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Dancer posted:(slight hyperbole for clarity). It seems to my mind that you are trying to a) start fights with a lot of people and b) doing it loudly/forced (some of your accusations are bullshit, like even if it is your policy to insta-lynch 3P, I don't see why you thought MMT actually was 3P). This fits with a scum trying really hard to get some dirt to stick to someone, without much caring who it is (as long as, presumably, it's not some other scum). It's a little bit of WIFOM, in that in my personal experience (which may very well be different from SA mafia, I legit don't know), scum explicitly want to fly under the radar, they don't want to be too loud, but if you know that I expect that, you will think I will trust you because you're loud. merk posted:We probably should start talking about who we are going to lynch soon. If we don't, we're going to be mad dash bad voting through the d1 lynch with little to no explanation for why people are voting the way they're voting. This is the post of the game where I started "going aggro." Can you see a town intent behind my aggressive playstyle after reading it? If so, do you still think I'm scum?
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If I get lynched for trying to get the game to put votes down and start talking about who is scum instead of petering into the d1 lynch with garbage, I'm going to be rightly upset at SA Mafia.
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Feb 27, 2018 15:51
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merk posted:As someone who also has the funny stuff, friend, I don't think it confirms alignment. Are you posting in a different way because it affected your code?
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Feb 27, 2018 15:51
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Tolly Totes posted:Are you posting in a different way because it affected your code? Yes, friend, but if this is a scum-imposed PR, then it would be incredibly easy to fake for scum while getting confirmation from town that it's a "real thing" publicly in thread. If it's not a scum-imposed PR, we have no idea how the action would impact humans. What if a human received a PM that said "Someone thinks you're a host and is trying to mess with your code. You might want to play along." I don't think the PR says anything about alignment.
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Feb 27, 2018 15:54
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Hal Incandenza posted:I dunno I can't see merk and lumpen of all people deciding to gambit PRs and I think we have established at this point that being a HOST and being HOST-aligned aren't necessarily the same and it wouldn't even be a very effective gambit if the idea was to clear themselves merk, basking in my fond Mafia-memories for 10-15 minutes while lying in bed last night was more appealing than poring over posts in this game for evidence. I'm not good or anything. Anyway, LumpenList process in progress now.
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Feb 27, 2018 15:57
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merk posted:Yes, friend, but if this is a scum-imposed PR, then it would be incredibly easy to fake for scum while getting confirmation from town that it's a "real thing" publicly in thread. If it's not a scum-imposed PR, we have no idea how the action would impact humans. What if a human received a PM that said "Someone thinks you're a host and is trying to mess with your code. You might want to play along." This is a good point, but I don't think Scum-merk would make it at this time and gamestate. I continue to feel merk is likely Town based on the PR, but he gives good reason not to write it off for the whole game. For either of us and certainly not for people in future days.
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Feb 27, 2018 15:59
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I think the suspicious things that Lumpen's done have been holding on to cases he doesn't seem to believe in and getting weirdly ardent about people responding to relatively unimportant questions. His rereading old stuff doesn't seem weird and his Funny Talking seems like a point in his favour
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Feb 27, 2018 16:01
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Lumpen posted:merk, basking in my fond Mafia-memories for 10-15 minutes while lying in bed last night was more appealing than poring over posts in this game for evidence. I'm not good or anything. Ha, ok, that's fair. ##unvote Still reading.
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Feb 27, 2018 16:05
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I guess what you're saying makes sense. I legit don't know who to vote now (Snail still my #1 but that's unlikely to actually happen). ##vote snail, with the understanding that I will probably have to swap to help a lynch happen. I'll make sure to come back home at least an hour before deadline so I actually have time to read.
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Feb 27, 2018 16:09
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~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* TOTALLY TOWN
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Feb 27, 2018 16:09
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Why would you include yourself on your own list?
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Feb 27, 2018 16:10
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When I dashed off my mini-list pages back I realized I'd forgotten to mention that I found Atomic Soda suspicious, but that's been on my mind a while unmentioned. On an isolated reread flerp popped as suspicious, and KB especially seemed Scummy on re-read. He has lurked, contributed nothing, and stuck up for AA and voted MMT in retaliation for her pursuing AA. Despite the fact that I'm barely worth paying attention to and LumpenLists are stupid, I feel pretty comfortable with my reads and look forward to seeing how right I am as flips happen.
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Feb 27, 2018 16:12
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Tolly Totes posted:Why would you include yourself on your own list? THAT IS THE PROTOCOL! A well-formatted LumpenList must include EVERY PLAYER on the roster, with links to their posts, this facilitates other using those links for their own analysis and helps them to make their own list by simply quoting the post and moving lines around. I would want your list to have my name in it, and I would not want to do anything to obscure my own post history from analysis. I know that's all dumb and autistic but what can I say, I'm probably retarded or something.
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Feb 27, 2018 16:14
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So to be clear here you think I'm Mostly Mafia because I had the third vote on a dude in a game that needs 12 votes to kill somebody?
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Feb 27, 2018 16:15
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Tolly-chan, what do you think about KB?
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Feb 27, 2018 16:16
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Lumpen posted:THAT IS THE PROTOCOL! A well-formatted LumpenList must include EVERY PLAYER on the roster, with links to their posts, this facilitates other using thse links for their own analysis and helps them to make their own list by simply quoting the post and moving lines around. I would want your list to have my name in it, and I would not want to do anything to obscure my own post history from analysis. I know this is all meaningless but couldn't you just have another section, like uh, Lovable Lumpen or something? I just keep looking at that list and imaging a situation where you'd somehow drop lower on your own list.
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Feb 27, 2018 16:18
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Tolly Totes posted:I know this is all meaningless but couldn't you just have another section, like uh, Lovable Lumpen or something? I just keep looking at that list and imaging a situation where you'd somehow drop lower on your own list. Just my advice, you don't have to listen.
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Feb 27, 2018 16:21
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Tolly Totes posted:So to be clear here you think I'm Mostly Mafia because I had the third vote on a dude in a game that needs 12 votes to kill somebody?
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Feb 27, 2018 16:22
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Lumpen posted:It's a reliable tell... I didn't create Mafia psychology, don't blame me. It's extremely goofy. Your vote on me was a third vote, was that a tell?
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Feb 27, 2018 16:24
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Tolly Totes posted:It's extremely goofy. Your vote on me was a third vote, was that a tell?
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Feb 27, 2018 16:25
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why are you going so hard on lumpen for putting himself in his own list when others have done the same with no reaction from you?
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Feb 27, 2018 16:27
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merk posted:Yes, friend, but if this is a scum-imposed PR, then it would be incredibly easy to fake for scum while getting confirmation from town that it's a "real thing" publicly in thread. If it's not a scum-imposed PR, we have no idea how the action would impact humans. What if a human received a PM that said "Someone thinks you're a host and is trying to mess with your code. You might want to play along." this is an oddly specific detail to throw in there as a what-if.
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Feb 27, 2018 16:28
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If it's not too much trouble, perhaps you would like to take a look at this classic even though it's no good...
That Reveals Scums Every Time *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
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Feb 27, 2018 16:29
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sentimental snail posted:why are you going so hard on lumpen for putting himself in his own list when others have done the same with no reaction from you? I don't think it's suspicious! Just funny. I guess I didn't notice the others.
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Feb 27, 2018 16:30
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merk posted:Tolly-chan, what do you think about KB? He's deliberately posting short sentences. I don't know if this a Hemingway like effort to be as efficient as possible, but he hasn't claimed a Funny Talk. His vote on b-minus is one I disagree with but it was a while ago so it doesn't hold much sway for me. His defence to being compared with Mr F! is bad because he misreads the implications and rushes in to make his longest two posts in the thread to explain that somebody has posted less content than him. Posting a votecount while saying nothing is maybe self aware at this point. I actually don't like this. It's hard to read anything particular from the very short posts, but he said he was going to do that before the game so I can't hold the shortness of the posts against him, but I do think his extreme reaction to the Mr. F comparison is fishy enough for a vote. That's basically the only thing of substance in there, so I do think he's a good mafia candidate for now
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Feb 27, 2018 16:40
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I forgot Mr. Fffey was even in the game.
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Feb 27, 2018 16:43
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Mr. F! posted:Nothing glaring is sticking out at me w/r/t Merk. Mr. F! posted:I could see it being Gridlocked. That's all we get, friends!
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Feb 27, 2018 16:43
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Lumpen posted:That's for you to decide. But when I invited you to make that case to see where you'd take it, you just slinked away. I said what I said. You acted like you didn't understand what I meant, but clearly you did since you're talking about it now. I even explained why I didn't think that discussion would be productive. The fact is that I don't think this 3rd vote thing is any indicator at all, so I'm not going to take the same silly reasoning you gave to vote me and make an argument just as silly towards you. To be even clearer here, I think you voted me initially because you wanted to stir up discussion, is that correct?
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Feb 27, 2018 16:47
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sentimental snail posted:rf willfully tossed out a vote without reading to see what he was agreeing with, or even checking to see if he actually agreed with something. Do you still believe in this vote, guy?
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Feb 27, 2018 16:49
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Tolly Totes posted:I said what I said. You acted like you didn't understand what I meant, but clearly you did since you're talking about it now. I even explained why I didn't think that discussion would be productive. I judge you Supposably Scummy and would be very satisfied to have you lynched today. For what it's worth, not much considering who's saying it.
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Feb 27, 2018 16:57
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Lumpen posted:No, it's because I see it as a valid and reliable Scumtell worthy of a D1 vote, based on 10 years of Mafia. I haven't seen anything from you that strikes me as exculpatory since then, so I see no compelling reason to second-guess. Your vote on Tobbs was bad, and then you posted some overexplained self-conscious defense of your vote, and unvoted it. Since then you've done no Scumhunting and mainly just engaged in irrelevant chitchat and question-asking not pursuant to Scumhunting. Why are you talking to me?
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Feb 27, 2018 16:59
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Tolly Totes posted:Why are you talking to me? I am interested in finding reason to change my mind about you. If you're Town and I'm wrong, please consider posting a List of your own, ranking every player. You can just edit mine, it's easy. I challenge you to take some on-the-record decisive stands on who you think are Scum. And cast a vote. If you're Scum then feel free to carry on just as you have been. Or just ignore me because I'm beneath taking notice of.
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Feb 27, 2018 17:09
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Assume any of my posts in the next few hours are phoneposts. What are people’s thoughts on Dead Cows? The post (s)he made throwing shade on AA for changing his mind on me seems like it couldn’t possibly have come from town.
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Murmur Twin posted:Assume any of my posts in the next few hours are phoneposts. Her hand waving away DGK is weird, friend. Her only real case in the game is a light prod at AA. She's around but not doing anything that helps us find scum. I have a soft spot for Dead Cow though because I've tunneled on her as town in multiple games like four years ago.
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Feb 27, 2018 17:13
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Her poke at AA would ping me less if it came with a vote, friend.
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Feb 27, 2018 17:14
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merk posted:MMT, what do you think about my Lumpen analysis now that you know that Lumpen was barely following along? I’m mostly skimming for now but will fine-toothed comb it later and give a better reply. My gut reaction is that it doesn’t mean much because I think you’re scum together, so the fact that Lumpens excuse is what you thought it would be isn’t hugely convincing to me. That said I’m trying to keep an open mind.
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Feb 27, 2018 17:17
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merk posted:I have a soft spot for Dead Cow though because I've tunneled on her as town in multiple games like four years ago. I’m very not-a-fan of how you keep acknowledging people (lumpen and DC) are doing scummy things but then coming up with some out-of-game reason not to show suspicion or apply pressure.
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Feb 27, 2018 17:19
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Lumpen posted:If it's not too much trouble, perhaps you would like to take a look at this classic even though it's no good... lol, the self-serving example
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Feb 27, 2018 17:19
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Escuse me for sharing my worthless opinions, but in my experience Dead Cow often looks Scummy despite being Town. I don't know if I've ever seen her Scum game. I don't think I've ever seen her use any sort of gambit or guile, I think she sincerely posts about what crosses her mind and she reads that way to me in this game. I have her around the middle of my List, she hasn't pinged me but also hasn't done anything worthy of Town cred. I wouldn't prefer to vote her today. Also keep in mind that she and DGK2000 are very close IRL.
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Hot Takes because working: I don't get gridlock hanging onto my jokephase vote that has been thoroughly discussed. Lumpen is also weird about it for lumpen reasons. Gridlock looks worse. Stand by what I said on Snail which is Stick Up?
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