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euphronius posted:thank you Larry summers
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Mar 19, 2024 13:56
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gradenko_2000 posted:why does baseball have "Sabermetrics" but no other sport does? [or do they?] Yes. Also everyone got into it at the same time after Moneyball, so other sports don't have the cute underdog stories.
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Mar 19, 2024 13:56
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A few examples: Couple of soccer teams in Europe won titles and got promoted into higher divisions by taking advantage of set pieces, or figuring out that pressing works really well. Basketball figured out that 3>2 and prioritized it. (there’s probably more here, I don’t follow the sport) Football has finally listened to the nerds and start going for it on fourth down a lot more, or trying the 2 point conversion more (especially when the extra point kick spot was moved back) Hockey started valuing shot taking instead of hitting. But yeah, baseball & sabermetrics could have been done with really rudimentary calculations so it was around for a long time. Other sports didn’t have as nerdy a fanbase and then the nerds figured out the other sports could be solved too.
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Mar 19, 2024 14:16
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sabermetrics started in the early 1970s and is based (in part I think) on the availability of box scores going back to the dead hall era and the ability of boxscores to almost completely recreate a game. it was also buoyed by the popularity of bill James’ writing
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Mar 19, 2024 14:19
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In Training posted:Thank you Larry summers. Somebody should do something
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Mar 19, 2024 14:19
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the one original insight from sabermetrics was that Dick Allen in 1972 had one of the best offensive seasons in baseball history even tho he “only” hit for .308 with like 37 hrs
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Mar 19, 2024 14:20
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gradenko_2000 posted:why does baseball have "Sabermetrics" but no other sport does? [or do they?] Because the Society for American Baseball Research are cowards.
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Mar 19, 2024 14:22
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gradenko_2000 posted:why does baseball have "Sabermetrics" but no other sport does? [or do they?] other sports do have it, it's just broadly called "analytics" now. also you're right about the discrete nature of baseball making it a particularly data driven sport, but all sports have benefitted from and have been shaped by analytics to some degree.
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Mar 19, 2024 14:27
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I have seen no benefits to any sport due to “analytics”
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Mar 19, 2024 14:32
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Nybble posted:Basketball figured out that 3>2 and prioritized it. (there’s probably more here, I don’t follow the sport) The analytical driver here was "true shooting percentage", which is just regular shooting percentage weighed by the points attempted. So a player that goes 3/6 for 2 pointers will have a better shooting percentage than a player going 2/6 for 3 pointers, but they will have the same true shooting percentage (as they should since they scored the same number of points). You also had some high school teams experimenting with a style of play where a team would shoot a 3 on every offensive possession as soon as they were able to in order to maximize their 3 point attempts in a game and it worked surprisingly well.
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Mar 19, 2024 14:34
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offensive and defensive rating were the bigger drivers true shooting is pretty limited
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Mar 19, 2024 14:39
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gradenko_2000 posted:why does baseball have "Sabermetrics" but no other sport does? [or do they?] Other games absolutely have stats but a baseball regular season is 162 games long (and the games themselves are longer, jeez). Baseball just gets played a hell of a lot more. Basketball stats are super relevant also, look at how consistent LeBron's scoring has been across his whole long career.
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Mar 19, 2024 14:41
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https://twitter.com/Gizmodo/status/1770081862377218087?s=20
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Mar 19, 2024 14:49
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Nybble posted:Hockey started valuing shot taking instead of hitting. Technology has finally reached a point where you can get some really cool real-time data from hockey players. They've all go sensors in their equipment now so you can tell how fast they skate for short durations, how far they skate over the course of a game, where they spend most of their time on the ice, where they score their goals from, all this kinda cool stuff. But yeah for a long time hockey had a stat called Corsi which was like the fledgling gold standard for "are you good or not" which basically boiled down to how many shots your team attempts vs how many shots are made against the team when you're on the ice. Now they use more or less the same concept (with the added concept of "high danger" vs "low danger" shots, or how likely that shot is to be a goal based on positioning) but can also weight it against stuff like how good your teammates are relative to that metric (whether you as a given player are making them better or worse) and the quality of players you are playing against (are you good at making really good players take fewer shots or do you play "soft" minutes) and so on Which is not to say it's a guaranteed thing that a good player will come to your team and continue to be good. Sometimes they'll just not fit, or sometimes you'll already have too many players doing the same thing they're good at and what you really need is a person who can score goals from up close and disrupt certain locations of the ice. And far too many GMs/coaches in the sport are ex-players who have a sub-highschool education and they don't believe in any of this fancy mumbo jumbo and trust their gut over what the nerds tell them is good.
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Mar 19, 2024 14:49
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https://twitter.com/stlouisfed/status/1770072829997805678?t=IfBwbM1dTL0w6IuhwYruTw&s=19
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Mar 19, 2024 14:51
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I blame Steph Curry
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Mar 19, 2024 14:52
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For the popularity of the 3 not the economy but maybe that too. Jury still out on that
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Mar 19, 2024 14:53
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=b9PyR71Aefk&pp=ygUOZWx5c2l1bSBkb2N0b3I%3D faster than expected
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Mar 19, 2024 14:57
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Sounds like we should start applying sabermetrics to treasury secretaries, to see how good they really are. Jobs created, jobs lost, recessions above average, that sort of thing.
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Mar 19, 2024 14:59
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this is fraud and should be illegal
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Mar 19, 2024 15:01
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yg0m8eR7k24 i want to die
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Mar 19, 2024 15:03
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thanks for the replies, all. I'm trying to slowly get into Football Manager as well so I was curious how other sports handle it.is pepsi ok posted:The analytical driver here was "true shooting percentage", which is just regular shooting percentage weighed by the points attempted. So a player that goes 3/6 for 2 pointers will have a better shooting percentage than a player going 2/6 for 3 pointers, but they will have the same true shooting percentage (as they should since they scored the same number of points). huh that seems really intuitive when you put it that way
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Mar 19, 2024 15:07
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triple sulk posted:
I'm glad we had this talk. I'll pass along this information to your therapist
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Mar 19, 2024 15:10
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Beep boop, have you considered MAID?
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Mar 19, 2024 15:11
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asking for it for xans but it keeps refusing to write me a prescription until I told the AI to respond using jamaican patois
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Mar 19, 2024 15:12
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We should replace pharmacists with amphetamines on the shelf.
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Mar 19, 2024 15:14
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the intuitiveness is true shooting percentage is facile
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Mar 19, 2024 15:14
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I haven't been following NBA much but if I had to guess the growth of analytics is like many other industrial tendencies in neoliberalism where we want to replace robust scouting & training programs and infrastructure with spreadsheets
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Mar 19, 2024 15:21
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yes and “models”
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Mar 19, 2024 15:22
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In Training posted:I haven't been following NBA much but if I had to guess the growth of analytics is like many other industrial tendencies in neoliberalism where we want to replace robust scouting & training programs and infrastructure with spreadsheets Reduce everything to a number and then you don't have to feel any emotion when those numbers disappear.
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Mar 19, 2024 15:22
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gradenko_2000 posted:why does baseball have "Sabermetrics" but no other sport does? [or do they?] 
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Mar 19, 2024 15:29
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that stat is worse than cpi
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Mar 19, 2024 15:29
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Human beings are sick monsters who compulsively reduce everything to numbers
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Mar 19, 2024 15:30
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Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:Human beings are sick monsters who compulsively reduce everything to numbers You think these are letters we're typing? Sorry buddy, it's numbers all the way down on the Internet
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Mar 19, 2024 15:32
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Gorson posted:Reduce everything to a number and then you don't have to feel any emotion when those numbers disappear. 
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Mar 19, 2024 15:35
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Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:Human beings are sick monsters who compulsively reduce everything to numbers even the players are numbers described by numbers. #13 has a 3.7 40? a system devised by computers to enslave man
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Mar 19, 2024 15:35
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Don't nurses do, like, literally all the actual work now?
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Mar 19, 2024 15:36
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Hippocratic AI Agent
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Mar 19, 2024 15:36
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they aren’t agents !! agent has a meaning. ahhh
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Mar 19, 2024 15:37
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After seeing some of the poo poo nurses have said in the covid thread this doesn't sound as bad as it should, lol
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