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CharlesM posted:Is there a MSM that isn't sketchy? I think maybe right when they were brand new they could be trusted.
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Miata people crack me up. The MSM is by far the best Miata that Mazda ever put out of the factory and yet it gets no love at all and regularly sells for half the price of certain NA and NB editions, stock for stock.
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Oct 14, 2014 15:19
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It's loved by everyone at mnet and it's a classic example of a car looking excellent on paper.
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Oct 14, 2014 15:45
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Does the NB shift lever have a backwards bend? Changed the boots and I don't remember 3rd being this close to the centre console.
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Oct 14, 2014 15:58
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Edmund Honda posted:Does the NB shift lever have a backwards bend? I've done this - there should be a marking on the bare shifter to show which way is "up" (aka the front of the car). Uninstall and turn the shifter 180 degrees, then report back.
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Oct 14, 2014 16:08
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revmoo posted:Miata people crack me up. The MSM is by far the best Miata that Mazda ever put out of the factory and yet it gets no love at all and regularly sells for half the price of certain NA and NB editions, stock for stock. Don't people bitch because "the engine can't rev as high"? Even though it still makes more power? gently caress, I don't know. I've said in here before, a good engine with a mediocre turbo kit is better than the other way around like on the MSP. Quit hatin'.
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Oct 14, 2014 17:09
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I'd buy the poo poo out of an MSM at the right price, the overall factory package is nice and for an NB it looks bad rear end. Easily the best looking NB ever made. I'd actually like to get one with a blown motor, sell off the good turbo bits and put a K series in it 
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Oct 14, 2014 17:32
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Fucknag posted:Don't people bitch because "the engine can't rev as high"? Even though it still makes more power? gently caress, I don't know. Turbo doesn't spool until 4k, fuel cut is 6.5k, close ratio 6-speed, and a 4.1 rear end. It sounds good on paper.
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Oct 14, 2014 17:36
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Goober Peas posted:Uninstall and turn the shifter 180 degrees, then report back. (Thanks.)
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Oct 14, 2014 17:48
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My bone stock '93 makes a bit of a ... rattle on decel in gear. It's easier to hear with the top up but not super loud either way. Is this something to be concerned about?
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Oct 14, 2014 17:54
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Edmund Honda posted:Trip report: it's like ~1cm difference either way, why did they even bother engineering that. Jinba ittai, of course. On the MSM topic, I always heard they had heat soak issues because of an undersized intercooler.
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Oct 14, 2014 17:55
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A MIRACLE posted:My bone stock '93 makes a bit of a ... rattle on decel in gear. It's easier to hear with the top up but not super loud either way. Is this something to be concerned about? Does it happen at about the same RPM every time, say about 3500ish or so? My 95 would rattle subtly on decel as the RPMs dropped through that range and while I never figured it out I eliminated a number of things and I'm pretty sure it was an exhaust heat shield that would vibrate at a specific RPM frequency.
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Oct 14, 2014 18:13
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A MIRACLE posted:My bone stock '93 makes a bit of a ... rattle on decel in gear. It's easier to hear with the top up but not super loud either way. Is this something to be concerned about? If it's metallic, chances are it's a heatshield somewhere before the cat.
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Oct 14, 2014 18:14
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Okay cool. I'm glad it's not the differential or something. Although there is a little bit of a whine that I can hear revving indoors. I think I'm going to pick up that good win racing exhaust / cat / header package and check out the firewall then.
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Oct 14, 2014 18:19
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Phone posted:Turbo doesn't spool until 4k, fuel cut is 6.5k, close ratio 6-speed, and a 4.1 rear end. Ours was at full boost at 3000. The downpipe upgrade helped a bit but even before it wasn't really that bad there's plenty of power band. The idea behind the MSM is that you keep it "on the boil" and drive the piss out of it. It's a very fast car if consider the power and handling combination. Especially in relation to other Miatas which was really my point. It may not be the best car out there but it kicks the crap out of every other MX-5 that Mazda has pumped out. The fact that all the quirks are fixable makes it even better. I'm sure you could trade the MSM diff for any other ratio LSD in a second if you cared about the gear ratios. Personally I think the gearing fits the car perfectly. I'd get another one in a heartbeat and drop 1500 on go-faster parts and have a beast of a car. If you consider the full package: Bilstein suspension Leather seats (ok you really need the touring for this) Turbo Built tranny LSD Body kit Mazdaspeed bushings/mounts Random Mazdaspeed stuff _everywhere_ And then compare it to another MX-5. Again, not the best car but better than all the other Miatas by a extremely wide margin.
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Oct 14, 2014 18:35
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The MSMs are stupid fast in estreet autocross on the right track. The NAs and NBs can't keep up. But if the track is wrong for their gearing they seem to be done.
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Oct 14, 2014 18:46
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Edmund Honda posted:Trip report: it's like ~1cm difference either way, why did they even bother engineering that. This is the same thought I had when I accidentally flipped the crank trigger on backwards when doing the timing belt on my NB. It has maybe a 2mm dish to it at most but it's just enough where backwards = no crank signal = OH poo poo IT'S NOT STARTING WHAT DID I gently caress UP
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Oct 14, 2014 18:52
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revmoo posted:Miata people crack me up. The MSM is by far the best Miata that Mazda ever put out of the factory and yet it gets no love at all and regularly sells for half the price of certain NA and NB editions, stock for stock. wat e: lol, you're actually serious. MSMs are awful. The best MSMs out there are the ones with no MSM left under the hood. The ECU is horrible (bogging is an extremely common complaint, the only fix is dumping the ECU for a standalone), they spool late AND make crappy power, the 6500rpm rev limiter is awful, the "built tranny" has been proven to be no stronger than any other 6-speed, the factory wheels are boat anchors, I could go on. I'd never consider owning one, because all I'd want to do is rip the entire turbo/ECU setup out of it and replace it with proper aftermarket parts, and once you do that you're better off just buying a nice, low-miles SE 6sp car for thousands of dollars less and putting your own turbo system on it. In fact, that's exactly what I plan to do once my current race car sells. Loaded SE with 6-speed and ABS and add my own turbo bits and ECU. Savington fucked around with this message at 19:04 on Oct 14, 2014 |
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Oct 14, 2014 18:58
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Yeah half the problem of the MSM is cost, no way I'd pay what people are wanting for these things. I'd buy one for a reasonable price but I've never seen one reasonably priced because MSM FACTORY TURBO is worth an extra 4 to 5k apparently. Still is the best looking NB tho, love the paint colors too.
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Oct 14, 2014 19:30
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It's hard for me to explain to potential customers why the engine core charge for their MSM is $2000 when there are no significant differences between that motor and a normal '99-00 BP4W.
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Oct 14, 2014 19:52
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crutt posted:Local old guy offered me a 2000 miata ls with 130k miles for 3200. Looks good mechanically, but has a pretty gnarly dent behind the drivers door. I'm guessing if I can get it under 3k it will still be a good deal right? So the car has a softball size dent behind the drivers door, and hes been working on smoothing out the rear quarter and bumper. We drove it and it had a bad stumble/hesitation, felt better after 4k. Once it got warmed up it was a TEENSY bit better. He said I could take it for $3k. I told him I'd think about it. Blah.
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Oct 14, 2014 22:36
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revmoo posted:Miata people crack me up. The MSM is by far the best Miata that Mazda ever put out of the factory and yet it gets no love at all and regularly sells for half the price of certain NA and NB editions, stock for stock. I found one for a good price and it had 147K miles and the under the hood picture detailed the filthiest engine I'd ever seen in my life. On average MSMs sell for far more than most NBs.
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Oct 14, 2014 22:42
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revmoo posted:Miata people crack me up. The MSM is by far the best Miata that Mazda ever put out of the factory and yet it gets no love at all and regularly sells for half the price of certain NA and NB editions, stock for stock. 2004 MSM: http://iowacity.craigslist.org/cto/4659184590.html $14K An hour and a half drive away: http://desmoines.craigslist.org/cto/4676424562.html
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Oct 14, 2014 23:19
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Savington posted:It's hard for me to explain to potential customers why the engine core charge for their MSM is $2000 when there are no significant differences between that motor and a normal '99-00 BP4W. Haha holy poo poo. What's the core charge for a "regular" BP, maybe 800 bucks? That's crazy.
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IOwnCalculus posted:This is the same thought I had when I accidentally flipped the crank trigger on backwards when doing the timing belt on my NB. It has maybe a 2mm dish to it at most but it's just enough where backwards = no crank signal = OH poo poo IT'S NOT STARTING WHAT DID I gently caress UP HA, I did that too. Kinda did a skip-pop-skip. I realized it right away because I remember thinking "Meh, it's obvious which way it goes on." when I took it off. I felt like committing seppuku because a professional should know better. As far as the MSM goes, as soon as I first drove one I found myself wishing they had put in the 2.5 or 3.0 V6 like that test mule had. Still the best factory NA/NB though.
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Oct 15, 2014 04:14
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Savington posted:wat They were good, then some dbags in CA jacked up their PT classing.
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Savington why don't you just throw a TSE turbo kit on it?
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destructo posted:Savington why don't you just throw a TSE turbo kit on it?  that's cold
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Removed the CEL and Airbag light, finally no more blinking lights in the cluster! Also anyone know how to tell if a battery terminal is leaking? The positive terminal has been getting crazy amounts of corrosion, when I clean it off within two weeks it's covered again. An ase tech guy told me a terminal may be leaking or I have a draw in the car somewhere, kinda doubt there's a draw anywhere tho. [edit] Found out it was the moisture from the water jug wedged next to it go figure
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Any NC owners running 18 inch wheels? I only ask because I'm tempted to put my winter wheels from the MS^ (18" stock wheels) on the Miata for the season. They have the same bolt pattern and offset so I don't think this would be earth shattering. Thoughts?
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Oct 17, 2014 04:28
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IMO 18s are way too big and heavy for any miata, but then I have an NB with 15s 
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mobby_6kl posted:IMO 18s are way too big and heavy for any miata, but then I have an NB with 15s The stock NC wheels are 17, it's not too much of a difference really. And the car already looks like it has a monster truck suspension.
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Oct 17, 2014 04:39
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I've seen NCs with smaller than stock wheels, probably the way to go if you want less unsprung weight. I imagine the stock wheels are pretty heavy.
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leica posted:I've seen NCs with smaller than stock wheels, probably the way to go if you want less unsprung weight. I imagine the stock wheels are pretty heavy. Smaller is not an option. I already have the 18" winters for the MS6. Just wondered how bad of an idea it would be.
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Oct 17, 2014 04:55
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Driving your miata in the winter is a bad idea when you have other cars to drive.
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Oct 17, 2014 07:01
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leica posted:Driving your miata in the winter is a bad idea when you have other cars to drive. Just bouncing around ideas.
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Oct 17, 2014 07:09
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You have a beater Civic, buy snow tires for that and drive that for a winter beater. If you wanna keep the Miata nice you're gonna have to put it up for the winter.
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leica posted:You have a beater Civic, buy snow tires for that and drive that for a winter beater. I'm handing the Civic off to my sister shortly. I'll probably roll in the 6 again this year. Like I said, just bouncing around ideas.
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Miata winter driving isn't that bad EXCEPT that if a hillbilly in a pickup loses control on ice near you, you're not gonna make it.
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Phone posted:If it's metallic, chances are it's a heatshield somewhere before the cat. This. I played with hose clamps on mine for about a year. Each time I would fix it the sound would come back until finally no amount of hose clamps would quiet it down. Finally, I just cut the stock heatshield off the car and it is fixed for good. Warning, there is a fiberglass chop strand mat inside the heatshield so try not to be under it when you open it up.
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