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Jul 9, 2017 07:56
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Hey guys, does this count as war profiteering?
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Jul 9, 2017 10:07
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Yes. The best kind of war profiteering. Hayard-Günnes should go full Saint's Row and sell in-universe merch. Yvonmukluk posted:
The Iranians fly F-14s, don't they? The F-14 is probably one of the worst possible aircraft for mercs considering operating costs and availability of spare parts but I wouldn't complain if we could get our hands on a few 
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Jul 9, 2017 10:50
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Woah you've got a bunch of good shirts in your profile. I gotta pick some of those up next time I've got some cash.
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Jul 9, 2017 15:27
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PenguinSalsa posted:The Iranians fly F-14s, don't they? The F-14 is probably one of the worst possible aircraft for mercs considering operating costs and availability of spare parts but I wouldn't complain if we could get our hands on a few I have been shilling for Iranian hardware for months Maybe someday I should do a writeup that's nothing but a summary of their stuff.
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Jul 9, 2017 16:15
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power crystals posted:I have been shilling for Iranian hardware for months You should. I love reading about these more obscure air forces.
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Jul 9, 2017 18:37
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Is the Qaher-313 in the database and is the Iranian government willing to sell us some?
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Jul 9, 2017 19:12
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Stago Lego posted:You should. I love reading about these more obscure air forces. Isn't the Iranian air force actually pretty significant, having completely kicked the poo poo out of the Iraqi one during the Iran-Iraq war?
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Jul 9, 2017 19:15
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Even if we didn't buy the Iranian kitties, barring some third party licensing them, Iran is the only source of F-14 spare parts. There's a similar issue with buying Intruders, we would either have to buy more than we want to fly so we can cannibalize them for parts or assume there's a third party making either parts or whole aircraft.
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Jul 9, 2017 20:27
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Night10194 posted:Isn't the Iranian air force actually pretty significant, having completely kicked the poo poo out of the Iraqi one during the Iran-Iraq war? The Iranian airforce was a strong and modern force during the seventies. They flew then-modern Tomcats and had an order out for F16s. Then the Iranian revolution went down and the US threw a weapons embargo on them. And then the Iran-Iraq war happened These days there´s not a lot left of their US built fleet, and they only managed to acquire a few handfuls of MiG-29 Fulcrums and J-7's.
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Jul 9, 2017 20:32
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Coffeehitler posted:Even if we didn't buy the Iranian kitties, barring some third party licensing them, Iran is the only source of F-14 spare parts. Dance Officer posted:The Iranian airforce was a strong and modern force during the seventies. They flew then-modern Tomcats and had an order out for F16s. Then the Iranian revolution went down and the US threw a weapons embargo on them. And then the Iran-Iraq war happened Apparently they were considering selling their Tomcats to Canada for well below market price, since the Canadians pointed out they'd never be able to get the spare parts, but then the whole Argo stuff went down and for some reason Iran didn't want to make the deal any more.
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Jul 9, 2017 20:50
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aphid_licker posted:Is the Qaher-313 in the database and is the Iranian government willing to sell us some? No. Does that thing even fly? I thought it was just a body kit around some poo poo they bought off AliExpress. Stago Lego posted:You should. I love reading about these more obscure air forces. Eh, why not. Here's Everything You Didn't Know You Wanted To Know About Iran. As usual, ignoring older variants of the same aircraft. Iran's hardware is defined by "nobody wants to sell to these guys", so they buy everything in bits and pieces and as a result have an utterly weird mishmash of crap. Their planes are this bizarre union of American, Russian, Chinese, and French, with some domestic variants thrown in and then for weapons they took those same four sources, threw them into a blender, and attached whatever they could in the order it fell out. The American weapons they do have have a Sell By date from the 1970s (750lb bombs may as well be extinct anywhere else), but their Russian/Soviet stuff is all over the place from the 1960s to relatively modern. Nothing makes any sense and it is all glorious and beautiful. If only I had a crying Iranian flag to put here. Boring poo poo first. They have access to C-130Es, C-130Hs, CH-47Cs, and Bell 214As ("Huey Plus", whatever that is) for cargo. Not even going to bother linking these. Their have two gunships, the AH-1J Sea Cobra with access to rocket pods and TOWs, and the most  of helicopters, the SH-3D Sea King equipped for ASW though not very good at it. We can ignore all of this.Okay, onto the fun stuff. Fighters:
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Wishlist: The F-14s, the KC-747(s), the Frogfeet, and while we're at it maybe that IL-76 because hey we could always use a spare.
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Jul 9, 2017 21:35
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I was making a joke 
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Jul 9, 2017 21:36
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Honestly there's weirder hypotheticals in there so I actually had to check
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Jul 9, 2017 21:43
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power crystals posted:Everything You Didn't Know You Wanted To Know About Iran. Thanks, I always wondered what their air force looked like. Quite the hodgepodge of frames. Make due with what you have as they say.
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Jul 9, 2017 21:52
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Note: The Iranians apparently don't release performance specs on their gear, so their domestic stuff generally isn't in the Command DB. Stuff they make relevant to us, for academic interest: Planes: Saeqeh: their Mk 2 of their reserve-engineered F-5s. No info on what weapons they carry, apparently looks like a F-5/F-20 except for having a Hornet-like tail. Maybe buy as counts-as F-20s? Qahar: Supposedly a stealth design, the thing they rolled out that was supposed to be it looked fake as gently caress in several ways. Shafaq: Another stealth thing, no eyes has been laid on it. HESA IrAn-140: License Built An-140 if we want those for some reason. Helos: Shahed 285: Militarized Bell Jetranger Copies. As crap as you'd expect. Anti-ship variant does carry 2 missiles, but... Toufan: Something based on the Cobra. No idea what the weapons are like, but they only started flying in 07/13 for the two different versions. Panha 2091: Upgrades on their actual Cobra. Apparently have no TOWs? Utility Helos: Huey/Jetranger copies + a domestic that has a lesser load. UAVs: Iran apparently has around 20 different types of UAVs, including weapon carriers. Only ones in the DB are a couple short-range recon ones, though. SAMs: They have Gargoyles and a bunch of lesser things from the Ruskies. Also two domestic systems of note: Bavar 373: They apparently went and developed this thing after their S-300 buys kept getting delayed/hosed with. Has phased array radars, apparently. No entry in DB, of course. Mersad: Upgraded/domestic production Hawk. In DB, doesn't appear different from our existing HAWKs. Open to question if DB stats on the thing are right, of course.
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Jul 9, 2017 22:21
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power crystals posted:Eh, why not. Here's Everything You Didn't Know You Wanted To Know About Iran. As usual, ignoring older variants of the same aircraft. Excellent writeup! I actually suspect that I learned about the Iranian F-14s from one of your posts now that you mention it. The HAWK missile would be hilarious for the WTF factor and for having a fighter that shares ammunition with one of our SAM systems.
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Jul 10, 2017 01:04
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It looks like the Bell 214A Huey Plus is a single-engine high(er)-altitude export-only version of the Bell 212/UH-1 Twin Huey. The difference? The Twin Huey is a twin engine version. Fun-fact: the Bell 214ST, developed from the 214A looks like some bizarre crossing between the Huey and the Blackhawk, from the wiki pictures.
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Jul 10, 2017 01:36
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drat, you ain't lying about the Qaher-313: the only thing I can find that has a similar looking air intake size is a trainer version of the BAe Hawk. That means that if Iran keeps working at it, they might have the fanciest looking close-support plane that's roughly on par with the other 500 close-support aircraft made by every other industrial country on the planet. It looks like someone just tapered the wings of a jet from Macross:  
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Jul 10, 2017 04:35
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Nick Esasky posted:Shafaq: Another stealth thing, no eyes has been laid on it.
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Jul 10, 2017 12:54
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 Mission running in 3.5 hours. 10:00 EST.  Zack got a hold of me and, in between pontificating about the Seahawks, he let slip about a cargo drop in the Bering Sea. Do pray tell, I said to Zack. So it seems the US Navy has air deployed buoys in the Bering Sea.  The interesting part is... the buoy contains a drone. Not just any drone, but a drone suited to surveil possible hostiles. We can't control the drone but it's going to fly a pattern over St. Lawrence and feed us intel. The drone is an MQ-8C Fire-X UAV. So we're probably going to owe Zack big for this one, but I think that's OK. What's the worst that could happen right?
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Jul 11, 2017 23:41
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Finally, some good ne.... ! Oh. <tugs collar> <makes "NgNgNgNg" noise> ps. Stream is up but not active yet.
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Jul 12, 2017 02:45
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For those of you who are going to see this thread after the mission livestream: We need Hornets. Badly. Why? Because Our Phantoms are just not cutting it.
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Jul 12, 2017 03:23
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HereticMIND posted:For those of you who are going to see this thread after the mission livestream: We need Hornets. Badly. Why? Because Our Phantoms are just not cutting it. We could have sold the nuke to MicroZon and then bought export F-22s off Tesla as they try to raise cash. But noooooo, goons want to be responsible or something.
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Jul 12, 2017 03:37
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Olothreutes posted:We could have sold the nuke to MicroZon and then bought export F-22s off Tesla as they try to raise cash. But noooooo, goons want to be responsible or something. Hey don't look at me 
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Jul 12, 2017 03:42
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Olothreutes posted:We could have sold the nuke to MicroZon and then bought export F-22s off Tesla as they try to raise cash. But noooooo, goons want to be responsible or something. Hey, we prefer to not serve during a thermonuclear war.
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Jul 12, 2017 03:46
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HereticMIND posted:Hey, we prefer to not serve during a thermonuclear war. It wouldn't be a thermonuclear war. Presumably the Tesla/Facebook group doesn't have nukes to throw back. Also: But why not, though? It could be amazing.
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Jul 12, 2017 04:07
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Just got back from watching the whole stream, and yeah, we got boots on the ground, and blew up a lot of poo poo, but it looked like Cobbie and four other choppers got shot out of the sky during the landing in St. Lawrence. Cobbie survived, somehow, and now they're moving up against a bunch more entrenched crap. There's a bajilion dudes and loads of SAM launchers up there still. This will only get uglier.
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Jul 12, 2017 04:32
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Olothreutes posted:It wouldn't be a thermonuclear war. Presumably the Tesla/Facebook group doesn't have nukes to throw back. It could also force us to take the fall for starting World War III.
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Jul 12, 2017 04:33
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AAR: LOL I'm not spoiling that because it's always true
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Jul 12, 2017 04:34
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Yooper: Put me down in the replacement queue for UAVs only, though hopefully something better than the Sperwer. At this point I think MEAT the character isn't gonna want to touch anything else. Plus nobody else seems to want those anyway, maybe I can talk whoever gets the next one into giving up their spot. C'mon Zack, sell us something ridiculous. Or maybe K&P can dig up a nEUROn somehow. Actual thoughts: What a clusterfuck. We came out okay in the end but that was way messier than it should have been. We need GPS guided weapons (not necessarily SDBs though those are obviously the cream of the crop) to deal with bad weather because trying to sneak in to laze things is a horrible idea as demonstrated. Doubly so on landing next to MANPADS. Phantoms continue to hit way above their paygrade although we're probably going to wind up being able to afford stuff that strictly outclasses them, sadly. And you assholes owe me a new... well not a ride. But you get the idea ps I'm keeping the trailer, gently caress you all
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Jul 12, 2017 04:37
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Well.... To be honest, any WWII operation of that nature shows how confused and bloody even successful opposed landsings are, and that's with resources beyond our wildest dreams. That we got a decent-sized force on the island at all means it's a success by our standards. But yeesh. I'll miss the Reaper.
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Jul 12, 2017 04:41
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So how do we get Cobbie back off the island if we have no more helicoptors? 
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Jul 12, 2017 04:45
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I'll get the mission up tomorrow. tl;dr, it went OK, I screwed up the bomb loadout on the AMX's. I'll be sure to rectify this in an IC manner down the road. Overall it went well. Just say that the ground crew loaded Paveways instead of JDAM's due to a bad batch of Russian Vodka. Losses and Expenditures for us, and them below. US 1x F-4E Phantom II 6x Infantry Section [7.62mm MG/Unguided Infantry Anti Tank Weapon] 3x Mi-8MT Hip H 1x MQ-9B Reaper-ER Blk 5 UAV 1x SAS Saboteur 1x Tornado IDS (Cobbie Survived) THEM 1x CC-150T Polaris [Airbus A.310-300 MRTT] 4x F/A-18A Hornet [CF-188A] 1x UH-60L Blackhawk 4x 20mm/85 Vulcan M167 [500 rnds] 3x A-37B Dragonfly [Super Tweet] 3x Aster TEL 1x F 792 Premier Maître L' Her [A 69] 6x FN-6 MANPADS 3x Infantry Section [7.62mm MG/Unguided Infantry Anti Tank Weapon] 2x P 6141 S 41 Tiger [Type 148] 2x R.440 Crotale NG 1x Radar (GM 406 Ground Master) 1x Radar (Master-T) 4x Roland 3 4x Su-25K Frogfoot A
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Jul 12, 2017 04:46
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Yooper posted:I'll get the mission up tomorrow. tl;dr, it went OK, I screwed up the bomb loadout on the AMX's. I'll be sure to rectify this in an IC manner down the road. Overall it went well. Just say that the ground crew loaded Paveways instead of JDAM's due to a bad batch of Russian Vodka. 
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Jul 12, 2017 04:55
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power crystals posted:ps I'm keeping the trailer, gently caress you all maybe that gets us a discount on the next UAV. Also, I don't think anyone wants it now what with all the cumstains you've added
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Jul 12, 2017 05:07
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So I'm making a shopping list for after our next mission/the second half of our current mission, and the discord has decided that we might need more CAP than CAS. Flankers and Eagles have been thrown around, as well as Foxhounds and Bugs. If you have any plane suggestions, speak up via PM or @ me in the discord. Otherwise I'm gonna open Google Docs sometime tomorrow/later today after I get some loving sleep because holy poo poo it's 0130 hrs ET over here and start working on our future shopping trip. HereticMIND fucked around with this message at 06:25 on Jul 12, 2017 |
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Jul 12, 2017 06:20
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That wasn't as bad as it could have been! So, for the moment we Have most of our men on the island but kinda dropped them right where the heavy artillery is so we kinda need to get them backup asap, but upside is we do have at least (localized) air superiority so can do a lot of ground strikes in short order to give them backup? Or I missing what our general operational status is at this point?
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Jul 12, 2017 06:50
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 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRcjX9wjZXQ More details on the mission to follow later today. (Payout, etc.)
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Jul 12, 2017 12:21
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HereticMIND posted:So I'm making a shopping list for after our next mission/the second half of our current mission, and the discord has decided that we might need more CAP than CAS. Flankers and Eagles have been thrown around, as well as Foxhounds and Bugs. I don't know what's even the point of this until we know how the next procurement round is going to work. If it's buy a single package like the last two then just assume whichever option has the most Gripens will win. I'm pretty sure we aren't seeing a freeform one ever again regardless, in which case all you can really do is collate peoples' preferences to try to influence the choices presented, and I don't think "people want high end multirole fighters" is going to be news to anyone. Kilonum posted:maybe that gets us a discount on the next UAV. Also, I don't think anyone wants it now what with all the cumstains you've added I will have you know MEAT is far too neat to have this be a problem.
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