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Thanks Ants
May 21, 2004

#essereFerrari


Best housing bubble in the world :britain: :britain: :britain: :britain:

Makes you proud

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Super-NintendoUser
Jan 16, 2004

COWABUNGERDER COMPADRES
Soiled Meat
moving this from a cobol thread, I didn't realize where I was.

New Zealand can eat me posted:

find the poo poo nobody else wants to do and loving own it, you'll be indispensable.


I'd like to open up a discussion on this topic. I don't necessarily agree, because this is a pretty solid way to pigeonhole yourself and become the task dumpster. Maybe I'll be in the minority here, but I've often been that guy and while it's cool to be the hero, it's also cool to not have everything dumped on you because you'll do it.

Submarine Sandpaper
May 27, 2007


It depends on what that is and if it'll help your resume. If it doesn't and you are not getting rare consultant money you're hurting yourself.

New Zealand can eat me
Aug 29, 2008

:matters:


^this! To explain myself further because it wasn't as obvious as it seemed:

If you're doing task dumpster things you've done it wrong. That's how you find yourself manually editing hundreds of xml files at 9pm on a Saturday because of last minute changes, an unyielding deadline and a lack of foresight/automation.

When I say "things nobody else wants to do", that's supposed to mean domain specific things that a typical lead in that role would crinkle their nose up at, in the context of a plumber. If a plumber has to be there 100% of the time to keep the poo poo moving, he is not "loving owning it".

In this context it was 2 weeks of debugging linker errors nobody else understood or really wanted to understand, to embed a cross-compiled LWIP SLIP stack inside of another fat binary framework for use by iOS apps. I would argue that if you managed to get pigeonholed as the linker and cross-compilation dude, you've done it right and are now worth obscene amounts of money. Not that it's important, but it was to expose the phone's cellular data connection to the car over an mfi cable, so pretty far outside of the norm compared to typical iOS development.

New Zealand can eat me fucked around with this message at 18:15 on Apr 29, 2022

22 Eargesplitten
Oct 10, 2010



I know Agrikk used to be an AWS TAM and I think Happiness Commando currently is and maybe some other people here have interviewed for it. I got approached by a recruiter yesterday and they sent me the technical assessment today, what should I know/expect going in? I think it's a long shot but it's a long shot that I'll take because A) it's basically double my current pay, B) it seems like an interesting job, and C) if I get it even if I want to leave after a while having that on my resume will be invaluable.

Dick Trauma
Nov 30, 2007

God damn it, you've got to be kind.
The first MDM solution I've seen uses Apple Business Manager to handle iOS devices. I've never used ABM so I'm wondering if all the MDM solutions are going to be like this. The support site was riddled with grammatical errors and the tech specialist was barely understandable so I'm ruling this particular one out.

Thanks Ants
May 21, 2004

#essereFerrari


You need to interact with Apple Business Manager if you're using DEP or want to put apps on devices.

Dick Trauma
Nov 30, 2007

God damn it, you've got to be kind.
Not sure if it's worth the trouble in this small environment to jump into a whole new system. Since it's just me here I hesitate to have more stuff to learn and administrate when there's still so much fundamental work to be done. I've been at saturation point since I started and it's probably going to be six more months before I can have any free time.

Maybe I'll just have to use the MDM built into Exchange Online and put anything more sophisticated on the "nice to have list" a year or so down the line.

Thanks Ants
May 21, 2004

#essereFerrari


Are these corporate devices? If they are personal devices you could just look at doing Mobile App Management and not have to get involved in anything else.

Internet Explorer
Jun 1, 2005





Dick Trauma posted:

Not sure if it's worth the trouble in this small environment to jump into a whole new system. Since it's just me here I hesitate to have more stuff to learn and administrate when there's still so much fundamental work to be done. I've been at saturation point since I started and it's probably going to be six more months before I can have any free time.

Maybe I'll just have to use the MDM built into Exchange Online and put anything more sophisticated on the "nice to have list" a year or so down the line.

When I've gone into places that had a bunch of technical debt, my approach was to bandaid stuff as quickly as possible and then put it on the list for a year or two down the road. Apply updates, renew contracts, etc., and then when I had time to do it right, take my time to do it right. There's inevitably some poo poo that's old and on fire and needs to be ripped and replaced, but I really try to ask myself if it's easier/quicker to do that or just update and hit it next year.

KillHour
Oct 28, 2007


Coolnezzz posted:

drat that sounds nice having a real project manager and delivery targets instead of being assigned projects with SoWs being entirely empty or having extremely vague descriptions like "migrate everything to 365" or "retire and upgrade all 2008R2 servers" with no further details or descriptions from our sales team, and being expected to sus out all of the details and complete the project completely alone.

That's exactly what the customer gives us and I tell them I can bill them my rate to pretend to be their PM or they can bring one of our dedicated PMs on part time. Sometimes it even works!

Proud Christian Mom
Dec 20, 2006
READING COMPREHENSION IS HARD
no task too vague, no request too outlandish that i can't find an appropriate rate for it

Dick Trauma
Nov 30, 2007

God damn it, you've got to be kind.
I have about 20 corporate iPhones, and a dozen personal ones that have to have MDM of some sort, related to accessing corporate email, files, etc. I also have around 30 Windows laptops and a handful of Macbook Pros. Ideally we'd be able to enroll all of these so I could get a dashboard view of their status and also easily be able to take an action on a device if necessary, like erasing the corporate email account due to being lost/stolen.

As for my long list of action items... I'm doing my best to prioritize so I'm not flailing about. So far people have been reasonable about how quickly they expect things to get done. The most pressure is on the security and compliance front. Some of it is piecemeal stuff like password complexity settings and idle session screen locks, other stuff is more complex like MDM, assessing how we share files with 3rd parties, etc.

Dick Trauma fucked around with this message at 20:57 on Apr 29, 2022

SlowBloke
Aug 14, 2017

Dick Trauma posted:

The first MDM solution I've seen uses Apple Business Manager to handle iOS devices. I've never used ABM so I'm wondering if all the MDM solutions are going to be like this. The support site was riddled with grammatical errors and the tech specialist was barely understandable so I'm ruling this particular one out.

Intune relies on ABM for zero touch and apps deploy, anything else can be done without.

Darchangel
Feb 12, 2009

Tell him about the blower!



Friend of mine works for a hospital in AZ, and this is literally what they did for a "cyber attack". A HOSPITAL. They shut down the network. They were down for at least a couple days.

skooma512
Feb 8, 2012

You couldn't grok my race car, but you dug the roadside blur.

Proud Christian Mom posted:

sounds like they need an even higher tier plan where the settings work

No they need another settings app. With only some options there, and hyperlinks that you think go to a panel, but will load a help file that will either say Page Cannot be Displayed or not even be about the setting.

Dog_Meat
May 19, 2013

KillHour posted:

We are consultants working for a private company with actual project managers and delivery targets so probably none of them. In exchange, they are paid real money instead of federal employee money. Actual federal employees collect overtime for scratching their rear end and eating trail mix while they watch us work.


I'm the UK version of the federal rear end scratching employee :(

I used to be a good engineer. Honestly, 10+ years ago I really was. But every project that comes in is handled by the same small circle of cleared engineers (lol at putting jobs out for tender) and they deliver the same half baked, half functioning lovely solutions while being paid big contractor money that we then support with no documentation, process or diagrams for meh money but great benefits. To give you an idea of how broken the system is, we pay to put these same contractors on expensive training courses for new tech rather than hiring contractors who actually know the new products.

I atrophied into a broken husk of an engineer, somehow falling upwards in pay scales despite getting worse at my job, surrounded by younger, better engineers who will eventually move on because pensions mean nothing when you're 23.

The problem is that mediocre engineers (like me) can make really good money here in deep cleared roles tucked away in important but stagnant corners compared to what our limited skills would get us in the real world, but it means you only retain broken grognards like me and lose the new blood to the private sector.

The better engineers tend to take their clearance and run to better contractor jobs or other sectors. Some of them come back to do their old jobs at a higher pay, but they're clamping down on that now. Occasionally I'll get a spark of inspiration and have a learning splurge, but the infrastructure and mindset here doesn't let it last for long, and when you're in your mid-forties you don't have as many options to take a huge plunge and leave behind that sweet, sweet government money :(

Negativity aside though, if I'd got into this world as a 25 yearold engineer I'd have gone down a very different path and probably gone down the contracting route. You'll make some amazing contacts and never be short of work, and you'll be able to find your niche and get serious job security. And it always looks good on a resume

Dick Trauma
Nov 30, 2007

God damn it, you've got to be kind.
Okay now I want to hear what job everyone had when they were 25.

I was probably unemployed on my birthday (as I had been for most of the time since I graduated college) but a few months later I became a 911 dispatcher.

Wibla
Feb 16, 2011

25? I was in the Navy.

gently caress the Navy.

22 Eargesplitten
Oct 10, 2010



I had just started helldesk at a small retail chain after being unemployed for 6 months post-layoff at my previous helldesk role. Then I got laid off again, then I got a contract job as desktop support in a hospital, then when that contract ended I got a job as an ERP administrator. Now I'm 30 and have been at as many companies in the past five years as I was in that one year, and work on cloud poo poo that will hopefully result in me being actually paid decently within a year or less as I keep rolling out these resumes.

My mother mentioned recently that she was impressed with how tactically I approach my career, but even in adulthood I'm not quite casual enough with her to say that my tactics boil down to "gently caress you, pay me."

Diqnol
May 10, 2010

I was a dispatcher at an insanely backwards company that still used paper maps and a 1970s rubber ducky style radio system.

Mustache Ride
Sep 11, 2001



Entry level Forensics Consultant for Halliburton during Deepwater Horizon.

SubjectVerbObject
Jul 27, 2009
Research assistant at an East Baltimore methadone clinic. So basically The Wire.

devmd01
Mar 7, 2006

Elektronik
Supersonik
Still in my first job out of college, a field tech for a retail chain, focused on new store deployments, IT refit projects, and the occasional ticket to help out the regional techs.

Kind of miss it a little bit. The pay sucked as did the travel sometimes but I was left the hell alone and always had a concrete goal/task to accomplish.

Dog Faced JoJo
Oct 15, 2004

Woof Woof

I was working for the Navy too, except I was a defense contractor managing Solaris systems.

Walked
Apr 14, 2003

Dick Trauma posted:

Okay now I want to hear what job everyone had when they were 25.

I was probably unemployed on my birthday (as I had been for most of the time since I graduated college) but a few months later I became a 911 dispatcher.

About two years into my job with Department of State as a contractor. First time breaking 6 figures and it was one of my longest-held roles. Ended up as a team lead for the first time in my career and ultimately left after about 6 years once I got REALLY tired of dealing with the "ISSO" (who was supremely incompetent).

LochNessMonster
Feb 3, 2005

I need about three fitty


At 25 I worked at my first job out of college, as entry level employee at a small MSP/Consultancy firm.

Learning a lot in a short amount of time, mostly about monitoring and optimizing customer environments. Taking care of issues I should have passed in to more senior people. The MSP had a business model that looked like the Big 4: move up or move out. Meaning we had a junior:mid level:senior ratio around 15:3:1

Wibla
Feb 16, 2011

Dog Faced JoJo posted:

I was working for the Navy too, except I was a defense contractor managing Solaris systems.

Let me guess: Magneto-optical media was in use back then? :v:

mattfl
Aug 27, 2004

25 was working for a news paper as a jack of all trades IT person, almost 20 years later I am still a jack of all trades IT person but now at a hospital. At least I’ve tripled my salary since then.

George H.W. Cunt
Oct 6, 2010





I was working what would be my first IT job of PC hardware repair. Car dealership PCs would come in and we’d rip them apart, clean them, replace parts, image, and send them back out. It was boring, easy work, but the people I hung out with made it bearable. The perfect job for someone floundering in 2011 with an English degree. Somehow leveraged that into a real service desk job down the line.

xzzy
Mar 5, 2009

Same job I have now, just with more IRIX and less Linux. RIP O2000.

fluppet
Feb 10, 2009

Dog_Meat posted:

I'm the UK version of the federal rear end scratching employee :(


Yeah I spend just over two years working at one of the arms length bodies before being TUPE'd into the civil service proper at a salary so far above the pay grade it was joke
Still didn't stop me from bouncing the second they threatened us with return to the office.

skipdogg
Nov 29, 2004
Resident SRT-4 Expert

25 I was doing DSL tech support on the phone for a little over 14 bucks an hour for SBC/AT&T through a 3rd party company. I got my break into IT late in my 25th year as a entry level sysadmin for 42K a year which I thought at the time was a poo poo ton of money.

nielsm
Jun 1, 2009



At 25, I think I was still a student, and also part-time CJ at a non-profit.

Dog Faced JoJo
Oct 15, 2004

Woof Woof

Wibla posted:

Let me guess: Magneto-optical media was in use back then? :v:

A 25 disc jukebox which would jam up multiple times a day. God did it suck.

Sepist
Dec 26, 2005

FUCK BITCHES, ROUTE PACKETS

Gravy Boat 2k
I had just gotten promoted to Network Engineer after 2 years in the NOC at an MSP. I only stayed for a year before using the title/exp to really explode my skillset/salary by jumping jumps every few years.

KillHour
Oct 28, 2007


I think at 25 I was burning out at an outside sales job going through a divorce and about to be fired because I couldn't bring myself to keep cold calling people who wouldn't give me the time of day.

Happiness Commando
Feb 1, 2002
$$ joy at gunpoint $$

Cooking in a rural tourist town. It was a special kind of hell.

The Fool
Oct 16, 2003


At 25 I would have been a repair tech at a local computer store. That job would turn into the local MSP and I ended up working there for another 11 years.


Which was probably about 9 more years longer than I should have.

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mllaneza
Apr 28, 2007

Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952




1993 ? Retail at Software Etc. Doing consulting on the side for customers and taking a few classes. I'd dropout of the work force for a couple of years attempt at full-time college the next year. Which... didn't work out.

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