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Skaffen-Amtiskaw: Jun 24, 2023

West provoked Ukraine war, Nigel Farage says https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cldd44zv3kpo

Oh man, I love Farage now.

# ? Jun 21, 2024 18:58

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# ? Jun 27, 2024 18:34

super sweet best pal: Nov 18, 2009

Cao Ni Ma posted:

Fed one last time

# ? Jun 21, 2024 19:08

supersnowman: Oct 3, 2012

CN CREW-VESSEL posted:

That would be guncotton, and would be more useful than nothing.

Didn't they name the lack of guncotton as reason for some difficulties to produce more shells a few month ago?

# ? Jun 21, 2024 19:12

1stGear: Jan 16, 2010; Here's to the new us.

Skaffen-Amtiskaw posted:

West provoked Ukraine war, Nigel Farage says https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cldd44zv3kpo

Oh man, I love Farage now.

you do not, in fact, gotta hand it to ukip

# ? Jun 21, 2024 19:14

super sweet best pal: Nov 18, 2009

1stGear posted:

you do not, in fact, gotta hand it to ukip

Worst Person You Know, etc

# ? Jun 21, 2024 19:48

Truga: May 4, 2014; Lipstick Apathy

1stGear posted:

you do not, in fact, gotta hand it to ukip

# ? Jun 21, 2024 19:50

tristeham: Jul 31, 2022

1stGear posted:

you do not, in fact, gotta hand it to ukip

i am. what are you going to do about it bitch

# ? Jun 21, 2024 19:56

Megamissen: Jul 19, 2022; any post can be a kannapost
if you want it to be

tristeham posted:

i am. what are you going to do about it bitch

depends on what you are handing them

# ? Jun 21, 2024 19:57

DaysBefore: Jan 24, 2019; Miss u...

Megamissen posted:

depends on what you are handing them

Handing him the keys to the Prime Minister's house because Farage ftw

# ? Jun 21, 2024 20:00

FirstnameLastname: Jul 10, 2022

lobster shirt posted:

who needs guncotton when we have gun kata

# ? Jun 21, 2024 20:04

bedpan: Apr 23, 2008

brb, busy running out of explosives that had their production processes totally solved in the early 20th century

# ? Jun 21, 2024 20:04

mila kunis: Jun 10, 2011

a busted flush is right twice a day

# ? Jun 21, 2024 20:08

Starsfan: Sep 29, 2007; This is what happens when you disrespect Cam Neely

I still think it was a big missed opportunity not to have Russia in Euro 2024.. can you even imagine how powerful a moment it would have been if those two could have met in the tournament?

# ? Jun 21, 2024 20:09

Cerebral Bore: Apr 21, 2010; Fun Shoe

Megamissen posted:

depends on what you are handing them

i understand that the traditional thing is a milkshake

# ? Jun 21, 2024 20:17

genericnick: Dec 26, 2012

Would have been good content

# ? Jun 21, 2024 20:18

CN CREW-VESSEL: Feb 1, 2024; 敌人磨刀我们也磨刀

supersnowman posted:

Didn't they name the lack of guncotton as reason for some difficulties to produce more shells a few month ago?

Oh, for propellant? Possibly. It's not hard to make, it's just finely ground wood pulp soaked in nitric acid and sulfuric acid. Only, you have to make sure it's very, very pure, or you have ships blowing up at anchor, and even then all propellants are unstable and degrade fairly quickly. Which means there couldn't be Cold War stockpiles to fall back on, which means the supply is only what's being produced now... by the post-1991 MIC...

e: I'm pretty sure Russia was also the main exporter of lumber for wood pulp to Europe.

# ? Jun 21, 2024 20:18

Officer Sandvich: Feb 14, 2010

https://theins.ru/en/politics/272467

Where there's a will there's a way: How Russia’s red lines are (not) limiting the course of the war in Ukraine

quote:

1. The red lines of the Ukraine war

The war in Ukraine is the largest conflict in Europe since World War II, with military killed and wounded topping 500,000, the number of refugees exceeding 6 million, economic damage approaching an estimated $500 billion, and tens of thousands of civilians falling victim to Russia's constant violations of the rules of war. However, considering the fact that the aggressor country possesses nuclear weapons and has been threatening to use them from the onset of the conflict, the casualty count could be many times greater if the war truly were to spiral out of control. As a consequence, Kyiv's allies have chosen to tread lightly, trying to protect Ukraine on the one hand while preventing nuclear escalation on the other. One of Moscow’s main instruments of deterrence is the use of so-called “red lines” — verbal statements purportedly indicating which Western actions decision-makers in the Kremlin deem to be intolerable.

Putin declared his red lines at the very beginning of the war, announcing on Feb. 24, 2022:

“Whoever tries to interfere with us, or worse, to threaten our country and our people, should know that Russia's response will be immediate and will bring about consequences that you have never faced before in your history.”

His rhetoric was difficult to misinterpret: the Russian president was saying that if Western countries entered the war on the Ukrainian side, Russia was prepared to respond with nuclear weapons. But although Putin declared from the outset his readiness for the highest possible escalation, he did not define what he considered to be a “threat to the country,” reserving the right to judge in each individual case whether the purported red line had been crossed.

The West has adopted a different approach. While no public statements have been made about what the reaction to Russian nuclear use might be, Polish Minister of Foreign Affairs Radoslaw Sikorski recently said that the Kremlin had received a signal: if Russia were to use nuclear weapons in Ukraine or to attack a NATO country using conventional means, all Russian military infrastructure would be destroyed using conventional (that is, non-nuclear) means. American war games conducted in the years before Russia’s full-scale invasion suggest that such a Western response to Russian nuclear use has been well thought through. By using conventional weapons to respond to a nuclear attack, NATO would be able to demonstrate its resolve while retaining the potential to escalate further in the event that the Russian side launched a second nuclear strike. Such a nuanced approach makes NATO’s threatened response much more credible, as it is entirely plausible that the West is prepared to strike Russian military infrastructure with conventional weapons, counting on the Kremlin not daring to respond with an all-out nuclear attack lest it result in a retaliatory nuclear strike on Russia.

But drawing lines is only the first step. The hard part is convincing your opponent you are ready to carry out the threat. This is where the sides have chosen different strategies. Putin wanted the West to perceive him as a man who had little regard for the costs and was ready to die in a nuclear war if he had to, destroying the whole country along with him. He borrowed this strategy from the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea — the northern one — whose leaders have been successfully exploiting such a strategy for decades while doing little more than occasionally launching ballistic missiles on holidays. Creating a believable madman image was not a difficult task for Putin, as nuclear threats have been a constant in his speeches — and in Kremlin-controlled propagandist talk shows — for years. Russia's strengthening military dictatorship has left no doubt that the president, as the supreme commander-in-chief, is its sole decision-maker, and Putin's interviews, which feature lengthy lectures on “alternative history” and suggestions that Russians are ready to sacrifice themselves and “go to paradise like martyrs,” have made it clear that counting on the Russian leader’s sanity would be too risky.

The rhetoric and behavior of Western leaders are more constrained, as their voters may not be interested in the prospect of making a nuclear sacrifice for the sake of some supposed greater good. As a result, Ukraine and NATO countries have chosen a different tactic, known in conflict studies as “salami slicing” (which was made famous by the dark comedy “Dr. Strangelove,” a film Putin is known to have watched). The essence of the strategy is to escalate the situation progressively, in small steps, acting on the assumption that the enemy will not initiate a full-scale nuclear clash as the direct result of any individual step. NATO’s response to the Russian invasion of Ukraine offers a case study.

2. How Ukraine and NATO tested Russia’s red lines

The Russian invasion plan of Feb. 24, 2022, relied on the assumption that special operations forces would quickly succeed in capturing or eliminating the Ukrainian government, that Ukrainian military and volunteer forces would not put up significant resistance to Russia proclaiming its proxies as the legitimate rulers in Kyiv, and that Russian troops would therefore be able to take control of the country without a fight — and to do so before the West was even able to coordinate a response. However, after the Russian airborne landing at Hostomel airport failed, Russian troops elsewhere in Ukraine found themselves in a fierce battle with a Ukrainian military whose partners in Washington had widely shared the intercepted Russian invasion plan months in advance. Still, Russia’s numerical advantage was so enormous that it was clear Ukraine would not last long without material assistance from its Western allies, who in addition to fears of “escalation” worried that any high-tech systems sent to Ukraine might eventually end up being captured by Russian forces.

Despite Western shipments of man-portable anti-tank and anti-aircraft weapons in the month leading up to the Russian invasion, the first weeks of the full-scale war saw Ukraine make do largely with its own willpower and resources — an effort aided to no small extent by the catastrophic ineptitude its Russian adversary demonstrated when suddenly faced with the prospect of a real war. This stage turned out to be crucial for the Western allies: contrary to the worst-case scenarios presented by their intelligence services, Ukraine’s regular military had proven capable of sustaining the fight without turning solely to the use of guerilla tactics. Suddenly, the provision of larger, more sophisticated military support warranted a serious discussion.

At first, military assistance was minimal. On Feb. 27, 2022, Germany signed off on the delivery of nine howitzers from Estonia, and the United States transferred 200 more Stinger man-portable air defense systems within the framework of previously approved assistance. On Feb. 28, Poland transferred 100 mortars with ammunition and began discussing the transfer of several of its fighter and attack aircraft to Ukraine. France sent arms worth €120 million, including Milan and Javelin anti-tank systems and Mistral MANPADS. Many other countries sent similar weapons: grenade launchers, mortars, MANPADS, shells, and body armor. All of this was certainly useful but could not turn the tide of hostilities.

Only in late March 2022, when it became clear that Russian troops had failed to take Kyiv and the AFU had launched a counteroffensive, did the Western allies ramp up their support. In April 2022, Ukraine started receiving heavy artillery, armored personnel carriers, and Czech T-72M1 tanks. The U.S. finally declared its readiness to supply HIMARS multiple rocket launchers, although the first modest batch of just four HIMARS would not reach Ukraine until June of that year. German tank manufacturer Leopard also volunteered to start deliveries to Ukraine, but the German government did not dare to cross this red line at that time.

Similarly, the Western countries did not dare to introduce a “no-fly zone” over Ukraine, as that would have required NATO forces to involve themselves directly in the war by shooting down Russian aircraft over Ukrainian territory. However, the effectiveness of Ukrainian air defense largely resolved the issue, and Russian jets have mostly stopped flying deep into Ukrainian territory due to the risk of being shot down by Ukrainian defenses.

As Ukraine demonstrated its capacity to plan and conduct large-scale counteroffensive operations, the flow of Western weapons only increased. In the fall of 2022, Germany transferred its multiple rocket launchers to Ukraine; the U.S. sent more HIMARS, more howitzers, and 1,000 more Javelin anti-tank systems; and several European countries followed suit with artillery systems and armored vehicles. One by one, nearly all Western countries eventually joined the military assistance effort. Seeing that none of their peers had suffered any catastrophic consequences, they grew increasingly bold in supplying Ukraine with state-of-the-art weapons.

In October 2022, the Ukrainians tested a new red line, partially blowing up the Kerch Bridge, the only road connecting occupied Crimea to mainland Russia and a prestige project near and dear to Putin’s heart. Once again, Russia did nothing, and the entire peninsula has now become a constant target of Ukrainian attacks. Whereas before the full-scale invasion no one thought Ukraine might try to regain control of the peninsula by force, in the run-up to Ukraine’s counteroffensive of 2023 such plans were under serious consideration. By May 2023, the red line drawn in 2022 had shifted to Russia's internationally recognized borders, making Crimea and Donbas accepted targets for the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

In 2023, the allies tested more red lines. February saw Germany agree to provide Ukraine with Leopard tanks, which served as a symbol of Germany’s full commitment to its obligations to Ukraine, even if the Leopards proved incapable of providing a decisive advantage on the battlefield. In May 2023, Ukraine delivered its first blow to Moscow directly, when several drones crashed into the Kremlin itself. Although the Ukrainian UAVs did not cause any serious damage, the psychological effect was tremendous: for the first time in the war, residents of the Russian capital realized that they, too, could find themselves trapped in a war zone. Later, drone raids on Moscow would become a regular occurrence, and the damage from their strikes would cease to be purely symbolic. Putin struggled to find an adequate response to this escalation, as Russian missiles had been hitting Ukraine's residential areas since day one of the full-scale invasion. When faced with strikes on the Russian homeland, there was simply nothing in the Kremlin's arsenal Putin could turn to as a means of escalation — except, of course, to nuclear weapons.

Observing these developments, Ukraine's Western partners yielded to the pressure of public opinion and in August 2023 agreed to supply Ukraine with F-16 fighters (understanding that it would still take months to train Ukrainian pilots to use them). Moreover, last September, Russian troops could feel the enemy crossing another important red line, as Ukraine began the systematic use of long-range cruise missiles. At first, they targeted Crimea, with the first British Storm Shadow hitting its mark last September. In October, Ukraine received ATACMS missiles. After that, Crimea lost its former strategic significance, as all Russian military facilities on the peninsula became easy targets. Russia was compelled to move its Black Sea Fleet from Sevastopol to the southern port of Novorossiysk to keep it safe from the naval drones developed by Ukraine.

The transfer of long-range missiles came so late precisely because, in the first year of the war, Western countries feared that strikes on Crimea could lead to an uncontrollable escalation of the conflict. Once this taboo was broken, Ukraine's Western allies maintained only the last red line, refusing to allow the use of their missiles for strikes against internationally recognized Russian territory. Ukraine had long been carrying out sabotage missions inside Russia, attacking oil refineries and blowing up military warehouses with drones (again, Russia did nothing in response). Still, the West refused to approve of Ukraine responding with direct missile strikes, even though Russia had been launching missile strikes against Ukrainian military and civilian targets over the entire course of the full-scale war. Who knows how long this self-imposed Western red line would have lasted had Putin not come up with the idea of creating a “sanitary zone” near the Russian border in Ukraine’s Kharkiv Oblast? After Russian troops launched an offensive from their territory, taking advantage of Ukraine's inability to hit rear areas with high-precision Western weapons, the Western ban was finally lifted.

This leaves the last of Putin's red lines: the deployment of active-duty NATO troops to Ukraine. NATO instructors have, of course, trained Ukrainian troops on the territory of NATO countries, but now French President Emmanuel Macron appears to be seriously exploring the possibility that trainers could be sent to Ukraine itself. Even if they do not take part in hostilities, the presence of NATO troops in Ukraine could drastically boost the AFU’s combat effectiveness. This red line also has a symbolic importance, precisely because it is the last one before the full participation of NATO armies in the war becomes a real possibility.

3. Red lines and military strategies

According to some analysts, Putin made a strategic mistake when, at the start of the invasion, he immediately and publicly labeled Western involvement in the conflict a red line beyond which catastrophic consequences were inevitable. Politicians in general try not to publicly mark red lines, notes Branislav L. Slantchev, professor at the University of California, San Diego, and a specialist in military coercion, intrawar negotiations, and game theory analysis of war.

“First, the state declaring the red lines does not want to be in a position where it would be forced to respond just because the red line was crossed. It always wants to retain freedom of action to decide on the best course under the circumstances. Second, you do not want to corner the opponent. By making public declarations, them not crossing the line can be attributed to the declaration, and so is seen as a weakness. This might give the opponent extra incentive to cross it just to avoid that inference. This is a situation that neither side would want. That’s why real red lines are communicated privately.”

As Nobel laureate Thomas Schelling noted in his classic work “The Strategy of Conflict,” for the enemy to believe that your threat is real, they must see that you have already cut off your escape routes and are bound by the necessity of carrying it out, even if you harm yourself in the process. For example, by accelerating hard in a car, you cause those moving in the opposite direction to swerve because they realize you can't stop. This may have been Putin's gamble when he publicly announced his plan to take over all of Ukraine, cutting off his path to any intermediate solutions and thereby making it useless for the West to pressure him. His threat sounded even more credible considering that, as a dictator, Putin could afford to ignore the potential costs of risking hundreds of thousands of lives of his fellow citizens.

Putin's gamble could have paid off had he managed to seize Ukraine in the first days of the full-scale war, but as the fighting dragged on, several problems arose at once. First, the horrors of the unfolding humanitarian catastrophe awakened the Western general public, which demanded that their leaders intervene. Second, the Western allies had plenty of time to coordinate and start acting together. This poses a huge challenge for Putin: he can attempt to intimidate one, maybe a handful of countries, but no one will believe that he can take on the entire world, as he simply does not possess the resources to do so.

Consequently, as soon as one country tests yet another red line, other allies immediately muster up the courage to follow suit. As Slanchev notes:

“Most countries would not be the first to supply advanced weapons systems. Germany is a good example of this – they wait for the U.S. to take the lead, just like we did with the tanks, symbolic as that lead was. Others, like the UK and the Netherlands, try to prod the U.S. into doing more by taking the first step themselves, hoping that this would make it easier politically for the U.S. to do it.”

Every single step taken by the West changes the status quo so slightly that it deprives Putin of the political justification for nuclear war, and thus, in full accordance with the “salami-slicing strategy,” the allies are crossing Russia’s red lines one by one. Importantly, Western allies take some of the steps only as retaliatory measures. For instance, deliveries of the first long-range versions of ATACMS were agreed upon only after the Kremlin ignored the warning not to use North Korean ballistic missiles on Ukrainian territory, and missile strikes on Russian territory were not authorized until Russia launched its shelling offensive on Kharkiv Oblast.

Realizing that the West is paralyzed by the fear of nuclear war, Kyiv is doing all it can to prove that Putin's threats are a bluff. It could have been to that end that Ukrainian drones recently attacked several facilities related to the combat control system of Russia’s strategic nuclear forces (SNF):

-The receiving part of the 29B6 Konteyner (Container) over-the-horizon radar station in Mordovia
-The Voronezh-DM over-the-horizon radar in Armavir
-The Voronezh-M over-the-horizon radar near Orsk.

All of the above facilities are part of Russia’s early warning system, SPRN — one of the key elements of its Strategic Nuclear Forces. Each of these attacks formally fits the criteria for retaliatory use of nuclear weapons by Russia. The U.S. administration has expressed concern about Ukraine's attempts to damage Russian SPRN stations, which play no role in the Ukraine war. However, these attacks have had a psychological effect: if Russia does not react to strikes on nuclear facilities, there is no need to fear that strikes on military airfields in the Belgorod region may trigger nuclear war.

# ? Jun 21, 2024 21:03

Regarde Aduck: Oct 19, 2012; c l o u d k i t t e n; Grimey Drawer

because Putin hasn't murdered the entire planet, it shows just how much of an insane madman he is. We here at western media group would have wiped out the world 50 times over while democratically masturbating our tiny little penises into mangled nubs

# ? Jun 21, 2024 21:06

Officer Sandvich: Feb 14, 2010

Officer Sandvich posted:

https://theins.ru/en/politics/272467

Where there's a will there's a way: How Russia’s red lines are (not) limiting the course of the war in Ukraine]

U.S. restrictions put key Russian air bases out of firing range, officials say

Hmmm...

# ? Jun 21, 2024 21:11

Nix Panicus: Feb 25, 2007

We keep taunting the guy with nukes because hes the crazy one and we're perfectly sane

# ? Jun 21, 2024 21:11

Femur: Jan 10, 2004; I REALLY NEED TO SHUT THE FUCK UP

thats what you do with nerds

# ? Jun 21, 2024 21:29

Testicular Torque Wrench: Apr 14, 2016; yeet

Bohemian Nights posted:

They're really good at producing good optics

# ? Jun 21, 2024 21:45

Testicular Torque Wrench: Apr 14, 2016; yeet

Because the grizzly bear did not wake up when I poked it, surely the only logical next step is to slap it. Genius.

# ? Jun 21, 2024 22:03

RussianRoulette: Jul 27, 2003; Keep loaded pastries out of reach of children.

Delta-Wye posted:

lol

can anyone read the text on the right? I'm curious but the angle and quality is too rough for machine translation sadly

"You look out from the stone
in silence.
And your death is impossible to believe.
Forgive us, Sasha,
that you could not find reprieve.
Forgive, Forgive, Forgive"

# ? Jun 21, 2024 22:36

Delta-Wye: Sep 29, 2005

RussianRoulette posted:

"You look out from the stone
in silence.
And your death is impossible to believe.
Forgive us, Sasha,
that you could not find reprieve.
Forgive, Forgive, Forgive"

solid username/post, thanks

at least hes got a nice samsung and not some viewsonic trash :cheers:

# ? Jun 21, 2024 22:50

KIM JONG TRILL: Nov 29, 2006; GIN AND JUCHE

Delta-Wye posted:

sippin on that gin and juche

laaaaaid back

# ? Jun 21, 2024 23:18

supersnowman: Oct 3, 2012

RussianRoulette posted:

"You look out from the stone
in silence.
And your death is impossible to believe.
Forgive us, Sasha,
that you could not find reprieve.
Forgive, Forgive, Forgive"

Ain't nobody forgivin' in Dota.

# ? Jun 22, 2024 00:08

Digital Jedi: May 28, 2007; Fallen Rib

mila kunis posted:

F

# ? Jun 22, 2024 00:11

Regarde Aduck: Oct 19, 2012; c l o u d k i t t e n; Grimey Drawer

Farage is a little weasel and there's no way he isn't working for the state in some capacity. Pretty sure him agreeing with Putin is just to poison the well even more. It's why the right was allowed to occupy the anti-war position. To side with Russia is to be 'right wing'. If you're 'leftist' you have shares in Lockheed martin and do great amount of mental damage watching war snuff. Lol at anyone that thinks Farage is a rogue element 'working for Russia'.

We know what the west does to people that get in the way. We saw it with BLM. They 'suicide' by shooting the back of their own head and then putting their own corpse in the boot of a car and set themselves on fire.

# ? Jun 22, 2024 00:16

Skaffen-Amtiskaw: Jun 24, 2023

Oh yeah? Next you'll tell me ER or Just Stop Oil are some psyop like you're a crazy conspiratorial loon. I tells ya.

# ? Jun 22, 2024 00:20

fizziesty: Jun 22, 2024

Source: BBC

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c800k21gxpwo

Ukrainian unit says frontline fighting 'difficult'
13 hours ago
By Jemma Crew & Matt Murphy,
BBC News

Fighting around a strategic town in eastern Ukraine has become "extremely difficult", according to a Ukrainian military unit redeployed to defend it.

Officials from Ukraine's 24th Mechanized Brigade said they have been sent to the town of Chasiv Yar, as Russia continues to launch "mass frontal attacks" on the key settlement.

Chasiv Yar sits to the west of Bakhmut and has been the focus of intense Russian attacks since February, after nearby Avdiivka fell to Moscow's forces.

The deployment comes as Moscow said it had shot down more than 100 Ukrainian drones in parts of Russia and occupied Crimea overnight, with officials saying one person was killed in the attack.

Russia's advance in the Donbas has been steadily gaining momentum since the beginning of 2024, with Kyiv's under-resourced forces struggling to hold the line.

When Russia launched its full-scale invasion in February 2022, its declared goal was to seize the entire Donbas region, made up of Donetsk and Luhansk.

Moscow's forces seem to have focussed their recent attacks on Chasiv Yar, which had a pre-war population of around 12,000 people. Losing the hilltop town would make Ukrainian cities in Donbas even more vulnerable to Russian attack.

According to the Institute for the Study of War (ISW), Russian capture of Chasiv Yar would be �operationally significant�. It would give Moscow's forces favourable positions from which to launch offensives against Kostyantynivka and Druzhkivka, cities that form the southern portion of a Ukrainian defensive belt.

Since dawn on Friday, Russia has made three attempts to approach troops near Chasiv Yar and Klishchiivka, Ukraine�s General Staff said in an operational update.

The 24th Mechanized Brigade, which has been redeployed to Chasiv Yar, said on Thursday evening: "The situation in and around the town is extremely difficult."

"The enemy is constantly organising massive frontal assaults, and also trying to bypass the settlement from the north and south.� It added that Russian forces were �mercilessly shelling� the area.

Ukraine's setbacks over the past several months have seen the US forced to re-evaluate its position on the use of donated weapons against Russian territory.

The Pentagon granted permission to Kyiv's forces to launch US-supplied weapons at military targets in Russia anywhere across the border - not just in Russian territory near to Kharkiv, in eastern Ukraine.

The authorisation was given by President Joe Biden last month, with officials at the time saying it only applied to targets near the city. The Pentagon has now said it is not limited to areas near Kharkiv...

# ? Jun 22, 2024 00:58

Dreylad: Jun 19, 2001

CN CREW-VESSEL posted:

Well yeah, because you don't half rear end conscription if you're really fighting a total war against a genocidal enemy.

The Ukrainian framing of the war has never made sense. loving tax credits? More privatization of essential industry?

Yeah it's jarring when we're still barely within living memory of total mobilization.

# ? Jun 22, 2024 01:35

Some Guy TT: Aug 30, 2011

so im watching jon oliver talk about project 2025 and he mentioned the first trump impeachment and how he was doing an impoundment on ukraine aid since congress voted for ukraine aid

now maybe this is just a matter of search engines sucking now but im having a surprisingly great deal of difficulty figuring out what the law congress passed in 2019 in regard to ukraine aid actually was like no one says what the name of the law is so i can look it up

i did notice that some articles mention that 150 million dollars worth of the 400 million dollars was actually state department money with the rest of it coming from the pentagon but even these articles dont explain how and why this money was allotted in the first place like was there actually a ukraine foreign aid bill or was it just a give the pentagon a bunch of money to do whatever with bill

# ? Jun 22, 2024 01:56

Nix Panicus: Feb 25, 2007

Project 2025 is Agenda 21 for libs

# ? Jun 22, 2024 02:42

Bohemian Nights: Jul 14, 2006; When I wake up,
I look into the mirror
I can see a clearer, vision
I should start living today; Clapping Larry

Haha oh my, this is so fukken dumb

https://youtube.com/shorts/x-kimZnuVkI?si=QIn1LNToism46HHx

~ best buds ~

# ? Jun 22, 2024 08:47

Bohemian Nights: Jul 14, 2006; When I wake up,
I look into the mirror
I can see a clearer, vision
I should start living today; Clapping Larry

kim all texting putin on the ride back to the palace, still starry eyed from a wild few days with his new bestest pal

"Hallo Kumpel!! danke für eine schöne Woche, ich hoffe wir sehen uns bald wieder 😁😁☺️"

# ? Jun 22, 2024 08:50

stephenthinkpad: Jan 2, 2020

https://x.com/MarioNawfal/status/1803506572448112836?t=aV3rIyMbP0JpkaKlpDBtOQ&s=19

tween posted:

Putin has arrived in Vietnam for the first time since 2017.

The visit follows his trip to North Korea, where he signed a pact with Kim for mutual aid and support.

The U.S. Embassy in Hanoi has sharply rebuked the visit.

"Putin’s visit underscores Russia’s increasing desperation.”

https://x.com/ivan_8848/status/1803698775443071485?t=JsgKKgr04t3wENUquK0tvA&s=19

Okay Putin, do Cuba next.

# ? Jun 22, 2024 09:03