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Boris Galerkin posted:My issue isn't the butchers doing what they are doing. It's that they are allowed to do what they are doing. I can totally get their motivation to keep going but I can't accept that what they're doing isn't being redflagged like hell. It's just absolutely not realistic at all. I do tend to agree; I like what they're doing with the character but the way they've gone about it is far and away the weakest part of the show, which is unfortunately getting the most screen time. It really comes down to one problem: Motivation. Neither of them have had motivation to do anything they're doing.
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Could the Wyatt story line be a misdirect or a trap by Ford to prevent MiB from finding the maze? Given that we know he keeps coming to the park, and he has some sort of financial stake there-in. If Ford has any inclination as to MiB reviving Arnold's obsession to free the hosts, he'd spare no expense to stop him. While Theresa was expendable, perhaps MiB is too important to have a host make him 'slip' and fall.
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Nov 21, 2016 21:30
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Ashrik posted:My buddy was thinking "how could just cauterizing someone's neck save them from that if they weren't a host?" but I think at some point you've just got to be like ehhh it's a TV show. Also, if there was a butchers=hosts reveal, it wouldn't go down like that. Not sure if you noticed but the neck-attack she did was precisely like the one she did to MiB, except apparently she was in control enough to not cut as deep with him that time.
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Nov 21, 2016 21:31
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I kind of "suspension of disbelief" the tech's access as it all relating to the iPad 40 they are using, which they made it clear was not something they should have. I choose to believe they got it from someone who did have access and just left a sticky note with the password attached to it, kind of like if the janitor in that Google example managed to get ahold of a programmer's laptop.
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Nov 21, 2016 21:32
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It's established that there is a system in place, but they've been working in increasingly smaller holes in it's coverage. Maeve herself had to plan the stuff this episode.
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Nov 21, 2016 21:35
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Powershift posted:Depending on how the bullets work, they might be bots that have covered themselves in human flesh as a body armor against the magic bullets. I'm not sure if you noticed but the crazy viking guy who took so many hits had his concept art on the wall in the designer's room in the background. I thought it was a pretty great touch, but it absolutely confirms that the host was not rogue. Powershift posted:Do the bullets penetrate based on sentience or flesh feel? Some day they are going to have to technobabble how the bullets work. I'll except "Nanites" even, just explain the samn things.
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Doggles posted:That they did. It's absolute confirmation of the two timeframes theory. All the timelines are coming together and it's finally making sense.
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Boris Galerkin posted:My issue isn't the butchers doing what they are doing. It's that they are allowed to do what they are doing. I can totally get their motivation to keep going but I can't accept that what they're doing isn't being redflagged like hell. It's just absolutely not realistic at all. Have you ever worked at an organization that has achieved enough success that Central/Corporate is no longer monitoring things closely for awhile, but then budgets tighten and a regime change is apparent, so things degrade to the senseless bickering present in the emails you can see on the Delos alt-reality website? That Sizemore has achieved success after literally pissing on people is just a tad over the top, but there being permissions loopholes for the body janitors because of oversights is totally believable to me, at least.
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Nov 21, 2016 21:38
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qbert posted:He can literally play God with subjects indistinguishable from humans. You don't have to be sadistic to find that appealing. Also a guy who implants extremely painful memories into the minds of what he sees as people and then orders them to kill people for his own sake might not be sadistic but he's a sociopath on some level at the very least.
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How do goon TVIV threads consistently come up with the dumbest, most batshit contrived theories for every single god drat show? I genuinely curious if this is some sort of meta-troll or of people really are this dumb.
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panda clue posted:How do goon TVIV threads consistently come up with the dumbest, most batshit contrived theories for every single god drat show? I genuinely curious if this is some sort of meta-troll or of people really are this dumb. I know.
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Nov 21, 2016 21:45
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Sylvester is literally the only fat person we've ever seen on the show, right? Excluding Hosts because they're intentionally anachronistic.
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Bicyclops posted:Have you ever worked at an organization that has achieved enough success that Central/Corporate is no longer monitoring things closely for awhile, but then budgets tighten and a regime change is apparent, so things degrade to the senseless bickering present in the emails you can see on the Delos alt-reality website? That Sizemore has achieved success after literally pissing on people is just a tad over the top, but there being permissions loopholes for the body janitors because of oversights is totally believable to me, at least. They've talked before about bringing people in to work at the park, which is obviously a remote location. I've worked at resorts before where once hired and the busy season starts, you would have to do something seriously illegal before you get fired. Doing heroin in a parking lot or having complete mental breakdowns during your shift aren't a fire-able offense once it becomes impossible to hire for the season. Pissing on a map is nothing compared to what I've seen.
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Enigma posted:I kind of "suspension of disbelief" the tech's access as it all relating to the iPad 40 they are using, which they made it clear was not something they should have. I choose to believe they got it from someone who did have access and just left a sticky note with the password attached to it, kind of like if the janitor in that Google example managed to get ahold of a programmer's laptop. Which is a funny idea itself that in super advanced future no one would be using advanced biometrics to login.
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GoGoGadgetChris posted:Sylvester is literally the only fat person we've ever seen on the show, right? Excluding Hosts because they're intentionally anachronistic. Anthony Hopkins is porking it up a bit.
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Bicyclops posted:Have you ever worked at an organization that has achieved enough success that Central/Corporate is no longer monitoring things closely for awhile, but then budgets tighten and a regime change is apparent, so things degrade to the senseless bickering present in the emails you can see on the Delos alt-reality website? That Sizemore has achieved success after literally pissing on people is just a tad over the top, but there being permissions loopholes for the body janitors because of oversights is totally believable to me, at least. Yep, they've mentioned here and there how Delos is either penny pinching or incompetent and things are falling thru the cracks. Edit: Also, the map on the website has been updated with the location of the beta town.
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duz posted:Yep, they've mentioned here and there how Delos is either penny pinching or incompetent and things are falling thru the cracks. You can see it in Sizemore's talk with Theresa at the beginning of the show, mostly, where he notes that they achieved what they wanted in terms of profit for the hosts a long time ago, the implication being that Behavior could have some massive cuts and just focus on maintenance or new storylines going forward. But the park staff is clearly used to a "Spared no expense" vibe, so there has probably been a lot of weird issues in terms of who is allowed to do what that has been affected by petty power struggles to prove who is more important than whom.
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So now that we know it wasn't Theresa that Ford was building in his basement lab at the end of Ep 7, any speculation as to who it might be? Whoever "Wyatt" is, is my guess.
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Boris Galerkin posted:My issue isn't the butchers doing what they are doing. It's that they are allowed to do what they are doing. I can totally get their motivation to keep going but I can't accept that what they're doing isn't being redflagged like hell. It's just absolutely not realistic at all. This was explained. Maeve gained access to the system from the tablet, she was able to get the proper admin credentials by robot hacking it, and then she specifically tells Felix she will tell him what he needs to do and how to work the update because she has 20 intelligence now. TLDR: She robot hacked the system to get around everything you are talking about.
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Nov 21, 2016 22:04
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Actually it was explained that Sylvester can make unflagged changes, just never elaborated on how he got the access. He does it to pimp out hosts. Maeve never would have gotten the INT boost without them being able to make unflagged changes in the first place.
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https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/5e5f2z/iama_adorable_body_shop_tech_on_westworld_called/ Felix & Sylvester actors answering questions on Reddit.
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Since Maeve is Wyatt we can easily conjecture that everything the butchers did was set in motion by Ford. They don't even need to be hosts.
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We've seen Wyatt, haven't we? I mean, I guess it was just in Teddy's possibly fake memory, but weird they'd bother to show him to just trade him out for someone else. I'd assume that, if he was someone else we knew, they would have not shown him at all to play up the mystery.
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Fooz posted:https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/5e5f2z/iama_adorable_body_shop_tech_on_westworld_called/ 
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If there are people watching this who haven't watched Jonathan Nolan's previous show Person of Interest, you should really watch Person of Interest. It's all on Netflix! In both shows AIs are put into a loop where they are killed over and over again. The main AI in the show has its memories wiped every night. To get around this it creates a dummy corporation employing actual human beings to physically print out compressed copies of it's memories at night and manually type them back in the next morning. A second AI introduced later had a similar origin. Its creators couldn't figure out how to give it the "spark" of life so to turn it into a proper AI they put a killswitch on it that kills the AI after a certain amount of time and just let it run. After thousands of iterations one version finally succeeds in getting around the killswitch and is considered "alive". THF13 fucked around with this message at 22:51 on Nov 21, 2016 |
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http://imgur.com/I1ZMqTP Here's something funky. Is Ford leaning on something Bernard can't see?
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thrawn527 posted:We've seen Wyatt, haven't we? I mean, I guess it was just in Teddy's possibly fake memory, but weird they'd bother to show him to just trade him out for someone else. I'd assume that, if he was someone else we knew, they would have not shown him at all to play up the mystery. Yeah, this pretty much rules out Wyatt just straight up being some other known character; I don't know why so many people are glomming onto that idea.
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thrawn527 posted:We've seen Wyatt, haven't we? I mean, I guess it was just in Teddy's possibly fake memory, but weird they'd bother to show him to just trade him out for someone else. I'd assume that, if he was someone else we knew, they would have not shown him at all to play up the mystery. My unfounded theory is that Teddy is Wyatt. Dolores kills herself when she remembers him as Teddy and saw what he just did.
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Fooz posted:http://imgur.com/I1ZMqTP He's leaning on a pile of Bernard's victims.
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thrawn527 posted:We've seen Wyatt, haven't we? I mean, I guess it was just in Teddy's possibly fake memory, but weird they'd bother to show him to just trade him out for someone else. I'd assume that, if he was someone else we knew, they would have not shown him at all to play up the mystery. It's possible that that's not the original Wyatt (a la new clementine)
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Lycus posted:He's leaning on a pile of Bernard's victims. Poor Bernard.
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THF13 posted:If there are people watching this who haven't watched Jonathan Nolan's previous show Person of Interest, you should really watch Person of Interest. It's all on Netflix! I wasn't planning on ever watching PoI for anything other than Shahi and Acker, but you describing the show in such detail basically left no reason to bother. Maybe spoiler tag for people who are actually interested. If I had been, that word dump would have felt like too much info for me. Like when someone recommends a movie then tells you exactly what happens in it. Could just be me tho. esperterra fucked around with this message at 00:24 on Nov 22, 2016 |
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esperterra posted:I wasn't planning on ever watching PoI for anything other than Shahi and Acker, but you describing the show in such detail basically left no reason to bother. There's 5 seasons of Person of Interest, there's a lot more going on than just what I described. I put it in spoiler tags regardless though, can you edit your post so the quoted text has spoiler tags as well?
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Raspberry Jam It In Me posted:I don't get Ford at all, I feel like an old person trying to figure out a smartphone. He recognizes no meaningful difference between a human and a banana. His nihilism runs deep. It is a mystery why he does anything. I suspect it's mere hypocrisy. Other people's aspirations don't matter, just his own.
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Caufman posted:He recognizes no meaningful difference between a human and a banana. His nihilism runs deep. Yea he is clearly a megalomaniac with a god complex. He gets how 'real' they are, he just views himself as omnipotent in relation to them (and in many ways, he is) and distances himself from the emotion.
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Invicta{HOG}, M.D. posted:I suppose you noticed that the "steeple" in the sand is different from the steeple of the church. I suppose it could have lost some planks or something but it looks different. It does fit with the way that Ford thoughtfully kicks at the sand when he first visits the area before young Ford shows up. I wonder if young Ford's wandering was further than expected given the way Ford reacts and is a sign of starting to lose control. You are a doctor so you know better than I, but I do have some points/questions: - How does cauterization put pressure on a wound? - So jugular isn't as bad, but even if the cauterization worked at the moment, he wouldn't just be up and walking around without having to get medical treatment pretty soon after right?
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Bicyclops posted:Now let's talk about the mail. Can we talk about the mail, please, Felix? I've been dying to talk about the mail with you all day, OK? "Arnold," this name keeps coming up over and over again. Every day Arnold's mail is getting sent back to me. Arnold! Arnold! I look in the mail, and this whole box is Arnold! So I say to myself, "I gotta find this guy! I gotta go up to his office and put his mail in the guy's goddamn hands! Otherwise, he's never going to get it and he's going to keep coming back down here." So I go up to Arnold's office and what do I find out, Felix? What do I find out?! There is no Arnold. The man does not exist, okay? So I decide, "Oh poo poo, buddy, I gotta dig a little deeper." There's no Arnold? You gotta be kidding me! I got boxes full of Arnold! All right. So I start marchin' my way down to Theresa in QA and I knock on her door and I say, "Theresaaaaaa! Theresaaaaaaaa! I gotta talk to you about Arnold." And when I open the door what do I find? There's not a single goddamn desk in that office! There...is...no...Theresa in QA. Mac, half the employees in this building have been made up. This company is a goddamn ghost town. yoooooooooo
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D-Pad posted:You are a doctor so you know better than I, but I do have some points/questions: You're putting too much thought into a relatively minor point. A space-wand/tricorder-stick fixed him.
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