giving feedback/a reward function, but that seems very solveable.
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# ? Jul 29, 2020 16:38 |
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training a tank with starcraft AI is some tesla-tier bullshit
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# ? Jul 29, 2020 17:17 |
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looking forward to the "Gaza strip 4v4 AP EM ~*ReLo@dEd*~" sc2 custom map
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# ? Jul 29, 2020 17:25 |
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"splitting", a well known hezbollah terrorist tactic
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# ? Jul 29, 2020 17:46 |
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https://twitter.com/math_rachel/status/1288514000225841152
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# ? Jul 29, 2020 18:43 |
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Shaggar posted:its not about actually driving the tank like first person car type stuff, its about navigation and fire control integrated into the overall battlefield. Okay but again how is StarCraft better for that than just using aerial photos of the Gaza strip?
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# ? Jul 29, 2020 18:48 |
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im guessing they already had a model trained on 2 billion hours of StarCraft lying around and they were like "gently caress it we might as well try to use it"
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# ? Jul 29, 2020 18:56 |
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just using the algorithm is the whole point of the exercise, totally independent from how effective, practical, or appropriate it is
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# ? Jul 29, 2020 19:28 |
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Sagebrush posted:Okay but again how is StarCraft better for that than just using aerial photos of the Gaza strip?
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# ? Jul 29, 2020 19:33 |
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israeli tanks now with advanced wall-off technology
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# ? Jul 29, 2020 19:33 |
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Best Bi Geek Squid posted:looking forward to the "Gaza strip 4v4 AP EM ~*ReLo@dEd*~" sc2 custom map big oil hunters
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# ? Jul 29, 2020 21:58 |
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Best Bi Geek Squid posted:looking forward to the "Gaza strip 4v4 AP EM ~*ReLo@dEd*~" sc2 custom map 20 minutes no rush
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# ? Jul 29, 2020 22:11 |
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the IDF would totally be the guy who says 20 min nr and then does it anyway
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# ? Jul 29, 2020 22:21 |
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i feel like the yom kippur war is very precisely the opposite of that
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# ? Jul 29, 2020 22:48 |
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Pinterest Mom posted:i feel like the yom kippur war is very precisely the opposite of that how about the six-day war
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# ? Jul 29, 2020 22:57 |
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Sagebrush posted:Okay but again how is StarCraft better for that than just using aerial photos of the Gaza strip? its not starcraft. its alphastar or whatever the starcraft playing ai that is better than pretty much any human.
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# ? Jul 30, 2020 00:50 |
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Glorgnole posted:just using the algorithm is the whole point of the exercise, totally independent from how effective, practical, or appropriate it is This is ML
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# ? Jul 30, 2020 01:08 |
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Carthag Tuek posted:training a tank with starcraft AI is some tesla-tier bullshit Glorgnole posted:just using the algorithm is the whole point of the exercise, totally independent from how effective, practical, or appropriate it is
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# ? Jul 30, 2020 01:24 |
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https://twitter.com/JSEllenberg/status/1289018551806894081
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# ? Jul 31, 2020 15:18 |
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whoever could have foreseen this
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animist posted:strongly suspect they just grabbed some pretrained bag-of-words NLP model and threw a little extra fine-tuning on top guessing the laziest possible approach - 10 lines of python for a character-level rnn with the tutorial comments still in there
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