supersnowman posted:

Putting strategic bombers 40-70km from the frontline will probably be a bet too risky for the Russians. The Ukrainians always notice when large bombers take off.

Hatebag posted:

oh ok. i didn't realize the fab-1500 had such a short range. guess that makes sense if it's just gliding.

DJJIB-DJDCT posted:

The Americans had placed an embargo on Canadian lumber during the softwood lumber dispute, as well as an embargo on Canadian beef, citing some beetles and mad cow, respectively, and both trade issues were resolved once we sent major combat forces to Afghanistan.

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America’s largest library association, which annually hands out prestigious literary prizes such as the John Newbery Medal for children’s literature, the Caldecott Medal for picture books for children, the Stonewall Award for LBGTQ+ books for young readers, and the Coretta Scott King award for African American authors and illustrators, has recently honored two authors with a track record of whitewashing Nazi collaborators.

This January, the American Library Association (ALA) published a list of Best Historical Materials for 2023, which includes Enemy Archives: Soviet Counterinsurgency Operations and the Ukrainian Nationalist Movement—Selections from the Secret Police Archives.

This compendium of Soviet documents was edited by Volodymyr Viatrovych and Lubomyr Luciuk. Viatrovych, who is currently a deputy in the Ukrainian parliament, is notorious for drafting laws glorifying Ukrainian Nazi collaborators and Holocaust perpetrators. He’s been condemned by Jewish organizations as well as the governments of Poland and Israel. Luciuk, a professor in Canada’s elite military college, has defended a Third Reich division accused of war crimes.

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Yet the selection of Enemy Archives places any commitment to avoid both-sides-ing WWII in doubt. One of the book’s editors has described soldiers from an SS division as “war victims,” while the other demanded that the Canadian parliament apologize for calling an SS veteran a Nazi.

In 2015, Kyiv triggered international headlines after passing laws declaring two World War II–era paramilitary groups—the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN) and its offshoot the Ukrainian Insurgent Army (UPA)—to be Ukrainian national heroes and making it illegal to deny that heroism. The OUN collaborated with the Nazis in massacring tens of thousands of Jews, while the UPA liquidated thousands of Jews and 70,000–100,000 Poles.

The laws institutionalizing the OUN/UPA cult across Ukraine were the brainchild of Volodymyr Viatrovych, who at the time headed the Ukrainian Institute of National Memory (UINM), a department in the federal government.

The legislation was only the beginning: Viatrovych’s systematic campaign transforming killers of Jews into freedom fighters became so endemic he was mentioned by name in the annual report on global antisemitism issued by Israel. The 2015 laws and the UINM’s whitewashing were condemned by the US Holocaust Memorial Museum (USHMM). Articles such as “How Ukraine’s New Memory Commissar Is Controlling the Nation’s Past” in The Nation and “The Historian Whitewashing Ukraine’s Past” in Foreign Policy exposed a pattern of distortion. In 2017, Viatrovych was barred from entering Poland.

When Israeli President Reuven Rivlin called out Ukraine’s Holocaust revisionism during a 2018 visit, Viatrovych attacked him for “spreading the Soviet myth about the OUN’s participation in the Holocaust,” (the OUN’s involvement is an established historical fact). And when Ukrainian Jewish leader Eduard Dolinsky warned of the institute’s excesses, Viatrovych accused him of claiming antisemitism in order to profit. These smears echoed long-standing racist tropes of Jews carrying water for the Kremlin and concocting false acts of antisemitism to make money.

Viatrovych, who was fired as the head of UINM by President Volodymyr Zelensky in 2019, is now a deputy in the Ukrainian parliament.

Viatrovych’s coeditor, Luciuk, is a professor at the Royal Military College of Canada—the country’s equivalent of West Point. Last year, he published an edited excerpt from Enemy Archives in the National Post, a major Canadian paper. The article described the OUN as having been maligned by the USSR, which “routinely portrayed members of this Ukrainian nationalist movement as war criminals, Nazi collaborators, fascists and so on, a trope regurgitated regularly by the Russian Federation.”

The piece made it sound as if the OUN’s collaboration with the Third Reich was Soviet propaganda, instead of established historical fact. The Simon Wiesenthal Center (SWC) denounced the National Post for providing “space to Lubomyr Luciuk who continues to spread Holocaust distortion and disinformation.”

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Luciuk has also vociferously defended the 14th Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS (1st Galician), commonly known as SS Galizien. This was a formation in the SS—the paramilitary arm of the Nazi Party and the chief perpetrator of the Holocaust.

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Luciuk has written numerous defenses of SS Galizien, stating that “they weren’t pro-Nazi, they weren’t anti-Semitic and they didn’t engage in war crimes.”

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(It must again be stated that the SS was literally the military wing of the Nazi Party.)

The annual Best Historical Materials list is published by the Reference and User Service Association, an ALA division. The 2023 list contains 12 titles, each with a brief review by a scholar. The Enemy Archives review is signed by University of Southern Mississippi professor Jennifer Brannock. Tellingly, her review states that the documents in the book “cover topics such as the Soviet claim that the Ukrainian underground promoted fascism and collaborated with the Nazis.”

OhFunny posted:

The accuracy drift probably doesn't matter to much. The FAB-500s are 1000 pounders with a blast range of over 800 feet.

Starsfan posted:

Apparently they will be unveiling a 3000 kg version of the glide bomb soon, experts are speculating that it will be roughly twice as devastating as the 1500 kg bomb they are currently using.

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Luciuk has written numerous defenses of SS Galizien, stating that “they weren’t pro-Nazi, they weren’t anti-Semitic and they didn’t engage in war crimes.”

BadOptics posted:

mlmp08 posted:

reports have been that they aren’t very accurate but are large and dripped in large quantities.

BearsBearsBears posted:

We're so far past the myth of the clean Wehrmact that we're now into the myth of the clean Waffen-SS.

BearsBearsBears posted:

We're so far past the myth of the clean Wehrmact that we're now into the myth of the clean Waffen-SS.

RandolphCarter posted:

rapidly approaching clean hitler.

RandolphCarter posted:

rapidly approaching clean hitler.

BearsBearsBears posted:

I don't think we'll have a clean Hitler because somebody needs to be blamed, Hitler alone will be blamed for all the crimes of Nazi Germany. I think we will have a Myth of the clean Nazi High Command though, we're honestly most of the way there already.

BearsBearsBears posted:

I don't think we'll have a clean Hitler because somebody needs to be blamed, Hitler alone will be blamed for all the crimes of Nazi Germany. I think we will have a Myth of the clean Nazi High Command though, we're honestly most of the way there already.

OctaMurk posted:

Stalin can be blamed

Officer Sandvich posted:

https://www.thenation.com/article/culture/american-library-association-ukrainian-nazis/

Why Is the American Library Association Whitewashing the History of Ukrainian Nazis?

In honoring a book depicting Ukrainian volunteers in the Waffen SS as heroes and patriots, the group reveals historical ignorance—or indifference to antisemitism.

DJJIB-DJDCT posted:

The Americans had placed an embargo on Canadian lumber during the softwood lumber dispute, as well as an embargo on Canadian beef, citing some beetles and mad cow, respectively, and both trade issues were resolved once we sent major combat forces to Afghanistan.

BadOptics posted:

"Look, if Hitler had focused on the *real* enemy, the red-brown Stalinists instead of the Jews, he could have had a positive impact on mid-20th century politics." - Liberals in like 2 years.

lobster shirt posted:

cleanliness is next to hitlerness

DJJIB-DJDCT posted:

and the rest of it is pretty loony tunes as well

DJJIB-DJDCT posted:

They’re never going to take away his tenure either.

Ardennes posted:

Anyway, supposedly according to a source from the AFU's 47th brigade, the AFU's frontline brigades are about 40% staffed and the army needs about 100k of forces up front, another 100k in reserve, and then 150k to support eventual demobilization. If any of that is true, I could see why the Russians would want to sit back if Ukraine's force is being chewed up to that extent and at a certain point wouldn't be able to sustain a real front line.

Also, I think mobilizing civilians en masse is going to be easier said than done.

RandolphCarter posted:

rapidly approaching clean hitler.

BearsBearsBears posted:

We're so far past the myth of the clean Wehrmact that we're now into the myth of the clean Waffen-SS.

Skaffen-Amtiskaw posted:

Being 4-years-old and getting this off your Ukrainian grandparent as an action figure when you wanted superheroes.

Al-Saqr posted:

How bad is it for the ukranians that the russians are close to taking Chasiv Yar.

Al-Saqr posted:

How bad is it for the ukranians that the russians are close to taking Chasiv Yar.