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Junpei posted:Yeah, being self-centered and unempathetic is kind of her fatal flaw. It was crushed out of her and it is something she does need to relearn.
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# ? Jan 31, 2023 01:34 |
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# ? Jun 1, 2024 17:12 |
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You know it just dawn on me that with the right book anything can be made which means there's nothing saying that Roland could use it to make his gear he had in his prime(and Given the hints were getting he might be a color I.E the black silence) again this is not going end well.
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# ? Jan 31, 2023 01:36 |
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Junpei posted:Yeah, being self-centered and unempathetic is kind of her fatal flaw.
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# ? Jan 31, 2023 02:06 |
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Hence why she needs more therapy sessions.
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# ? Jan 31, 2023 02:45 |
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the usual binah experience. yes, i made this same joke in the old drakengard 3 lp. so sue me.
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# ? Jan 31, 2023 03:28 |
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I cannot take credit for creating this, that goes to a Tumblr user I follow, (observancesys) so please don't put it in the fanart post but I just wanted to share it: Junpei fucked around with this message at 06:05 on Jan 31, 2023 |
# ? Jan 31, 2023 04:27 |
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angela is now familiar enough with roland to be comfortable going completely mask-off in front of him but not familiar enough to realize that he's not going to like it.
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# ? Jan 31, 2023 05:09 |
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IMO Angela hasn't had a mask in Ruina, just whether or not Angela has hit the threshold to be arsed enough to explain something she hadn't before. That or she just didn't really have a good way to express it yet, she's certainly gotten more expressive since the start of the game.
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# ? Jan 31, 2023 05:28 |
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At least she has yet to make the obvious connection and use Light shenanigans to conjure an idea fantasy-world for Roland to retire and live out his days with a fake family.
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# ? Jan 31, 2023 05:59 |
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Appendix 30: The Red MistThe Red Mist’s Page posted:E.G.O. The weapon that corresponds to the mind of its wielder. The sword Carmen gave me was extracted from someone by chance. Giant eyeballs were attached to the sword adorned with crimson chunks of flesh; they watched my every move, almost to the point of making me feel a bit uncomfortable. Wondering if this was a product of some new Singularity, I asked Carmen what the thing was; she only said that I’ll have to get used to it, since there’s little she can do about how it looks. Although it looked a bit creepy, it wasn’t anything unbearable, and Carmen didn’t seem to mind it as long as there were experiments to be performed with it. She added that I have to be careful with it as it was thanks to sheer luck that the “E.G.O” could be extracted at all in its unstable state. I had a plethora of experience handling various workshop products, so I decided to take the sword without much hesitation.
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# ? Jan 31, 2023 09:12 |
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Ah, so the Mimicry sword wasn't from Enoch. I see.
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# ? Jan 31, 2023 10:58 |
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The thread has spoken. We're doing Gebura's new Abnormality Battle next. Could this mean a Realization is on the horizon..?
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# ? Jan 31, 2023 11:13 |
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Extracted EGO tries to consume you. You own EGO tries to consume and Distort you. I have a theory on that: there is no your EGO. You are no special snowflake capable of manifesting EGO which can rival one taken from collective conciousness of humanity. However there are hundreds of people with ideals similar to yours, from whom you can borrow power. YOu are not using EGO extracted by someone, no, you are diving into Well for it yourself. That makes your personal EGO the same as extracted, and no less dangerous. You just have more experience with ideas and doubts that particular EGO might tell you. Another unsubstantiated idea: what if Carmen was an EGO-user and her EGO was Cogito production? That would explain why there would be so many experiments with EGO extraction, and why source of Cogito couldn't be replicated. Usually Wings are afraid that someone will learn about their SIngularity and replicates it. Here we cannot replicate it even as we experiment on it. That would open another interpretation of Carmen suicide: she did it to stop herself from Distorting. After multiple setbacks, Enoch death was the last straw: Carment felt that she is losing her determination and doubts are creeping in. As we saw with Phillip, this is not a good thing. She probably noticed onset of Distortion early, and, not having anything to prevent it, took a bath.
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# ? Jan 31, 2023 11:22 |
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TeeQueue posted:Appendix 30: The Red Mist Man… hearing about all this from the perspective of a very true believer is just painful. gently caress.
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# ? Jan 31, 2023 11:22 |
E.G.O. is, I suppose, a singular thought - a terrible pure note, and if you do not balance it, the combination of many thoughts and feelings that makes you you will be subsumed. Using E.G.O. means keeping that balance. Distortion is to surrender to the singular <thought/feeling/concept>. You wield it, or it wields you.
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# ? Jan 31, 2023 11:57 |
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You know what I noticed? RM counter die works during Immobilization. That meant you are not helpless after using Overcharge. And also that you might be able, with enough luck on attack order, to solo Children. Grab Role of the Wolf, Vengeance, Laughter and Absorption, those, I believe, would be the most helpful pages here.
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# ? Jan 31, 2023 12:41 |
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MiiNiPaa posted:Extracted EGO tries to consume you. You own EGO tries to consume and Distort you. I have a theory on that: there is no your EGO. You are no special snowflake capable of manifesting EGO which can rival one taken from collective conciousness of humanity. However there are hundreds of people with ideals similar to yours, from whom you can borrow power. YOu are not using EGO extracted by someone, no, you are diving into Well for it yourself. That makes your personal EGO the same as extracted, and no less dangerous. You just have more experience with ideas and doubts that particular EGO might tell you. to be fair, the EGO she's talking about here is mimicry, not her cool armor. While both are "her" EGO, mimicry is kind of a dogshit prototype one, not a naturally created one. though the part of wielding only the prototype weapon ego may have been what allowed her to manifest the suit at all, and thus had some effect on it..? DuoRogue fucked around with this message at 18:36 on Jan 31, 2023 |
# ? Jan 31, 2023 18:34 |
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MiiNiPaa posted:Extracted EGO tries to consume you. You own EGO tries to consume and Distort you. I have a theory on that: there is no your EGO. You are no special snowflake capable of manifesting EGO which can rival one taken from collective conciousness of humanity. However there are hundreds of people with ideals similar to yours, from whom you can borrow power. YOu are not using EGO extracted by someone, no, you are diving into Well for it yourself. That makes your personal EGO the same as extracted, and no less dangerous. You just have more experience with ideas and doubts that particular EGO might tell you. Angela talks about it in the closing scene: Angela: Yes. I’m finally starting to see it clearly. Originally, the light that radiated during the event known as the ‘White Nights and Dark Days’ should have shone over the City for seven days straight, not three. Angela: Had that happened, every person in the City would've been able to manifest their own E.G.O, giving them the strength to avoid meaningless deaths regardless of wealth or social status. Angela: They would’ve earned the power to challenge the world. It may have been possible for some to lose the E.G.O they manifested, but no one would have been taken over by their own E.G.O and become Abnormalities. Everyone has their own EGO, Ayin touched about this in the day 50 conversation too. MiiNiPaa posted:You know what I noticed? RM counter die works during Immobilization. That meant you are not helpless after using Overcharge. And also that you might be able, with enough luck on attack order, to solo Children. Grab Role of the Wolf, Vengeance, Laughter and Absorption, those, I believe, would be the most helpful pages here. Counter dice used to be incredibly bad and only worked against one dice each (like Yujin's deflect assault passive). Around when the Red Mist reception was released PM buffed it so that counter dice would remain until beaten. This led players do stuff like beat most receptions simply by pressing space every turn and let all the enemies die to her counter dice, so PM nerfed it to to its current form. (Also, pre-nerf vengeance and absorption weren't capped in strength gain, which led to further degeneracy).
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# ? Feb 1, 2023 00:33 |
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SITB posted:Angela talks about it in the closing scene:
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# ? Feb 1, 2023 00:42 |
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TeeQueue posted:Appendix 30: The Red Mist Going from a story of strengthening to a forgone tragedy.
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# ? Feb 1, 2023 03:32 |
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Fairy is great, but Pillar really cements itself as one of the best pages in the game defensively. I'd call this page and the Queen of Justice fight the two most important places for understanding how ranged dice work, because if you haven't caught on to what exactly ranged dice recycling means you're missing out on an easy way to just shut down big enemy attacks.
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# ? Feb 1, 2023 08:58 |
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While Binah's Key Page can't be removed from her, you can still attribute passives to her. Given her light restore card is a cost 1, restore 2, Respiration might be a good idea. Since everything of hers is Ranged, Noah's +damage on Ranged attacks (he might not be usable as a keypage but his single passive can still be attributed), as well as Katriel's Empowered First Shot are also good choices.
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# ? Feb 1, 2023 09:10 |
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TeeQueue posted:The hell are you supposed to be? *Kali then refuses to think about this anymore*
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# ? Feb 1, 2023 09:47 |
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Synthbuttrange posted:*Kali then refuses to think about this anymore* Come on, would me lie to me?
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# ? Feb 1, 2023 12:03 |
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That Steve run of the Red Mist was a thing of beauty. Anyway, time to look forward to another Abnormality battle! I don't actually remember this one giving me too many problems compared to some of the other ones on this floor. I'm sure it'll be taken down with elegance, grace, and MURDER
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# ? Feb 1, 2023 13:15 |
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Arraxis posted:That Steve run of the Red Mist was a thing of beauty. Anyway, time to look forward to another Abnormality battle! I don't actually remember this one giving me too many problems compared to some of the other ones on this floor. I'm sure it'll be taken down with elegance, grace, and MURDER yeah, soloing kali is more viable than it really should be. I want to note, actually, tq not instantly picking sword of frost. As mentioned before, The Strongest breaks ties by just hitting every die with that value. So stacking bind on gebura actually makes her get MORE infinity dice, due to her innate 1-7/8 speed. at base, she has a 1 in 7 chance to get minimum. at one bind, its a 2 in 7, because both 1 and 2 get reduced to 1. at 5 bind, you're more likely than not to just not be able to redirect her at all. at 6/7 bind, she gets full infinities every time. (this is, by the way, why the Cold Sun mod power nulls anyone with 5+ bind, specifically to stop you from strongest cheese) DuoRogue fucked around with this message at 14:23 on Feb 1, 2023 |
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GilliamYaeger posted:Oh look, Some fun facts: Red Mist does not actually runs completely on the same rules as us. For starter, her deck is immense. There are 8 copies of each Upstanding Slash, Level Slash and Spear; 3 copies of GS:V; 3 copies of Focus Spirit; and a single Onrush (which, I suppose is why it is used so rarely), it is probably a bug, and there were supposed to be 4 of them, because right next to it is an empty loop which does nothing 4 times. GS:H has a cooldown of 2 Scenes after it is used before it returns to RM hand, which probably supposed to emulate EGO recharge mechanics we have to deal with.
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# ? Feb 1, 2023 14:43 |
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Evil Kit posted:IMO Angela hasn't had a mask in Ruina, just whether or not Angela has hit the threshold to be arsed enough to explain something she hadn't before. Maybe not a 'mask' but in this convo at least she drops her insistence on how she's justified and instead just says that she doesn't care about the people getting hurt, she doesn't want to care and she resents that things are trying to make her care.
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# ? Feb 1, 2023 22:05 |
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ZeroCount posted:Maybe not a 'mask' but in this convo at least she drops her insistence on how she's justified and instead just says that she doesn't care about the people getting hurt, she doesn't want to care and she resents that things are trying to make her care. I don't really think those two things are exclusive for Angela personally. She can feel justified in what she's doing while also not caring about hurting others. Also being annoyed that things are trying to make her care fits her current personality and how she developed in Lob Corp where caring about what others think and feel hurt her immensely. The arc of the story as a whole to me so far is Angela being confronted and dealing with her trauma she accumulated over her years in Lob Corp, and in doing so regaining the emotions she lost. Seeing as we haven't been through all the realizations yet, Angela still has a way to go. If she's justifying anything, it's probably starting to be her actions to herself as she grapples with her re-emerging empathy. Bit of a ramble there suddenly, I may not be entirely satisfied with the wording or if it conveys what it I'm thinking but hey,
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# ? Feb 1, 2023 22:30 |
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Also worth noting that this entire game so far has kind of been Angela's gradual evolution into more of a person, and one of the very first things anybody taught her was Roland imparting his "that's that, and this is this" philosophy onto her. Can't be too surprised she's taken it to heart.
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# ? Feb 2, 2023 02:52 |
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Honestly I think that they're hinting that Roland is going to end up trying to kill Angela, because she was an AI and this is a video game. I wonder how she'll react to the idea of Roland suddenly turning on her, when she's starting to slowly kind of view him as a friend.
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# ? Feb 2, 2023 19:26 |
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E-Tank posted:I wonder how she'll react to the idea of Roland suddenly turning on her, when she's starting to slowly kind of view him as a friend. Yeah, well, that’s that and this is this.
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# ? Feb 2, 2023 20:09 |
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Finally got around to playing Library of Ruina myself, caught up with the thread and played ahead a bit. All I can say is I can't wait to see some other fights get clowned on after bashing my subpar decks against them like a caveman and somehow squeezing by. Also just want to shoutout this thread as being a super helpful resource in card/key page discussion. Love the write ups following each reception on the cards/key pages, they've helped a ton with me experimenting and doing silly things. Love ya guys
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# ? Feb 3, 2023 18:41 |
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E-Tank posted:Honestly I think that they're hinting that Roland is going to end up trying to kill Angela, because she was an AI and this is a video game. I wonder how she'll react to the idea of Roland suddenly turning on her, when she's starting to slowly kind of view him as a friend. Let's be honest, Roland is going to shank Angela 3/7's of the way through her moment of triumph. Whatever her end goal ends up being, he's going to try to get some poetic justice.
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# ? Feb 3, 2023 21:38 |
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Two things I'd like to note: Firstly, that abno quote is another one that like Pinocchio, wasn't in core LobCorp. Secondly, Binah's Degraded Shockwave is our first 'on-tap' Mass Attack-it's a part of Binah's core deck rather than something you have to wait for a high Emotion Level to use like with both regular EGO and Gebura's GS:H. It does have a high Light Cost (as do a lot of the other 'on tap' Mass Attacks we'll get through SOTC), but that's a new power milestone right there.
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# ? Feb 4, 2023 06:51 |
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And it's a Mass-Individual, to boot. I adore Mass-Individual cards for their ability to slip around guards and pinpoint strike at problematic dice, and I expect we'll be seeing quite a bit of that whenever Binah comes out to play.
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# ? Feb 4, 2023 12:08 |
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Materant posted:And it's a Mass-Individual, to boot. I adore Mass-Individual cards for their ability to slip around guards and pinpoint strike at problematic dice, and I expect we'll be seeing quite a bit of that whenever Binah comes out to play. the fact that the feeble is on the third die, and binah being the patron librarian will always go first, is also useful; it means that if you aim at a 1 or 2 die page, the feeble will ALWAYS land, and you can thus count on it being there for everything else, including other mass attacks from other librarians.
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# ? Feb 4, 2023 16:03 |
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Random thing I want to bring up regarding the Red Mist pages is that any Red Mist deck that doesn't exclusively use her unique pages bothers me a little. I don't know it just does.
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# ? Feb 5, 2023 06:42 |
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Okay, thread update time~! -I'm going on vacation next week, so there will be a pause after the next update. This turns out to be well-timed, because: -My laptop keys are starting to crap out on me. I'm going to work on giving it a thorough cleaning over the vacation, which will hopefully address the issue where I'm pushing buttons but it's not properly relaying to the computer. Connections probably just need some alcohol rubbed on them or something. Until then, I've got a second keyboard to plug into the lappy to keep it running, and if push comes to shove... it'd hurt but I can probably eventually swing a replacement for the ol' bean should things come to it. I'm still not counting this as being hit by the LP curse and you can't make me.
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# ? Feb 5, 2023 11:41 |
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# ? Jun 1, 2024 17:12 |
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TeeQueue posted:I'm still not counting this as being hit by the LP curse and you can't make me. Yet.
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# ? Feb 5, 2023 12:32 |