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ate shit on live tv
Feb 15, 2004

by Azathoth
I wish that dude in Colorado had laughed in the “Senior Party Official’s” face then murdered him for trespassing.

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Shear Modulus
Jun 9, 2010



dems think theyre running a loving startup accelerator not a political party

Concerned Citizen
Jul 22, 2007
Ramrod XTreme
here is a better idea than giving 10k a month to the state parties and then a $10 million innovation award: don't give them any money, and also dissolve them

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008

Happy Communist Manifesto publication page, comrades :ussr:

Mandoric
Mar 15, 2003

Concerned Citizen posted:

none of them are facing serious primaries from the left

the centrists voted for it because dems are bad on surveillance, as they are on many national security/foreign policy issues

that's the point
there are a whole bunch of no-voting bad dems on there who are otherwise reliable votes for surveillance but are going to :smugdog: about purity tests all through the primary, enabled by whipping the 19 primary-safest members to provide a supermajority anyway

Concerned Citizen
Jul 22, 2007
Ramrod XTreme

Mandoric posted:

that's the point
there are a whole bunch of no-voting bad dems on there who are otherwise reliable votes for surveillance but are going to :smugdog: about purity tests all through the primary, enabled by whipping the 19 primary-safest members to provide a supermajority anyway

the primaries you are talking about literally don't exist, no one is facing a serious primary challenge

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold
DSA should have organized itself as a political party at the 2017 convention. hopefully the succ of late 2018 will cause most to reconsider for the 2019 convention

HiHo ChiRho
Oct 23, 2010


gently caress you for making me check

SKULL.GIF
Jan 20, 2017


loquacius posted:

Happy Communist Manifesto publication page, comrades :ussr:

69 pages to go until the big one

Concerned Citizen
Jul 22, 2007
Ramrod XTreme

Raskolnikov38 posted:

DSA should have organized itself as a political party at the 2017 convention. hopefully the succ of late 2018 will cause most to reconsider for the 2019 convention

the dsa can't even field candidates in 99% of the country so i'm not sure what purpose forming a political party has other than making them even less relevant

SKULL.GIF
Jan 20, 2017


Concerned Citizen posted:

the dsa can't even field candidates in 99% of the country so i'm not sure what purpose forming a political party has other than making them even less relevant

join the dsa

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Concerned Citizen posted:

the dsa can't even field candidates in 99% of the country so i'm not sure what purpose forming a political party has other than making them even less relevant

because you gotta build up from literally nothing so getting started on that the sooner the better. the dems will never reform and never improve

Agean90
Jun 28, 2008


Raskolnikov38 posted:

because you gotta build up from literally nothing so getting started on that the sooner the better. the dems will never reform and never improve

imo its easier to recruit as an activist group because most people are leary about political parties

logikv9
Mar 5, 2009


Ham Wrangler
do it

MaxxBot
Oct 6, 2003

you could have clapped

you should have clapped!!
The only principle that American political centrists have other than rewarding big corporations is giving the military and intelligence community every single thing they want.

Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:
no the dsa shouldnt become its own party lmao it should crowd out the boomer dems as they die (maybe hasten the process????? check with the dsa poisoners workgroup on that one)

Concerned Citizen
Jul 22, 2007
Ramrod XTreme

Raskolnikov38 posted:

because you gotta build up from literally nothing so getting started on that the sooner the better. the dems will never reform and never improve

what exactly is the difference between a dsa party and the already-existing green party, which is ten times larger than dsa

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008

SKULL.GIF posted:

69 pages to go until the big one

nice

Grondoth
Feb 18, 2011
Greens aren't socialists.

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Concerned Citizen posted:

what exactly is the difference between a dsa party and the already-existing green party, which is ten times larger than dsa

crystals

Concerned Citizen
Jul 22, 2007
Ramrod XTreme

Grondoth posted:

Greens aren't socialists.

they're eco-socialists now

Concerned Citizen has issued a correction as of 05:07 on Jan 17, 2018

Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:
i love the dsa bc theyre the only serious political movement dumb enough to caucus with anarchists

Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:
well of modern ones i mean..... because the soviets were dumb enough to caucus with the anarchists the revolution happened then they got t9 purge the anarchists on their own time. but im sure history will be different this time

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold
always purge anarchists

WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo

Raskolnikov38 posted:

DSA should have organized itself as a political party at the 2017 convention. hopefully the succ of late 2018 will cause most to reconsider for the 2019 convention

what’s the difference between that and PSL or WWP or any other socialist electoral party

logikv9
Mar 5, 2009


Ham Wrangler
do it, make your dreams come true

WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo
https://twitter.com/SeanMcElwee/status/953486626570866688

HiHo ChiRho
Oct 23, 2010

Concerned Citizen posted:

the dsa can't even field candidates in 99% of the country so i'm not sure what purpose forming a political party has other than making them even less relevant

SKULL.GIF posted:

join the dsa

I mean zegermans paid enough money to become a member so what is stopping you? You have nothing to lose but your #imwithher lanyards

Concerned Citizen
Jul 22, 2007
Ramrod XTreme
even if there were a dsa in my area, which there is not, i do not wish to join them

HiHo ChiRho
Oct 23, 2010

Well then have you heard the good word of Chairman Bob, then?

Concerned Citizen
Jul 22, 2007
Ramrod XTreme
there is now an our revolution branch but the person in charge is a nut who pleaded guilty to beating his girlfriend some years ago, so i'm fine i think

ate shit on live tv
Feb 15, 2004

by Azathoth

Al! posted:

well of modern ones i mean..... because the soviets were dumb enough to caucus with the anarchists the revolution happened then they got t9 purge the anarchists on their own time. but im sure history will be different this time

Anarchists were the first useful idiots, plus since they are idiots, it's no loss when you purge them.

ate shit on live tv
Feb 15, 2004

by Azathoth

Concerned Citizen posted:

there is now an our revolution branch but the person in charge is a nut who pleaded guilty to beating his girlfriend some years ago, so i'm fine i think

Beating his girlfriend? drat, how can you possibly join an organization who includes someone who has sinned. Much better to support the status quo of corruption, glad-hand nepotism and slave owning, imo.

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

ate poo poo on live tv posted:

Beating his girlfriend? drat, how can you possibly join an organization who includes someone who has sinned. Much better to support the status quo of corruption, glad-hand nepotism and slave owning, imo.

CC is in like montana or something so that dude is also probably 100% of the our revolution branch's membership

Grondoth
Feb 18, 2011
The only state without a DSA branch is South Dakota, for some reason.

SKULL.GIF
Jan 20, 2017


Concerned Citizen posted:

even if there were a dsa in my area, which there is not, i do not wish to join them

lol even wj and zg were willing to pony up

Concerned Citizen
Jul 22, 2007
Ramrod XTreme

SKULL.GIF posted:

lol even wj and zg were willing to pony up

there are elements i like about dsa, but i'm not going to get overtly involved in party factionalism. i work with state parties, progressive groups that are actively hostile to them, and others in-between.

ate shit on live tv
Feb 15, 2004

by Azathoth
I know the DSA isn't a political party per se, but if they decide to start getting elected, is their plan to primary Dems exclusively, or be more strategic and attempt to influence the majority party? i.e. In NY you'd have your members register Dem, but in someplace like like Montana or Alaska or w/e, have their members register Republican, and win that way?

SKULL.GIF
Jan 20, 2017


Concerned Citizen posted:

there are elements i like about dsa, but i'm not going to get overtly involved in party factionalism. i work with state parties, progressive groups that are actively hostile to them, and others in-between.

actually yeah fair enough

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ate shit on live tv
Feb 15, 2004

by Azathoth

Concerned Citizen posted:

there are elements i like about dsa, but i'm not going to get overtly involved in party factionalism. i work with state parties, progressive groups that are actively hostile to them, and others in-between.

But not the DSA for reasons?

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