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Sindai posted:Why think about consistency in the world or characters when you can just That's the sort of lazy writing I wouldn't even conceive. Often, the first idea about a scenario is the least interesting one, as a writer myself, I've long since internalized the idea of stepping back and thinking about the most interesting and consistent way to advance a scene. Even if it requires tossing in an unprecedented ambush, it at least would be interesting and provide new hooks to expand upon.
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Robindaybird posted:the sort of fart you really shouldn't have trusted. So that's where the "change" comes in, right? 
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That left side right side gag is the high point of all this, isn't it?Malachite_Dragon posted:Well I mean if you want to get super technical, a fart is a kind of wind. Chapter Five: That is Deeply Stupid
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I rather suspect the main reason we're alright with the BDSM bear is that his image is apparently larger than the screen so we don't see his neon pink mohawk or something. Admittedly I don't know anything about VN making, but wouldn't it make more sense to have the "normal" sized characters just a bit smaller and the "big" one fit on the screen?
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CommissarMega posted:What does the shirt say? I thought it was 'Mai Waifu Is 4 Laifu' at first glance, but that doesn't seem to be the case. Curus Keel posted:Hell, even the characters being originally fursonas doesn't explain the weird club theming going on everywhere. There are plenty of examples of fursonas that have general everyday look to them, with clothing that looks in place on both human or anthropomorphized creature alike. I seriously wonder whether it would be better to enforce the self-insert backers to make up their own character exclusive to the game, perhaps calling dibs on predefined roles, or just reducing the number of self-inserts so that it's easier to work them into the game. anilEhilated posted:I rather suspect the main reason we're alright with the BDSM bear is that his image is apparently larger than the screen so we don't see his neon pink mohawk or something. Admittedly I don't know anything about VN making, but wouldn't it make more sense to have the "normal" sized characters just a bit smaller and the "big" one fit on the screen? Cathode Raymond posted:Can you do a version of CogFace that's exactly the same except with teeth all around his mouth like a lamprey? Because that's how I pictured him.  
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I appreciate that Klace decided to have literally every single solitary place, person, and situation Rabies runs into be actively disappointing. And not just in the "it's badly written so we as readers are disappointed" sense, no, they're called out as lovely in-universe. Everywhere we go, Rabies thinks "hey this place is kinda lovely" and then somebody arrives to say "hi, sorry the place is kinda lovely, and also that I'm terrible at my job. Have I mentioned that I'm emotionally compromised and dislike every other character you've met?" And then nothing important happens, and Rabies makes an internal note about what a huge anticlimax it was.
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blankd posted:Zain is right, "My Waifu Is My Laifu" Sorry about the messy writing! No worries, judging by the timestamp I was probably half-asleep at the time- taking a week+ off can really mess with one's sleep cycle blankd posted:Other projects that I've seen that allow self-inserts tend to have the character dress up appropriately if they have significant screen time. Due to the amount of extra resources needed to work with the backer and achieve a compromise with the work, this is why self-inserts are almost always the topmost reward tiers. Seeing so many is baffling at best and infuriating at worst. Considering how elaborate the self-inserts are designed though, would it really have been more effort to dress them up appropriately? 
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Blarghalt posted:I see a forlorn look in their eyes. I can tell that life for them is less than stellar. [...] One day -- they would wear faces of true happiness. You know what's a great resource for writers? It's a free, online, automated service called SlickWrite. It'll do (most) everything an actual editor will help you with: spelling and grammar errors, overuse of certain words or phrases, cliches/colloquialisms, overuse of adverbs (which is a common mistake most amateur writers make), and a whole slew of others. It being a machine, it's not perfect, but it's an amazing tool to help improve your writing. If Klace is so staunchly against taking criticisms from a person, maybe he'll have an easier time being told his mistakes from a computer. I bring this up because I remember writing a sentence like the quoted one when I was 12. quote:That fills me with determination to change this world. Don't even pretend this wasn't a fuckin' wink-wink to compare this game's protag to Undertale's, as if they were comparable.
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So what are the odds that Klace forgets to tell the player the actual fate of the missing mother? Now we just need a name for the species of horrifying cog monster Rabies belongs to and we'll have our own original creation to post a massive write-up about on DeviantArt. 
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This is art, dont you ever stop.
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CommissarMega posted:Considering how elaborate the self-inserts are designed though, would it really have been more effort to dress them up appropriately? Yapping Eevee posted:Now we just need a name for the species of horrifying cog monster Rabies belongs to and we'll have our own original creation to post a massive write-up about on DeviantArt.
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Maple Leaf posted:You know what's a great resource for writers? It's a free, online, automated service called SlickWrite. It'll do (most) everything an actual editor will help you with: spelling and grammar errors, overuse of certain words or phrases, cliches/colloquialisms, overuse of adverbs (which is a common mistake most amateur writers make), and a whole slew of others. It being a machine, it's not perfect, but it's an amazing tool to help improve your writing. If Klace is so staunchly against taking criticisms from a person, maybe he'll have an easier time being told his mistakes from a computer. e: Its own demo misidentifies several parts of speech and calls "there was" a "wordy or redundant phrase"! FractalSandwich fucked around with this message at 13:29 on Dec 28, 2016 |
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I'm sitting in my car waiting for the train and people are wondering why it's rocking back and forth It's because of Konrad all bound up in belts and a ballgag Jesus Christ
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Why is this artist incapable of drawing anything other than happy furries. Seriously, Righty is supposed to be some mysterious assassin that always is looking for money, yet he just has a dopey smile on his face all the time. I get that Klace only wanted to use one portrait for some ungodly reason, but couldn't he have commissioned something that at least fit the character's primary emotion?
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blankd posted:I don't know what the self-inserts originally looked like but I want to say a responsible creator would have communicated the limitations that would cull the neon colors, piercings, etc. from the start and that in of itself would probably save the most headaches.
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blankd posted:Other projects that I've seen that allow self-inserts tend to have the character dress up appropriately if they have significant screen time. Due to the amount of extra resources needed to work with the backer and achieve a compromise with the work, this is why self-inserts are almost always the topmost reward tiers. Seeing so many is baffling at best and infuriating at worst. I'm starting to think the backers were just paying to have a reasonably talented artist do a pin-up art of their raved out fursonas and did not give a not a lot of consideration to where/how the character would appear in the story. I mean, the artist is proficient even if the art is just so bland and tasteless. All the piercings and belts and neon colors strikes me as such "Special Snowflake" thing that I just end up rolling my eyes or recoiling back in horror like with that day-glow pony thing. blankd posted:Wish granted. And a bonus I guess. I hated that dumb personality test. This, on the other hand, is great. The wolf character is just cracking me up.
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Furries don't have primary emotions for their character portraits other than: * happy and approachable * horny * coquettish * emo gothy
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GOD drat IT!!! I wasn't prepared for this. I freaked out my sleeping dog because I laughing so hard.
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SPROCKETMAAAAAAN Cruising in the Ark out there alooooone
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anilEhilated posted:I rather suspect the main reason we're alright with the BDSM bear is that his image is apparently larger than the screen so we don't see his neon pink mohawk or something. Admittedly I don't know anything about VN making, but wouldn't it make more sense to have the "normal" sized characters just a bit smaller and the "big" one fit on the screen? Actually, if you look at his portrait in the dialogue boxes, you can see his hair and it's a pretty reasonable style and a reasonable brown. 
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I also like how Rabies could immediately tell that the bear had a "tribesman" accent. Despite this being his first hour on the planet.
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Data Graham posted:I also like how Rabies could immediately tell that the bear had a "tribesman" accent. Despite this being his first hour on the planet. What consists of a tribesman accent?
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quote:His voice is very deep. And his accent is thick. Like what you'd expect from a band of tribesmen. Wherever he's from -- he's not from around here.
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CommissarMega posted:I know, right? If you gave me that portrait absent of any context, I'd have no problem using it in an Ironclaw or D&D game. Wonder if the person behind it is equally 'normal' (for a given value of 'normal', of course). They had poor enough judgement to back this game, it's just that big muscledude style characters end up looking less stupid because the people who are into that don't also go for neon rave colorscheme, generally speaking. Edit: blankd, please don't stop. Those pictures are amazing and justify this entire thread purely for their existence. Obligatum VII fucked around with this message at 16:48 on Dec 28, 2016 |
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Anoia posted:I'm kinda afraid to know the answer to this, but is there fan art/fiction for this game? And if so, did the fursona owners get mad about it? A trip to E621.net  showed a single picture of a rabbit (with either really silly hairspikes or 4 ears so who knows) doing a facepalm saying the game is awful when I searched for Major/minor. That was heartening. Less so when I searched for one of the characters and remember that these were fan "characters" and found porn cause its E621 so I immediately stopped.So I guess fan art exists in that pictures of the characters loving probably existed before the game. Crazy Ferret fucked around with this message at 16:44 on Dec 28, 2016 |
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Waffleman_ posted:Actually, if you look at his portrait in the dialogue boxes, you can see his hair and it's a pretty reasonable style and a reasonable brown.
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anilEhilated posted:Come to think of that, this has been bothering me for a while and I finally managed to put my finger on it: why the gently caress do they have "hair" separate from the fur? Because a lot of furries can't comprehend that you can give an anthropomorphic animal a hair style without literally giving them a human hair wig. Despite numerous sources, including other, less imaginatively bankrupt furries, proving otherwise. Basically, it just comes down to bad art direction as an endemic problem. Same thing that leads to the neon raver color schemes.
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Obligatum VII posted:Because a lot of furries can't comprehend that you can give an anthropomorphic animal a hair style without literally giving them a human hair wig. Despite numerous sources, including other, less imaginatively bankrupt furries, proving otherwise. It's also because they can't give them enough of a style/character design period. It's like the crazy hair colors in anime being used to differentiate otherwise very samey looking characters.
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Data Graham posted:His voice is very deep. And his accent is thick. Like what you'd expect from a band of tribesmen. Wherever he's from -- he's not from around here. On the other hand, you want to do it with nuance because lines like "Tell zem to kheep zayre mouths ZHUT!" are distracting and kinda offensive. A little seasoning goes a long way. So maybe it's just as well Klace didn't try to be ambitious here.
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blankd posted:Other projects that I've seen that allow self-inserts tend to have the character dress up appropriately if they have significant screen time. Due to the amount of extra resources needed to work with the backer and achieve a compromise with the work, this is why self-inserts are almost always the topmost reward tiers. Seeing so many is baffling at best and infuriating at worst. Pretty much, that's the game's proof. A bunch of self-insert characters in a game, even if done out of goodwill, will result in a cast that's really hard to make a story out of. In fact, even M/M had to resort to making new characters for the female side of things, 'cause nobody with a female character as their default wanted to pay to be in this game. The game would at least be more manageable for the creator if the ratio of self-inserts to original characters was reversed. drat, this is the kind of artwork that makes me glad for this thread's existence. Half tempted to ask if I can even commission you, but drat, you're a machine with this. megane posted:I appreciate that Klace decided to have literally every single solitary place, person, and situation Rabies runs into be actively disappointing. And not just in the "it's badly written so we as readers are disappointed" sense, no, they're called out as lovely in-universe. Everywhere we go, Rabies thinks "hey this place is kinda lovely" and then somebody arrives to say "hi, sorry the place is kinda lovely, and also that I'm terrible at my job. Have I mentioned that I'm emotionally compromised and dislike every other character you've met?" And then nothing important happens, and Rabies makes an internal note about what a huge anticlimax it was. Lampshading the own deficits in your story does not automatically make the story funnier or better. What it indicates is enough care to see the issues, but not enough to actually address them. Carlioo posted:I get that Klace only wanted to use one portrait for some ungodly reason, but couldn't he have commissioned something that at least fit the character's primary emotion? He commissioned all the art beforehand before figuring out where to even use it, so he went with the default "dopey smile" that most commissioners who can't think of anything better go with. This is going to cause problems, y'see. Crazy Ferret posted:I'm starting to think the backers were just paying to have a reasonably talented artist do a pin-up art of their raved out fursonas and did not give a not a lot of consideration to where/how the character would appear in the story. I mean, the artist is proficient even if the art is just so bland and tasteless. All the piercings and belts and neon colors strikes me as such "Special Snowflake" thing that I just end up rolling my eyes or recoiling back in horror like with that day-glow pony thing. Ding-dala-ding. What's worse is that the aforementioned pony thing was original to this game, being one of the female characters. So Klace and/or the artist had to design it from scratch, and yet their efforts made something that looks about the same as the rando self inserts, if not worse. Believe it or not, early in the game's release, there was actually an OC design that's even worse. Have a look at the character which I'm pretty sure was once Caylen:   Bonus: While talking about earlier versions of the game, at an early point the reporter didn't have a character assigned to it. It only got the character it did after a YCH auction for that spot. Crazy Ferret posted:A trip to E621.net Yeah, I'd advise not looking up the characters on furry sites unless you want to find porn. On FurAffinity, however, crawling around there I did find a few examples of actual fanart - I think this counts, Klace actually uploaded it to his page there:  One guy though seems to be the main source of fan-art for this game - I compiled the ones that were fairly work safe into this album. The ones that are .. well, one shows Konrad bent over drunk with his rear end completely exposed, the other shows the artist's sona character undressing right in front of Reiyo/Furry Outsider within the Ark. Yeeeeaaaah... should I really even be linking these to the LP thread?Obligatum VII posted:Because a lot of furries can't comprehend that you can give an anthropomorphic animal a hair style without literally giving them a human hair wig. Despite numerous sources, including other, less imaginatively bankrupt furries, proving otherwise. This, exactly. Hell, you can make dragons really distinct even if you give them no hair, all by carefully sculpting the design and colors to an imaginative yet easy to understand form.
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Zain posted:What consists of a tribesman accent? "What? Everyone knows what a 'tribesman accent' sounds like!" - Klace, probably E: Crazy Ferret posted:I'm starting to think the backers were just paying to have a reasonably talented artist do a pin-up art of their raved out fursonas and did not give a not a lot of consideration to where/how the character would appear in the story. I mean, the artist is proficient even if the art is just so bland and tasteless. All the piercings and belts and neon colors strikes me as such "Special Snowflake" thing that I just end up rolling my eyes or recoiling back in horror like with that day-glow pony thing. They really do look like "About Me" page/con badge/business card character portraits, with the generic "Look how loving fun and interesting I think my character is" pose. I honestly feel terrible for the artist of this game; they put effort into this where I'd just be like, "gently caress it." (Or rather, "gently caress you," in the case of those goddamn rabbits...  )And blank'd, please never stop. Rahonavis fucked around with this message at 20:47 on Dec 28, 2016 |
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blankd posted:There's no hard rule about it, most tend to just drop the bigger character so that their face is visible/on the same level as all the other characters. Some will give a specific cutaway for the bigger char. If this had been done in Renpy he could have used the scale OR position command on the sprites if he "had" to work with a static sprite and just couldn't edit the image itself. The display-image command in RPG Maker has arguments for scaling, so it'd be possible either way. That being said, I don't really see anything wrong with the way Kodiak MacCleod is presented. If you have one towering character and a full cast of normal-sized characters (or smaller, in the case of dead-mom-boy), it's probably better to just make him too big for the frame than to have everybody else be tiny the rest of the time.
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