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It would be nice if we just had Pirelli say here are the tires do whatever you want with them, and you could either stop or chose not to stop but its still going to be some ludicrous rule like "each rear tire must run 3.5 different compounds with air pressures set according to your qualifying lap." or something equally stupid.
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Alain Post posted:Rock hard tires that last the whole race was 2005 and that was boring as poo poo. tell that to kimi
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Jul 16, 2016 18:22
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Are the superfat tyres going to help much with the shitfest that is 'running in dirty air'? Or will the new aero rules bring us back to exactly where we are now, but with smaller lap times? Also, if the tyres don't turn to poo poo in 10 laps, won't that reduce the amount of marbling and crap littering the corners, and thus allow for more of the track to be used?
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Jul 16, 2016 19:06
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1500quidporsche posted:It would be nice if we just had Pirelli say here are the tires do whatever you want with them, and you could either stop or chose not to stop but its still going to be some ludicrous rule like "each rear tire must run 3.5 different compounds with air pressures set according to your qualifying lap." or something equally stupid. I actually like the current "you get a selection of tires and choose which ones you want over the weekend" system as a compromise.
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Jul 16, 2016 19:11
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Goetta posted:When was the last zero stop race I would possibly say the 1961 Dutch GP as there were no retirements as well as no pit stops.
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Jul 16, 2016 19:29
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Mika Salo didn't stop at the '97 Monaco GP.
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Jul 16, 2016 19:32
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Alain Post posted:I actually like the current "you get a selection of tires and choose which ones you want over the weekend" system as a compromise. I'd agree that given the FIA and Bernie's insistence on having some gimmick related to tires and/or fuel this is probably the best system we'll get.
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Jul 16, 2016 22:59
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As dangerous and expensive as it was, I enjoyed the days of fuel stops. It gave teams more options to get ahead or fail spectacularly. If you wanted to qualify up front, you only gave them 8 laps of fuel and dealt with it in the race with a really short first stint. Short fills would keep the car lighter/faster, and long stops would add weight and slow you down. It had far more strategy involved.
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Jul 16, 2016 23:14
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frankenbeans posted:As dangerous and expensive as it was, I enjoyed the days of fuel stops. It gave teams more options to get ahead or fail spectacularly. If you wanted to qualify up front, you only gave them 8 laps of fuel and dealt with it in the race with a really short first stint. Short fills would keep the car lighter/faster, and long stops would add weight and slow you down. It had far more strategy involved. It was also really interesting when you didnt know after q3 what everyones fuel load was, and wondered "Ohh is mclaren actually that fast or is ferrari just fueled for a long opening stint", so of course the year after they started publishing all the fuel figures before the race and taking out all the fun mystery and speculation. They remove fueling because its expensive to fly the rigs around but Johnny Sponsor still can ignore the race in a 10 million dollar hospitality center. Just like removing radio messages for the most part, f1 seems determined to take anything enjoyable out of the sport that might distract you from "PIRELLI PIRELLI PIRELLI" "ROLEX ROLEX ROLEX" MattD1zzl3 fucked around with this message at 23:20 on Jul 16, 2016 |
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Jul 16, 2016 23:17
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Riso posted:Reminder: Pastor Maldonado is still the last GP winner for Williams F1. Kimi is Ferrari's last WDC
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MattD1zzl3 posted:It was also really interesting when you didnt know after q3 what everyones fuel load was, and wondered "Ohh is mclaren actually that fast or is ferrari just fueled for a long opening stint", so of course the year after they started publishing all the fuel figures before the race and taking out all the fun mystery and speculation. They remove fueling because its expensive to fly the rigs around but Johnny Sponsor still can ignore the race in a 10 million dollar hospitality center. Don't forget "BEER BEER BEER" ("but not when you're driving, eh?") "BEER BEER BEER"
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Jul 16, 2016 23:33
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frankenbeans posted:Don't forget "BEER BEER BEER" ("but not when you're driving, eh?") "BEER BEER BEER" Bernie says, "Think before you drive"
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Jul 17, 2016 00:03
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Refuelling is poo poo. Sorry.
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frankenbeans posted:Don't forget "BEER BEER BEER" ("but not when you're driving, eh?") "BEER BEER BEER" still legitimately baffled by the idea that putting an alcohol logo on a motor vehicle somehow encourages people to drink and drive
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Whitey Ford posted:Kimi is Ferrari's last WDC China GP still makes me laugh https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KglbcTs0vWk
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It's strange to me that they didn't just give the cars some real ground effect bodywork, not just a slightly larger diffuser, for 2017. It worked wonders for CART, and if they're so adamant about speeding up the cars that'd be the best way, while making them less reliant on their more sensitive upper bodywork.
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Jul 17, 2016 00:44
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i see this every night when i close my eyes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uw-USwauS9s&t=90s
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How would bringing him in have prevented a suspension failure? Also, i didnt watch anything before the last third of '07. How did Newey go (i hear) from making the most unreliable cars to some of the most reliable ones?
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Jul 17, 2016 01:21
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He stopped working at McLaren
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The red bull cars have hardly been the pinnacle of reliability lately. Was it 05 or 06 where the Mercedes engines were blowing every time they had a long pit stop because their package was that marginal?
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MattD1zzl3 posted:How would bringing him in have prevented a suspension failure? His tyre was so badly flat-spotted that the vibrations shook the suspension apart. Pitting in > new tyre, no suspensionsplosion. Even on a regular flat-spot drivers have commented on the vibration seriously affecting their vision and experience of driving the car, I have no idea how he would've been able to keep it together for 20 laps. Cycling on cobble stones is hard enough. DaveP fucked around with this message at 02:01 on Jul 17, 2016 |
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wicka posted:still legitimately baffled by the idea that putting an alcohol logo on a motor vehicle somehow encourages people to drink and drive This.
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Yeh it's really not how modern marketing works. Today they try and implant a brand in someone's head, so when they see it in a shop amongst 20 other near identical items they pick that brand.
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learnincurve posted:Yeh it's really not how modern marketing works. Today they try and implant a brand in someone's head, so when they see it in a shop amongst 20 other near identical items they pick that brand. Welcome to Marketing 101
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GramCracker posted:Welcome to Marketing 101 Quite. Literally no one is going to be sitting at home watching F1 and then go "! I must go out immediately and buy a can of poo poo lager, chug it outside the shop and then drive home!"
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learnincurve posted:Quite. Literally no one is going to be sitting at home watching F1 and then go "! I must go out immediately and buy a can of poo poo lager, chug it outside the shop and then drive home!" it's not even that, it's the idea that seeing alcohol branding on a car makes you want to drink alcohol in a car. it's just silly. plus i can drive down the street and see a coors delivery truck with a coors logo on the side, so it's not like you'd actually be changing anything.
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To be honest I chalk that up more to a segment of society losing their poo poo over the existence of alcohol as opposed to any concern about drunk driving. I used to be a smoker and I didn't reach for the lighter every time I saw a Marlboro McLaren and I certainly don't reach for the bottle when I see a Martini Williams. Its all nonsense and moral panic brought on by parents looking to blame external forces because they were poo poo at parenting.
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I bought Pirelli tires for the first time ever specifically because of their Formula 1 involvement.
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Wirth1000 posted:I bought Pirelli tires for the first time ever specifically because of their Formula 1 involvement. So long as it wasn't for a motorbike you should be fine. No grip on the rear, gets a bit I don't want to be on this thing in the cold.
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I was going to bribe this European official with cash in a suitcase, but then I watched an F1 race and went with a Rolex instead
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It's raining hard and Moto3 racing business as usual.
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learnincurve posted:So long as it wasn't for a motorbike you should be fine. Also they pop for no reason and lose most of their bite after a couple of hundred kms. Funnily enough, my Pirelli motorcycle tyres replicated the F1 experience quite nicely.
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IanTheM posted:It's strange to me that they didn't just give the cars some real ground effect bodywork, not just a slightly larger diffuser, for 2017. It worked wonders for CART, and if they're so adamant about speeding up the cars that'd be the best way, while making them less reliant on their more sensitive upper bodywork. The problem with ground effect is that its effectiveness is drastically reduced the further away from the ground the car becomes. This isn't an issue on ovals but it becomes a very big issue when you go over kerbs
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Foxtrot_13 posted:The problem with ground effect is that its effectiveness is drastically reduced the further away from the ground the car becomes. This isn't an issue on ovals but it becomes a very big issue when you go over kerbs So youre saying ground effects would not only make for close, turbulence free racing but also naturally help enforce track limits, something the whole f1 world seems to be bitching about this week after Silverstone? MattD1zzl3 fucked around with this message at 13:54 on Jul 17, 2016 |
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wicka posted:it's not even that, it's the idea that seeing alcohol branding on a car makes you want to drink alcohol in a car. it's just silly. plus i can drive down the street and see a coors delivery truck with a coors logo on the side, so it's not like you'd actually be changing anything. Well, clearly some people felt there was cause for concern!
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1500quidporsche posted:I certainly don't reach for the bottle when I see a Martini Williams. Unlike most Williams fans.
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learnincurve posted:So long as it wasn't for a motorbike you should be fine. And yet the Diablo Rosso's are highly regarded tires in the motorcycling world.....?
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Wirth1000 posted:And yet the Diablo Rosso's are highly regarded tires in the motorcycling world.....? Are they now...http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Tyre/Pirelli/Diablo-Rosso.htm edit: Pirelli really do have a reputation for poor grip in the wet and cold. May not be applicable in the US or on the continent but these are the exact things riders in the UK prioritise. learnincurve fucked around with this message at 19:05 on Jul 17, 2016 |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EhbjtaNeIk Thought i'd throw this up since its been a year. One of the finest videos the BBC did on f1. I bet we'd have been getting the announcement of him starting for ferrari next year about this time.
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MattD1zzl3 posted:So youre saying ground effects would not only make for close, turbulence free racing but also naturally help enforce track limits, something the whole f1 world seems to be bitching about this week after Silverstone? If by enforcing track limits you mean making the tracks even narrower by punishing anyone who puts even a wheel outside of the white lines then yes it would.
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