Nail Rat posted:

So I didn't watch the longer clip but a question I have from the trailer...is Bobbie part of the Rocinante crew this season? I distinctly got that impression from her strapping in next to Alex at the end of season 3. But she was nowhere to be seen when the Roci was landing on New Terra.

Nail Rat posted:

So I didn't watch the longer clip but a question I have from the trailer...is Bobbie part of the Rocinante crew this season? I distinctly got that impression from her strapping in next to Alex at the end of season 3. But she was nowhere to be seen when the Roci was landing on New Terra.

Uterine Lineup posted:

I am going to throw this behind spoilers in case someone doesn't want to know. Bobbie was not in book 4 at all so it looks like they are either creating new story lines, using the novellas, or moving stuff up from later books for her and some other characters who were also absent from book 4.

PriorMarcus posted:

They have cast Marco for this season.

PriorMarcus posted:

They have cast Marco for this season.

Collateral posted:

Homelander makes a speech in front of the Roci in ep. 5 of The Boys.

Are there naughty supes in the Exapnse?

Mister Bates posted:

My favorite part about the Mormons in the Expanse, as a fourth-generation (ex-)Mormon myself, is that it's an extremely realistic representation of Mormon culture and is even pretty accurate to the history of the Church.

Like, do you know why Utah is Mormon country? It's because Brigham Young got a vision from God telling him to relocate there, so he told every single Mormon in the entire world (there were people coming to his call from as far away as Europe, in the loving 1840s when travel across the Atlantic was still a big deal) to pull up chains and move there, into what was still basically uncharted territory, in a foreign country that had not given them permission to come there, with no idea what they'd find there, no plan for what they'd do when they arrived, and hilariously inadequate supplies and transportation.

Those lucky enough to have them used wagons pulled by oxen, horses, or mules. Not everyone did, and thousands of people and their supplies were brought from the expedition launching point, Nauvoo in central Illinois, to their destination in what is now Utah using human muscle power. The people mostly walked, sometimes carrying heavy loads; most of the supplies were carried on big wooden handcarts, each weighing hundreds of pounds and pulled by 1-4 people per cart. The trail from Nauvoo to Salt Lake is 1,300 miles, some of it over very difficult terrain, and much of that trail didn't even exist until the Mormons blazed it. These were mostly not hardened frontiersmen, either; for most of them, this was the first time they'd been out in the wilderness. Over a thousand miles on foot, dragging all your worldly possessions behind you in a cart, with no idea where you're going, no real plan for what to do when you got there, and without even really knowing what was waiting for you at the end of the journey. Risking everything - your money, your belongings, your career, your life, the lives of your wives, your children, everything - all on faith. Trusting that it would work out, because God had called you to do this.

The vanguard of the expedition was walking through Salt Lake Valley when Brigham Young was just like 'this is the place' and declared that their destination, and they settled there. Hundreds of people died getting there, entire expeditions were lost, and it would take many years of work on lovely, marginal land before they were able to create a sustainable community, but they made it. Let's not talk about the Mexican government who had legal title over the land, or the indigenous nations the Mormons drove off, or the non-Mormon settlers they murdered later to prevent encroachment on their land claims, because the Church sure doesn't!

This story is a huge part of Mormon mythology and culture. We learn about the Pioneers from early childhood, sing hymns about them, have 'Pioneer Day' celebrations with everyone dressed up in period clothing and having all sorts of reenactment activities, make pilgrimages to Nauvoo and learn about the preparations for the journey. When I was in high school they even made all the kids from my ward spend a week out on a huge Church-owned ranch (the Church owns lots of land all over the US), dressed in period appropriate clothing, dragging handcarts around for miles and miles and camping in the rough, to teach us what it had been like. They even had a bit where they separated the boys and the girls and made the boys watch while the girls all struggled to pull the carts, in order to teach the kids about proper gender roles and the importance of male dominance in a family unit (really pretty gross in hindsight).

I can totally buy people who have spent generations being taught to idolize the Pioneers being willing to pull up stakes and charge off into the unknown, blatantly unprepared and using untested hardware, because God told them to. Some of them would certainly die and they'd be prepared for that. They might find harsh, barely-habitable wasteland, or airless rocks, or nothing at all, and they'd be prepared for that - the pioneers didn't come to an Eden, after all, they came to a barren desert valley with a lake of undrinkable brackish water. You don't find Eden, you build Eden.

The Nauvoo's colonists would certainly fail and die in space, and another ship full of more Mormons would certainly follow them, and another, and another, until one of them eventually made it.

Of course, they don't need to now, because of the rings.

I can actually see this being a huge boost to the Mormon faith, because the Nauvoo actually did lead them to a new world, just not in the way they thought it would. God moves in mysterious ways and all that.

GuardianOfAsgaard posted:

Apparently Amazon have just renewed for season 5

Taintrunner posted:

New trailer for S4:

https://twitter.com/ExpanseOnPrime/status/1155158152079216645

double nine posted:

wait who's the dude at the end? As in the actor I mean.

Crazycryodude posted:

Cojawfee posted:

Burn Gorman is super great. I loved him in The Man in the High Castle, and Turn: Washington's Spies.

twistedmentat posted:

Burn Gorman is like your go to guy for evil bastards.

I like how Chrisjen has started dressing like she's a a member of a noble house in Dune.

Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:

He was great in Torchwood, a ~rated TV-M~ Doctor Who spin-off!

Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:

He was great in Torchwood, a ~rated TV-M~ Doctor Who spin-off!

Baronjutter posted:

Burn Gorman is a bitch who couldn't even make my friend more smarter.

double nine posted:

wait who's the dude at the end? As in the actor I mean.

aparmenideanmonad posted:

He's a fookin' legend in Gin Alley.

uber_stoat posted:

Bezos is gonna cast himself in season 5, just you wait. it's the whole reason he picked up the show.

8one6 posted:

If we get seven seasons out of it I'm fine with an annual Bezos cameo.

8one6 posted:

If we get seven seasons out of it I'm fine with an annual Bezos cameo.