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There's fluff that mentions there are mortal citizens of Nehekhara, some of whom even descend from their ancient civilization (and these are regarded as even more precious than the Tomb Kings' loot), they generally live pretty decent lives and are well protected by the Tomb Kings as long as they don't break any of the laws, which are not really more draconian than in any of the other human civilizations, so being a living Tomb King subject is probably one of the better prospects for a normal person in the setting.
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Arglebargle III posted:why tho? as Arkhan can attest, Nagash was just as much a power-hungry rear end in a top hat in life as he was in death and double-death, and when he comes back for the third time he is unlikely to be any nicer. Arkhan is loyal to Nagash because Nagash was the only thing that ever gave his life anything that even approximated meaning. you know that bit in Game of Thrones where Tyrion wisecracks about how he's only drinking himself to death because he's too cowardly to kill himself any faster, and Varys says "well while you're doing that, mind if I show you something cool" and suddenly bam, Tyrion's life has meaning again like that, only instead of advising a dragonhaver it was getting to be the right-hand-man of somebody who was going to grant eternal life to the faithful and also conquer the world with an army of skellingtons.
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AnEdgelord posted:The interesting thing is that this argument actually has legs and is one of the huge grey areas in the lore primarily because of the existence of Chaos. Necromancy and Chaos are diametrically opposed since Chaos is interested in dragging the whole world into the Realm of Chaos (basically the WHFB afterlife) where the Chaos gods will have free reign to devour the souls of all living things. Necromancy meanwhile is entirely focused on cutting the Soul off from the afterlife (and thus the Realm of Chaos), so to be undead is to put your soul beyond the reach of Chaos and their servants. Unfortunately necromancy is its own curse since its very use is actively corrosive to its users mental state and by definition is about subverting the freewill and agency of the souls you enslave. Combine that with the tendency of Order factions to team up when poo poo gets real makes the Warhammer world a strangely stable place.
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Do the skellingtons talk? It would be cool if the Tomb King skeletons talked and bantered some they are more 'lucid' than vampire count skeletons.  Four more millenia till I get to retire! Fat chance of that happening, we're getting stop-lossed till the End Times.
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ZearothK posted:There's fluff that mentions there are mortal citizens of Nehekhara, some of whom even descend from their ancient civilization (and these are regarded as even more precious than the Tomb Kings' loot), they generally live pretty decent lives and are well protected by the Tomb Kings as long as they don't break any of the laws, which are not really more draconian than in any of the other human civilizations, so being a living Tomb King subject is probably one of the better prospects for a normal person in the setting. admittedly almost all of the sources of life in the land are -still- blighted by the sorceries of Nagash, because holy poo poo fucker did not take losing with good grace, but in the few places where there's a well that does not draw black, necrotic ichor it is possible to eke out a lovely, lovely living. every once in a while the ancestors will come to visit. smile, nod, and make sure to offer them something to eat. it gets them to go away faster most of the time.
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Panfilo posted:Do the skellingtons talk? It would be cool if the Tomb King skeletons talked and bantered some they are more 'lucid' than vampire count skeletons. last fluff I saw, the lowest of the skellingtons max out at approximately An NPC In An RPG level intelligence. they remember their legion's battlecry. they remember how to form ranks. they remember how to confirm their masters' orders. thaaaat's about it. the Tomb Guard, as dudes who got properly mummified instead of being tossed into a mass grave wearing their uniforms, actually are capable of basic chitchat. they're not -as- well preserved as their masters, but they're capable of holding a conversation if pressed.
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Do they still remember how to love? Do their military spouses still furtively wait for them to come home? 
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Panfilo posted:Do they still remember how to love? Do their military spouses still furtively wait for them to come home? item one is a bit of a problem for the elite of nehekara Settra doesn't give a poo poo, that is a man whose desires have been entirely conquering based for approximately recorded human history. Khalida doesn't give a poo poo, that is a woman who was 70% As The Goddess Wills in life and has hit 99% in death. Khatep, he's Mortuary Cult, there's rituals involved to solve that little problem. And Arkhan, well, the gently caress is up with Arkhan could fill several books, and probably did before he burned them. but the rest? they've got their minds. they can still love. they can still hunger. they can still thirst. the Mortuary Cult had solved the problem of mental immortality long before! the trick was bringing back all those pesky meaty bits hooked up to those feelings. and on his return, Nagash 2.0 needed an army, and did not need them capable of enjoying the comforts of the living. the Tomb Kings were called back to serve Nagash. and none of them recall what they did in his service before Sigmar caved his skull in, and obedient to the magics of the Cult, they reformed in their tombs. as one, their first action on awakening was making their one-star reviews of the experience to their attending liche-priests. consider the existence of the lords of Nehekara. they hunger, but all food might as well be ashes. they thirst, but cannot be quenched. they get hornt, but their genetalia are as dust. it is perhaps unsurprising they are a bitter bunch of jerks, by and large.
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No wonder they loving hate the vampires, betrayal aside. They get all the parties.
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Jan 10, 2018 06:05
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I'm looking forward to vanguard deploying a bunch of offensive puppet skeletons outside Settras house and stealing all his poo poo.
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Jan 10, 2018 06:12
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Guess vampires are the Chads of the undead.
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Panfilo posted:Guess vampires are the Chads of the undead. If I remember correctly the entire basis of Neferata altering the elixir of life was that she still wanted to look pretty instead of being a dessicatted corpse like Nagash and Arkhan.
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AnEdgelord posted:If I remember correctly the entire basis of Neferata altering the elixir of life was that she still wanted to look pretty instead of being a dessicatted corpse like Nagash and Arkhan. Was it an unintended side effect that the Lahmians were able to use their guile to infiltrate other human civilizations for espionage?
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Panfilo posted:Guess vampires are the Chads of the undead. Fun fact about the Vampires they originally had no weaknesses at all other then a craving for blood (and getting their heads knocked off but everything is weak to that.) The original Vampires after coming into being by checking Nagash's notes and drinking a potion they made. After loosing their home city because they were assholes, they went and signed up with Nagash who took them on as minions. The issue was that he was an rear end in a top hat to them like he was to everyone else and treated them and expected them to act like disposable canon fodder rather then elite generals. Most of the Vampires got fed up with this and ended up ditching Nagash (Using a loophole to break the control he had managed to gain over him) as a massive battle was happening. Nagash always a sore loser, blamed the vampires and their fickleness and cursed them with a universal weakness to the sun and numerous other weaknesses that varied vampire to vampire.
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Panfilo posted:Was it an unintended side effect that the Lahmians were able to use their guile to infiltrate other human civilizations for espionage? Yeah pretty much everything about Vampirism was a side effect.
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Imagine being the vampire coven with a crippling weakness to cryptocurrency! 
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AnEdgelord posted:If I remember correctly the entire basis of Neferata altering the elixir of life was that she still wanted to look pretty instead of being a dessicatted corpse like Nagash and Arkhan. you, weak, vampire, accursed: goes dumpster diving in evil laboratories for makeup tips, has that gross nerd nagash inside you 24/7, cannot bear the touch of the sun, uses melee combat (which is for peasants) me, holy, honorable, blessed: has venom of the snake goddess coursing through my veins, use powdered vampire remains as a foundation, sunbathe solely as an exercise in spite, can block out the sun with arrows on a whim
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MonsterEnvy posted:Yeah pretty much everything about Vampirism was a side effect. quote:Introducing Vampiria(TM) the rejuvenating product to bring that pallor back in your decaying flesh! Vampiria has been proven to improve the effects of millenia of decay, restoring dessicated tissue back to a pasty, ghostly facsimile of the living. Highborn report a 34% increase in passing off as a living descendant of their past selves to the smallfolk, sucessfully maintaining their petty fiefdoms without any pesky living children to interfere with lines of succession. When taken as directed, Vampiria has been shown to dramatically increase the subject's physical strength, magical abilities, and libido. Most subjects taking Vampiria for the past century reported a positive change in their sex life.
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It's gonna be weird having the Tomb Kings without Neferata as a bonus LL.
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Is there an achievement for treasury size? I'm on a plundering tour of Ulthuan and I've stopped having any use for gold other than piling it up and cackling evilly.
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Eej posted:It's gonna be weird having the Tomb Kings without Neferata as a bonus LL. I could see her being in 3 as a DLC/FLC. That's of course if they add the Dark Lands and rejigger the World's Edge Mountains a bit. As it stands I think putting her in Lahmia would make things a little crowded, plus unless they give her some unique units it would be a waste of her character.
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Panfilo posted:Do the skellingtons talk? It would be cool if the Tomb King skeletons talked and bantered some they are more 'lucid' than vampire count skeletons. They do but they speak a... dead language.
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Since people were complaining about Morathi being hard earlier I replayed her scenario on very hard until it lost any challenge. It doesn't take long. Here is my advice if you have trouble with her: Fall back within reinforcement range of your city but also within range of the nearby much larger enemy delf stack. It'll attack you on turn 1 and once you easily beat it taking the rest of the province is trivial. Don't spend level up points at 4 or 5. Once you hit 6 you can pick up her special tree to get +15 magic and +2 sorceresses. You want to recruit 2 ASAP, fire and shadow. Morathi's spells are terrible, don't waste time with them. Her primary early game strength is her heroes. Take the upgrade to reduce ability costs with your heroes. It stacks with your faction ability to make special actions 90% off, next to nothing. Go on an assault and tech stealing rampage with your heroes to quickly level them up. Get (and fully upgrade) the wind spells with your sorceresses as soon as possible. Use flaming skull against low armor targets. Pendulum against high armor. Wait until the opponent has engaged your line and is tied up in melee. Collect slaves in your home province, no where else. Build slave pens in every city in your home province to maximize income. Your special building chain should cause your income to skyrocket. It is more important to sack enemy cities than occupy them early game. Early army composition is dread spears, shielded dark shards, your starting hydra, and 1 or 2 sorcerers. You should make the trade good buildings in your starting province even if you don't have a trade partner so your fresh troops start at silver rank. Eventually you'll want to some red tree buffs for your army, the yellow tree (I go with damage since her charge bonus ends up absurd enough to make melee attack irrelevant and she'll be tanky once you get enough warding), and either of her branching trees. Both exclusive trees are really good. Insidious lets your shades shred any light cav that tries to tie them up and makes dark riders actually usable. The biggest boon is the -10 enemy leadership though. Combine it with a flaming skull to instantly break enemies that have been worn down by darkshards. It is even better once you have a sword that gives fear and terror. Other tree is more for darkshards plus high tier infantry (so you can actually afford them). Upkeep reduction is less important if you've been collecting slaves though. Might be more important on Legendary. Edit: And prioritize her quest. Once you invoke the ritual you can pretty quickly get your sorceresses to level 20+. Once she has started down the yellow tree, is riding a nightmare, and has her quest item she becomes an incredible assassin. KPC_Mammon fucked around with this message at 08:14 on Jan 10, 2018 |
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Man I don't recall the TW1 DLC being $20 a throw. I mean I'll buy it, but it seems like a lot.
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Rookersh posted:Man, Greenskins are just boring. Greenskins are pretty much balanced with the expectation that you have a Waaagh stack with you for every battle. Don't even bother fighting the beard-things without one.
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JBP posted:Man I don't recall the TW1 DLC being $20 a throw. I mean I'll buy it, but it seems like a lot. It's $5 on the margin dude. It's a sandwich more. You are funding the excellent post launch support for this game.
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Arglebargle III posted:It's $5 on the margin dude. It's a sandwich more. There is no question with regard to me buying all the DLC, I just didn't remember paying more than $10 for the original ones (must have been thinking of the lower intensity LL DLC). I just went on Steam and proved myself wrong since there are DLC factions for $17. e: actually it was only WE and Beastmen that were expensive and they came with their own self contained campaigns. JBP fucked around with this message at 08:40 on Jan 10, 2018 |
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JBP posted:Vlad is awesome and did nothing wrong. He spawned Boring Von Carstein so I think he has something to answer for  Panfilo posted:Do they still remember how to love? Do their military spouses still furtively wait for them to come home? I remember there being a story (and I half remember this so correct me if I'm wrong) about some guy whose wife was sick so he went all over the place to find a cure and he gets to the Tomb King lands and his guide helps him break in so they can loot some poo poo and they get caught by skelly guards who take them to the Tomb King. Tomb King asks why the gently caress they are trespassing and stealing his poo poo, and the guide says some dumb obvious bullshit and the Tomb King gestures and his guard whacks off the guide's head. He turns to the husband and asks why he's trespassing and stealing his poo poo and the husband talks about his wife and how much he loves her and doesn'twant her to die and he's desperate to find a way to help her and he'd gladly die for her. The Tomb King stares at him for a bit then makes a different gesture and a liche priest comes out with a book and gives it to the husband and the Tomb King tells him I too dearly loved my wife and would sacrifice everything for her, here's a book you can use to cure yours. Go home to her. Mummies love their spouces too 
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So are we fighting a disembodied spirit of Nagash/summoning him in the final battle for the Tomb Kings? If this is how they do it, will he show up as a face in the background skybox?
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wrt the personality and memories of the rank and file tomb king soldiers; keep in mind that even if they do still have all their thoughts and emotions (which they don’t) they voluntarily marched in formation into a giant pit to be buried alive to fight for their king for all eternity; if anything they’re getting exactly what they wanted
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Scrub-Niggurath posted:wrt the personality and memories of the rank and file tomb king soldiers; keep in mind that even if they do still have all their thoughts and emotions (which they don’t) wow racist
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I'm more looking forward to them just patching up the various bugs and norsca fixes then tomb kings themselves. All of the tomb king monsters look like they have attack animations that send them a mile away while sending infantry flying, good luck surrounding them with spearmen.
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Ra Ra Rasputin posted:I'm more looking forward to them just patching up the various bugs and norsca fixes then tomb kings themselves. Good. All I can hear in my head is a voice yelling Demigryph Knights.
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They did two more LLs instead of a mini-campaign because no one cared about the mini-campaigns. I, personally, am happy about this.
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Senor Dog posted:They did two more LLs instead of a mini-campaign because no one cared about the mini-campaigns. I, personally, am happy about this. Yeah it's good. I was just talking the price comparison. Chaos has 3 and Norsca is pretty beefy for having 2. They were  E: anyway I'm not being a dickhead or saying it's bad, I was just surprised at $20. I assume the vortex campaign is going to be pretty interesting given you just pursue your own goals while the idiot blood havers run around chasing rats. JBP fucked around with this message at 13:56 on Jan 10, 2018 |
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Its Rinaldo posted:I remember there being a story (and I half remember this so correct me if I'm wrong) about some guy whose wife was sick so he went all over the place to find a cure and he gets to the Tomb King lands and his guide helps him break in so they can loot some poo poo and they get caught by skelly guards who take them to the Tomb King. Tomb King asks why the gently caress they are trespassing and stealing his poo poo, and the guide says some dumb obvious bullshit and the Tomb King gestures and his guard whacks off the guide's head. He turns to the husband and asks why he's trespassing and stealing his poo poo and the husband talks about his wife and how much he loves her and doesn'twant her to die and he's desperate to find a way to help her and he'd gladly die for her. I was literally coming to mention that story, someone in the thread a long time ago did it real justice and I've had it at the back of my mind since. Anyone have a link to that post or to the story?
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The Gotrek & Felix novel "The Serpent Queen" has some really good Tomb Kings characters as well.
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i watched that video and i am now a Big Tomb King Fan
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Tomb Kings are awesome, and if I am going to a mortal empires game, it is going to be "Khalida: The Turbomurder of Vampires" for proper justice (also did I just read that right she gives poison to ALL her archers?)
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dead comedy forums posted:Tomb Kings are awesome, and if I am going to a mortal empires game, it is going to be "Khalida: The Turbomurder of Vampires" for proper justice All her units, not just archers.
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