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You can revive multiple times if you die, revive, deathblow to get rid of the cool down, die etc
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Deified Data posted:I've been trying to figure it out on my own the whole game but I've just accepted I never will - what exactly do the two orbs above your vitality mean? 1 orb comes back whenever you rest and 1 orb fills up gradually as you kill enemies. After you revive you use up one of the orbs and can’t use the other one until you do a deathblow. Basically you can’t revive twice on one phase of a boss, but you can revive on one phase,clear that phase, and then revive again on the second phase, provided you went in with two full orbs
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Mar 28, 2019 18:17
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The Skeleton King posted:poo poo! poo poo! I killed the friendly guy you find right at the drunk fat man with sword fight! I snuck up to him and mashed attack and by the time he could tell me to stop I hit him a whole lot and made him hostile. Now he’s dead and I only have one gourd charge and no pellets and drunk man is far far far beyond my abilities. Am I permanently hosed now? I don’t think I am capable of defeating any of the strong named enemies He actually revives if you rest or respawn, this game doesn’t have the same NPC mechanics as Dark Souls
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Mar 28, 2019 18:18
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Deified Data posted:I've been trying to figure it out on my own the whole game but I've just accepted I never will - what exactly do the two orbs above your vitality mean? you can revive multiple times. you just have to do a deathblow in between to refresh it, ie. remove the black line crossing it out. possibly there are more complexities, but more than once I've died to a boss, revived, gotten the first deathblow and restored my rez availability, and subsequently died and used it. unsure if any deathblow is enough or if different enemies give different "values," like doing a boss deathblow restores it but not just a single mook would.
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Mar 28, 2019 18:19
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Ah okay, so the first orb is the deathblow orb that comes back on a cooldown and the second is the freebie from the shrines. I'm assuming you can get multiple freebies later in the game? I have an item from Lady Butterfly that implies so but I have no way of using it
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Mar 28, 2019 18:21
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It'd be funny if dragonrot affected the enemies too. You die enough that every single enemy in the game is bent over coughing and you get to instantly deathblow them. Dynamic difficulty!
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Mar 28, 2019 18:26
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I feel like I don’t quite “get” the parry system. Is it worth trying to parry enemies that attack immediately after being parried? My heart says yes but my brain says I loving suck at parrying and trying to combo parry is far beyond my ability and too risky. Can I just dodge their follow up attack and go back in? Or will I never win if I do that? Do I have to mash my head into paste trying to get good at parrying or is it possible to use dodging effectively in this?Augus posted:He actually revives if you rest or respawn, this game doesn’t have the same NPC mechanics as Dark Souls Oh thank god.
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Mar 28, 2019 18:27
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The Skeleton King posted:I feel like I don’t quite “get” the parry system. Is it worth trying to parry enemies that attack immediately after being parried? My heart says yes but my brain says I loving suck at parrying and trying to combo parry is far beyond my ability and too risky. Can I just dodge their follow up attack and go back in? Or will I never win if I do that? Do I have to mash my head into paste trying to get good at parrying or is it possible to use dodging effectively in this? You can parry repeatedly E: Can and must
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Mar 28, 2019 18:30
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The Skeleton King posted:I feel like I don’t quite “get” the parry system. Is it worth trying to parry enemies that attack immediately after being parried? My heart says yes but my brain says I loving suck at parrying and trying to combo parry is far beyond my ability and too risky. Can I just dodge their follow up attack and go back in? Or will I never win if I do that? Do I have to mash my head into paste trying to get good at parrying or is it possible to use dodging effectively in this? Parrying is always better than just blocking, but it's fairly forgiving in that a lot of the time for rapid attacks you can just rapid press L1 and you'll either get a block or a parry. There's virtually no start-up frames for blocking, just watch your posture to make sure you're not about to get broken. Also remember that holding block makes your posture recover faster.
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Mar 28, 2019 18:30
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The Skeleton King posted:I feel like I don’t quite “get” the parry system. Is it worth trying to parry enemies that attack immediately after being parried? My heart says yes but my brain says I loving suck at parrying and trying to combo parry is far beyond my ability and too risky. Can I just dodge their follow up attack and go back in? Or will I never win if I do that? Do I have to mash my head into paste trying to get good at parrying or is it possible to use dodging effectively in this? A big part of this game is the posture system, which basically boils down to "whoever is more aggressive and using up less stamina is going to win" So when you're wailing on a boss, and they're doing block, block, parry, they're still taking posture damage. Especially when they're just getting the standard block off. So if you are getting way more successful parries off than they are, you're going to start wearing them down even if they are blocking most of your attacks. So yeah, it is worth trying to parry a counterattack, because the longer you can stay up in their face the more posture damage you can rack up.
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Mar 28, 2019 18:31
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Motherfucker I had the boss down to a single attack in order to final deathblow and i loving used a combat art by accident which made me eat a huge attack and die. I loving hate combat arts
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Mar 28, 2019 18:31
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goblin week posted:Does Guardian Ape have any obvious openings in the second phase? I feel like all I can do is run forever Maybe this will hopefully help. When he does his four combo sword swing? You can hug him to the left, after his two sword swings, he delays, and you can attack him from behind for a few hits. It's the fourth combo that has a bit hitbox that can hit you. When he belly dives at you, he does just one long sweep slash which again, get in his face and smack him once or twice.
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Mar 28, 2019 18:32
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The Skeleton King posted:I feel like I don’t quite “get” the parry system. Is it worth trying to parry enemies that attack immediately after being parried? My heart says yes but my brain says I loving suck at parrying and trying to combo parry is far beyond my ability and too risky. Can I just dodge their follow up attack and go back in? Or will I never win if I do that? Do I have to mash my head into paste trying to get good at parrying or is it possible to use dodging effectively in this?
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Mar 28, 2019 18:32
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The more and faster an enemy attacks you, the easier it is to literally button mash parry without taking a single hit. It's the big hits with weird timings that gently caress me up.
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Mar 28, 2019 18:32
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Deified Data posted:The more and faster an enemy attacks you, the easier it is to literally button mash parry without taking a single hit. It's the big hits with weird timings that gently caress me up. Yeah eventually you fight mobs that will literally rush you with a ton of attacks and the strat is just mash that parry till the big final attack is going to happen.
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Mar 28, 2019 18:36
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I like the ashina elite miniboss because if you can do two quick deflects in a row he gets absolutely owned and it feels amazing
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Mar 28, 2019 18:38
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seems like a good moment to bring up that me and at least one other person are under the impression that the demon bell curse makes parry timings more stringent so something to keep in mind if you're running around with it all willy-nilly
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Mar 28, 2019 18:39
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Jose posted:Motherfucker I had the boss down to a single attack in order to final deathblow and i loving used a combat art by accident which made me eat a huge attack and die. I loving hate combat arts I accidentally Ichimonji at least twice in a big fight, and like 60% of the time I happen to use it perfectly and just get a big gently caress-off hit on the enemy. Feels good.
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Mar 28, 2019 18:39
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Mar 28, 2019 18:41
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c'mon he makes them into a necklace smdh
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Mar 28, 2019 18:42
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the heck do you think he does with the necklace
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Mar 28, 2019 18:42
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i don't see this mechanic specifically pointed out too often but if you attack an enemy that's blocking and then see an orange flash on their weapon - that's an indicator that they're about to counter attack you. deflecting THOSE specific orange flash attacks and then doing the counter-slash followup attack are the "key attacks" that let you do significant posture damage to most humanoid enemies, including bosses. you can deflect/parry all day on regular swings and it won't really do much aside from save you posture damage (which is still good), but the idea is that you press the attack until you see the orange flash, deflect their counter, and then go crazy on hitting them to deal meaningful posture damage. grasping this mechanic and using it (doing it to seven spears ashina spear guy will send him staggering off to the side, after which hitting him a lot will deal a LOT of posture damage) will allow you to up your game a LOT and is oftentimes the key to defeat enemies quickly
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Mar 28, 2019 18:43
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Yorkshire Pudding posted:I accidentally Ichimonji at least twice in a big fight, and like 60% of the time I happen to use it perfectly and just get a big gently caress-off hit on the enemy. Feels good. feels bad dying to a boss on the last hit to an easily dodge and countered attack when you hadn't made the 2nd phase before or since
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Mar 28, 2019 18:45
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Deified Data posted:Ah okay, so the first orb is the deathblow orb that comes back on a cooldown and the second is the freebie from the shrines. No the line crossing them out after you rez is the deathblow cooldown. The second orb is slowly filled by killing enemies. Its the "resurrection power" and that one balloon makes it fill faster
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Mar 28, 2019 18:48
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Augus posted:did you throw any shuriken at her while she was jumping around No, i just jump up and slash her out of the air
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Mar 28, 2019 18:49
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The Skeleton King posted:I feel like I don’t quite “get” the parry system. Is it worth trying to parry enemies that attack immediately after being parried? My heart says yes but my brain says I loving suck at parrying and trying to combo parry is far beyond my ability and too risky. Can I just dodge their follow up attack and go back in? Or will I never win if I do that? Do I have to mash my head into paste trying to get good at parrying or is it possible to use dodging effectively in this? If you're struggling, try parrying and then just holding block for awhile after that, until you see another clear parry moment. You can dodge but its usually not great, more meant for specific attacks. Deflect is optimal.
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Mar 28, 2019 18:49
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Jose posted:feels bad dying to a boss on the last hit to an easily dodge and countered attack when you hadn't made the 2nd phase before or since Genichiro loving wrecked me because as he was walking towards me I'd go into Axe Attack, and he would instantly do his "Side Dodge into sweep" attack. It got me like 15 times and I swear I never once saw him do it normally, only as a reaction to my axe.
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Mar 28, 2019 18:50
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MMF Freeway posted:I like the ashina elite miniboss because if you can do two quick deflects in a row he gets absolutely owned and it feels amazing Fighting him right now and I just did that. It did feel good, but I still died afterwards.
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Mar 28, 2019 18:51
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Bosses will absolutely read what you're doing and change their attacks
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Mar 28, 2019 18:51
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After defeating the final boss everything goes quiet and you get a prompt for a final death blow to finish the fight off. I opened the inventory at this point (because my roommate wanted to know what I was yelling about) and then sat for a solid minute contemplating using the Homeward Idol to reset the fight, after having taken something like sixty attempts to finally achieve victory. I decided against it and went into NG+ I think I made the wrong decision. God drat, two days on and I still can't get over how incredibly good that fight was. Best in the series, no question.
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Mar 28, 2019 18:52
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HenryEx posted:No, i just jump up and slash her out of the air shurikens are super effective against airborn enemies and especially if you buy the upgrade upgrade for them they shred LB to pieces. please read item descriptions in the future tia
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Mar 28, 2019 18:53
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Augus posted:shurikens are super effective against airborn enemies and especially if you buy the upgrade upgrade for them they shred LB to pieces. She so rarely goes into the air though, and it's either a jump away where i immediately follow anyways, or that weird dive kick that i punish via axe anyways wait are you telling me a shuriken does more damage than an axe
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Mar 28, 2019 18:56
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also, upgrades for tools? what are you even talking about
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Mar 28, 2019 18:57
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lol gently caress this boss. it did the 2 shuriken into leap attack and hit my firecracker mid leap. I did a charge attack and despite him being blinded the fucker mikiri countered me
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Mar 28, 2019 18:57
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MMF Freeway posted:I like the ashina elite miniboss because if you can do two quick deflects in a row he gets absolutely owned and it feels amazing He's basically there to teach you that exact lesson. That bosses will have long combo strings that seem intimidating at first, but you have to start seeing those more as opportunities to do posture damage via parries. Now, most bosses won't be as completely owned by a few parries as the Ashina Elite, most of them require you to whittle their health bar down at least a bit before their posture regen stops being a factor. But the ease and speed of doing rapid fire parries is something you have to absorb if you're gonna have any shot of progressing very far in the game.
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Mar 28, 2019 18:57
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HenryEx posted:also, upgrades for tools? what are you even talking about if you back off of lady butterfly and go elsewhere you can get upgrades for tools
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Mar 28, 2019 18:58
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HenryEx posted:also, upgrades for tools? what are you even talking about defeating the first boss (note: the game's first boss is not lady butterfly) gets you an item you can bring to the sculptor that lets you upgrade your ninja tools the first upgrade to the shuriken lets you charge it for a second to basically turn the shuriken into a tiny buzz saw that deals hefty posture damage to anything in midair
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Mar 28, 2019 19:00
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Sounds good, but, sunk cost fallacy by the way, i used that dragon blood thing but it doesn't seem to have done anything, everyone is still sick.
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Mar 28, 2019 19:02
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HenryEx posted:She so rarely goes into the air though, and it's either a jump away where i immediately follow anyways, or that weird dive kick that i punish via axe anyways
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MMF Freeway posted:I like the ashina elite miniboss because if you can do two quick deflects in a row he gets absolutely owned and it feels amazing I could never get that down. Jumping diagonally to the right works like a charm
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